Is there a way to revert to 7 after 30 days has expired?

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 10:01:29 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 04:19:35 -0500, Paul wrote:


Do you know how long it takes to do Windows Update
after a clean install of W7 ?

Doing a clean install now is no fun at all. It's torture.

Paul

You don't have to watch. I find something else to do at the same time.



As far as I'm concerned, it *is* torture, but it has nothing to do
with watching. You have to restore all your data backups, you have to
reinstall all your programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and
application updates, you have to locate and install all the needed
drivers for your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your
apps to work the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: do you have or can you find all the
drivers you need? can you find all your application CDs? Can you find
all the needed installation codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you
may have installed to make everything work the way you like?

On 1/30/2016 11:23 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, it *is* torture, but it has nothing to do
with watching. You have to restore all your data backups, you have to
reinstall all your programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and
application updates, you have to locate and install all the needed
drivers for your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your
apps to work the way you're comfortable with.

That's why you should keep yourself a PERSONAL backup of all these
programs and drivers. Sometimes these items might disappear from the web.


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On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:19:06 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:35:04 -0800, mike wrote:

On 1/29/2016 10:21 PM, ...winston? wrote:
Paul wrote:

Jesus, doesn't anyone make backups any more ? :-)

Paul
Did the majority ever ?

The way windows comes on the new PC, many people have no place
to put a backup, even if they wanted to.
Takes some planning and a modification of the partitions
to make backups quick and easy without buying external drives.


Anyone who backs up to an internal drive is playing with fire. The
only good ways to back up are to external devices or to the "cloud."
Backup to anything else leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of
the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: severe
power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of
the computer.

My worst backup disaster was backing up a mainframe distributed system
which was faulty! When I realised there was a fault I recovered the
system from the backup. AS the backup also had the same fault it did
nothing.

Fortunately there was a backup on one HD. It took about half a day to
recover the whole system. In retrospect I could have fixed the fault a
lot faster!

Backups aren't always the way to go.

Steve

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On 30/01/2016 16:19, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:35:04 -0800, mike wrote:

On 1/29/2016 10:21 PM, ...winston? wrote:
Paul wrote:

Jesus, doesn't anyone make backups any more ? :-)

Paul
Did the majority ever ?

The way windows comes on the new PC, many people have no place
to put a backup, even if they wanted to.
Takes some planning and a modification of the partitions
to make backups quick and easy without buying external drives.


Anyone who backs up to an internal drive is playing with fire. The
only good ways to back up are to external devices or to the "cloud."
Backup to anything else leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of
the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: severe
power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of
the computer.

I guess the internal drive can be handy for frequent unattended backups
and suchlike. If you backup every day at 7 am, you can't be positive the
external hdd is attached. Later on you can copy everything to an
external device.

On 30/01/2016 16:00, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

In FF, a FF account would sync your add-ons and settings, so you'll find
them when you install FF again on the same PC or even another device.
"Synchronize your bookmarks, history, tabs, passwords, add-ons, and
preferences across all your devices."

I don't use the sync feature, and I don't store passwords in my Firefox.
I have used about:config to auto-export my bookmarks to a HTML file (the
old way).

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/929746

Anyway, I agree it's quite time-consuming to reinstall Window$ and all
needed programs. But it's worth the time to do it annually, as a way to
guarantee a clean system.

Agree. Besides, you might end up realizing you don't really need some of
the programs you had installed in the past!

On 30/01/2016 16:23, Ken Blake wrote:
[...]
you have to recustomize Windows

PC Settings - Accounts - Sync your settings
might help, if you use a microsoft account.
http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/...2Od8JZMQOr.png

On 30/01/2016 16:27, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 11:23 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, it *is* torture, but it has nothing to do
with watching. You have to restore all your data backups, you have to
reinstall all your programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and
application updates, you have to locate and install all the needed
drivers for your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your
apps to work the way you're comfortable with.

That's why you should keep yourself a PERSONAL backup of all these
programs and drivers. Sometimes these items might disappear from the web.

So I am not the only one to backup installers too

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 11:16:48 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2016-01-30 10:49, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
[...]
My worst backup disaster was backing up a mainframe distributed system
which was faulty!
[...]

"You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game."


The three laws of thermodynamics!

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:08:17 +0100, edevils
wrote:

On 30/01/2016 16:19, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:35:04 -0800, mike wrote:

On 1/29/2016 10:21 PM, ...winston? wrote:
Paul wrote:

Jesus, doesn't anyone make backups any more ? :-)

Paul
Did the majority ever ?

