Is there a way to revert to 7 after 30 days has expired?

On 01/30/2016 01:03 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 3:46 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)


Suggest a complete re-installation of Win 7. You got a clean starting
point and you never knew what Win 10 had done to drive C:!



I am kind of wondering if there is any way to recover the back up
of the w7 image from the trash that W-Nein made and erased after
30 days.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 00:15:18 -0000, T wrote:

On 01/31/2016 04:09 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
And M$ is being real tricky about it too. They do
not explain that a lot of your programs won't work

Not my experience. All my programs work.

You must be a limited usage home user.

I use my computer for all sorts at home, and have worked for 6 years in each of two places with a variety of programs. I can't remember ever having a version of windows break any program. I think the odd time I had to use compatibility mode, but so what?

The first thing I usually notice is that Firefox can
not connect to the Internet.

Funny, Chrome, Opera, and IE all work. Maybe Firefox is ****? I know their email program has a tendency to lose all your emails by corrupting its database for no reason. I've also seen it suddenly stop loading about 20% of websites, claiming there is no internet connection, when every other browser continues working (this is in Vista and 7, on my neighbour's 2 laptops).

Then any specialty software need a new version purchased,
if it is even available. This hits business especially
hard.

Should be a free upgrade if it's to continue existing functionality. If I bought a TV that stopped working because they changed the signal coming through my aerial, I'd expect the TV manufacturer to fix it for free.

Also, my experience is going to be vastly different than
you as I only get called when things go wrong. It's a
living.

Same for me until recently.

If you have specialty software, it is the better part of
wisdom to call them all first and ask if it runs
with Frankenstein and Sons (W-8 and W-Nein, oops, W-10).

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-conten...-reddit-95.jpg

And consider a full wipe and reinstall to 10.

What?

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On 01/30/2016 01:19 AM, Paul wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 3:46 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)


Suggest a complete re-installation of Win 7. You got a clean starting
point and you never knew what Win 10 had done to drive C:!

Do you know how long it takes to do Windows Update
after a clean install of W7 ?

Doing a clean install now is no fun at all. It's torture.

Paul


Not if you have the w7 oem disk and your key. With an
ssd drive it only takes about 30 minutes.

With a recovery partition, it can get really interesting.

T wrote on 2016/01/31:

Right now he is in the saving money mode. He just wants certain
features fixed and will hold his nose on everything else.

There are several FREE and very good backup programs. Seems your
customer is more into spending the time and effort to do the setup and
then have it run automatically via scheduled backups. Most backup
programs nowadays make it pretty easy to define a backup job and then
schedule it.

Since this is a low-level user, you might still want to consider using a
hidden partition for restores. Not to store the factory-time image but
to save an image backup at various times when the computer is considered
to be in a state that the customer would like to return to when disaster
strikes. AOMEI has their OneKey Recovery software. For the user, it
acts like the boot-time factory restore. Occasionally decide when to
save a full backup image in the hidden partition. The advantage to a
hidden partition (no drive letter) is to keep the user from accidentally
writing into that image and possibly corrupting or deleting the base
full backup stored there. It also keeps most malware, like ransomware,
from finding the backup unlike on partitions on internal hard drives or
attached USB drives (which must remain attached to use them for
scheduled backups).

If the user can easily find the backup then so can malware and hazardous
users. Acronis TrueImage has its Secure Zone and Paragon Backup &
Restore has the same hidden partition protection (no drive letter
assign, partition table uses a non-standard partition type to prevent
user from casually assigning a drive letter). Like OneKey, they require
space on the hard disk to create a partition where to save the backup.
Yes, that backup sits around mostly unused while eating up space in the
hidden partition but backups elsewhere normally just sit wherever they
are eating up space, too - until needed for disaster recovery. Since
the hidden partition is on the same HDD as the OS partition, you still
want backups saved elsewhere.

If this customer doesn't bother to review each update offered by
Microsoft, the same accidental switch to Windows 10 is going to happen
again and you'll be doing all the re-setup again. Maybe you should
configure their WU client to "never check" and disable the BITS and WU
services. Then the customer will have you decide what updates to apply
at periodic intervals, like 2 weeks after Patch Tuesday.

T wrote on 2016/01/31:

I am kind of wondering if there is any way to recover the back up
of the w7 image from the trash that W-Nein made and erased after
30 days.

Not if the customer has continued using that computer. Trying to
recover deleted files means not creating new ones, even the temporary
ones created by a running OS. Trying to recover deleted files,
especially while that partition is still being used, is doable when
targeting a particular file (best with a quiescent OS meaning not booted
by using other bootable media) but not a folder with lots of files. But
you could get lucky.

On 29/01/2016 2:46 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)

Is there any way to revert back to 7 after the 30 days
expires without wiping and reinstalling?

A backup and restore.

Yousuf Khan

On 01/02/2016 01:01, T wrote:
[...]