The way windows comes on the new PC, many people have no place
to put a backup, even if they wanted to.
Takes some planning and a modification of the partitions
to make backups quick and easy without buying external drives.


Anyone who backs up to an internal drive is playing with fire. The
only good ways to back up are to external devices or to the "cloud."
Backup to anything else leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of
the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: severe
power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of
the computer.

I guess the internal drive can be handy for frequent unattended backups
and suchlike. If you backup every day at 7 am, you can't be positive the
external hdd is attached. Later on you can copy everything to an
external device.


That's fine with me. In fact, I do something like that myself. As long
as you don't rely on it.

But I do take exception to the statement "If you backup every day at 7
am, you can't be positive the external hdd is attached." Although what
you say is true, it implies that the external drive is kept attached.
As far as I'm concerned, an external backup drive should be connected
only when doing a backup or restore from it. If you keep it connected,
it suffers from the same weaknesses as an internal drive: it's
susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of
the most common dangers: severe power glitches, nearby lightning
strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:00:40 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:


Anyway, I agree it's quite time-consuming to reinstall Window$ and all
needed programs. But it's worth the time to do it annually, as a way to
guarantee a clean system.


I completely disagree. It's a lot of unnecessary work. Being diligent
throughout the year is the best way to guarantee a clean system.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:27:39 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:


That's why you should keep yourself a PERSONAL backup of all these
programs and drivers. Sometimes these items might disappear from the web.


I strongly agree with that.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:06:24 -0000, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:46:30 -0800, T wrote:

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)


For a while here, Windows Update had Windows 10 listed as an
optional update AND automatically check-marked.

If I had left Windows updates on automatic instead of "let me
choose", I would also have been upgraded without requesting.

Has everyone not been pestered ? My neighbour has two laptops, and my other neighbour one. All 3 of them have Vista or 7 (I forget which, they look so similar), and none have been asked to upgrade to 10.

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On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:39:41 -0000, VanguardLH wrote:

T wrote on 2016/01/29:

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after he upgraded his
7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that, but...)

Tell your customer that if he/she is going to assume the role of
sysadmin that they should be reviewing EACH update BEFORE installing it.
Turn off automatic updating and look at each update offered.

Why do you call a user who says "yes" to a prompt a "sysadmin"?

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On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:19:06 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:35:04 -0800, mike wrote:

On 1/29/2016 10:21 PM, ...winston? wrote:
Paul wrote:

Jesus, doesn't anyone make backups any more ? :-)

Paul
Did the majority ever ?

The way windows comes on the new PC, many people have no place
to put a backup, even if they wanted to.
Takes some planning and a modification of the partitions
to make backups quick and easy without buying external drives.


Anyone who backs up to an internal drive is playing with fire. The
only good ways to back up are to external devices or to the "cloud."
Backup to anything else leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of
the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: severe
power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of
the computer.

Or failure of the hard disk - the most common component to fail.

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I had to shoot him before he stole everything.

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:06:24 -0000, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:46:30 -0800, T wrote:

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)


For a while here, Windows Update had Windows 10 listed as an
optional update AND automatically check-marked.

If I had left Windows updates on automatic instead of "let me
choose", I would also have been upgraded without requesting.

Has everyone not been pestered ? My neighbour has two laptops, and my
other neighbour one. All 3 of them have Vista or 7 (I forget which,
they look so similar), and none have been asked to upgrade to 10.


GWX would only be offered to a Win7 SP1 or Win8.1 user.
GWX can block if the hardware does not support Win10
(no CX16 perhaps on an AMD CPU).
GWX can block if the video driver is broken
(GWX prefers to have a video driver in hand, before starting.)

One Intel processor (Pentium branded), blocks because
a capability instruction returns the wrong value.
The feature needed is present, the Pentium is ready
to go, but the CPUID instruction returns a status
saying the processor doesn't have that feature. If
you could force the installation to start, the OS would
work fine on the processor in question. In theory, a
microcode patch might fix that (via a recent BIOS update).

GWX might even have attempted to install, failed,
and rolled back. You could check for either the KBs
for GWX, or look to see if a relatively recent
C:\$WINDOWS.~BT is present. That's where the OS is
staged for installation. (The directory
C:\$WINDOWS.~WS is used by MediaCreationTool,
if you happen to be looking in that area.)

If you bought a copy of Windows 8 electronically
for $39.95, then one of those C:\$WINDOWS.xxx folders
could be on your WinXP machine. So you may run into
that folder structure on other machines, as a
side effect of downloading something. But on a
qualifying OS, you would hope those only show up,
if some sort of Win10 activity is happening, or has
been started by the user (MediaCreationTool).

Paul