I sold him this computer. I do not do the restore partition as
I find it foolish -- sort of like using one of your four
car tires as your spare tire.

Instead, I provide the OEM install CD and a special disk of
drivers with there special drivers and software on it.
I can do a ANYTHING with the two disks you can do with
the restore partition PLUS restore a defective hard drive,
which you can not do from a restore partition PLUS the
disks DON'T GET INFECTED as does restore partitions.
[...]

On the other hand, CDs do get corrupted. Sometimes you just can't find
where you stored them!

On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Like people used to know, alternate use of the 2 backup devices and
never have both online at one time.

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Sunday School: A prison in which children do penance for the evil
conscience of their parents." [H.L. Mencken]

On 01/31/2016 04:23 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

And consider a full wipe and reinstall to 10.

What?

It is always a good thing to remove all the sins of the past and start
over fresh when dealing with Windows

On 01/31/2016 05:04 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote on 2016/01/31:

Right now he is in the saving money mode. He just wants certain
features fixed and will hold his nose on everything else.

There are several FREE and very good backup programs. Seems your
customer is more into spending the time and effort to do the setup and
then have it run automatically via scheduled backups. Most backup
programs nowadays make it pretty easy to define a backup job and then
schedule it.

Since this is a low-level user, you might still want to consider using a
hidden partition for restores. Not to store the factory-time image but
to save an image backup at various times when the computer is considered
to be in a state that the customer would like to return to when disaster
strikes. AOMEI has their OneKey Recovery software. For the user, it
acts like the boot-time factory restore. Occasionally decide when to
save a full backup image in the hidden partition. The advantage to a
hidden partition (no drive letter) is to keep the user from accidentally
writing into that image and possibly corrupting or deleting the base
full backup stored there. It also keeps most malware, like ransomware,
from finding the backup unlike on partitions on internal hard drives or
attached USB drives (which must remain attached to use them for
scheduled backups).

If the user can easily find the backup then so can malware and hazardous
users. Acronis TrueImage has its Secure Zone and Paragon Backup &
Restore has the same hidden partition protection (no drive letter
assign, partition table uses a non-standard partition type to prevent
user from casually assigning a drive letter). Like OneKey, they require
space on the hard disk to create a partition where to save the backup.
Yes, that backup sits around mostly unused while eating up space in the
hidden partition but backups elsewhere normally just sit wherever they
are eating up space, too - until needed for disaster recovery. Since
the hidden partition is on the same HDD as the OS partition, you still
want backups saved elsewhere.

If this customer doesn't bother to review each update offered by
Microsoft, the same accidental switch to Windows 10 is going to happen
again and you'll be doing all the re-setup again. Maybe you should
configure their WU client to "never check" and disable the BITS and WU
services. Then the customer will have you decide what updates to apply
at periodic intervals, like 2 weeks after Patch Tuesday.


If he eventually goes back to 7, I will install GWX Control Panel.
Maybe even turn off his updates completely. But ...

On 02/01/2016 09:00 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Like people used to know, alternate use of the 2 backup devices and
never have both online at one time.

[snip]


I keep one of my backups in my car. Some of my business customers
take them home with them.

On 01/31/2016 08:17 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote on 2016/01/31:

I am kind of wondering if there is any way to recover the back up
of the w7 image from the trash that W-Nein made and erased after
30 days.

Not if the customer has continued using that computer. Trying to
recover deleted files means not creating new ones, even the temporary
ones created by a running OS. Trying to recover deleted files,
especially while that partition is still being used, is doable when
targeting a particular file (best with a quiescent OS meaning not booted
by using other bootable media) but not a folder with lots of files. But
you could get lucky.


I take it it is not in the recycle bin. Kind of big for that
anyway.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:57:32 -0000, T wrote:

On 02/01/2016 09:00 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Like people used to know, alternate use of the 2 backup devices and
never have both online at one time.

I keep one of my backups in my car. Some of my business customers
take them home with them.

Cars get stolen, I wouldn't want all my data in there.

--
Women are not served here. You have to bring your own.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:00:41 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Unfortunately I only own one house, so opposite corners is the best I can do (assuming it's less likely for all the house to burn down).

Like people used to know, alternate use of the 2 backup devices and
never have both online at one time.

Yes, I alternate two external 3TB USB3 hard disks.

--
Women are not served here. You have to bring your own.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:53:56 -0000, T wrote:

On 01/31/2016 04:23 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

And consider a full wipe and reinstall to 10.

What?

It is always a good thing to remove all the sins of the past and start
over fresh when dealing with Windows

I don't see that as necessary. All that does is give you more work changing all the settings to how you like them and installing all the programs and utilities, and you'll always forget something. When I start from scratch, it's 2 weeks until the computer is the way I want it again.

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He replies, "Yes we do. Would you like to buy some?"
She responds, "No, but do you mind if I wait around here until someone does?