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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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nospam wrote: In article , Alrescha wrote: the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause burns on contact Have you never been to a real restaurant? They regularly serve food that can cause burns on contact. e.g.: no they don't. you also snipped the part where mcdonald's ignored over 700 injuries. they didn't give a ****. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 3/23/2017 2:07 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-03-23 14:45, Jorge wrote: In article Wolf K wrote: Looks like "Jorge" doesn't know not to reply below a sig. His messages are in invisible ink :-) Rene |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:18:40 -0400, Wolf K
wrote: On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote: I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also pre-condiment your burger? :-) You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk, etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar. Interesting! I've never heard "double milk" or "double sugar, but I'd have no trouble understanding it. But if someone said "double double," I wouldn't know what he meant. For some reason, a lot of people like that. Not me, I hate sugar in coffee. ;-) I also hate sugar in coffee. I don't like cream in coffee either, but it's not as bad as sugar. I the coffee is really bad (as it is in Starbucks, for example) I actually prefer it with cream to partially mask the very bad burnt taste. By the way, just as a matter of interest, in almost all of Italy, if you just order "caffee," it comes with nothing in it. But in Naples, it comes with sugar, unless you say "caffee senza zucchero" (coffee without sugar). And many years ago (around 1979) I was sitting at a meeting in a high-level office in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paolo, Brazil (I don't remember which) and was asked if I wanted coffee. I said "yes," and the secretary brought me a cup of coffee with sugar, which I was unable to drink. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On 2017-03-23 17:18:40 +0000, nospam said:
because the temperature is not the issue. It is certainly an issue when you want it to be. burns were occurring at a rate of more than one per week, and mcdonald's, by their own admission, had no interest in reducing that. Yes, for a company the size of McDonalds, coffee burns at a rate of one or two a week is probably a positive indication of how *good* they are doing. Do you not find it telling that the prosecution had to add up ten years of injuries in order to come up with a number that was not laughable? Coffee burns are probably not in the top 1000 list of accidental injuries. they simply didn't give a ****. Yep, that "mean old faceless corporation" crap again. it is unacceptable for any business to disregard the safety and well being of their customers. A nice truism. Of course I do not think they did that. If they had, criminal action would have been taken. Crickets. the judge didn't strike down anything. Are facts beyond you? "they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages...the judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000." from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...7s_Restaurants A. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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PAS wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:56 PM, Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 22/03/17 05:34 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Snit wrote: The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted norms and regulations of their industry? Had they been warned about this before? Were they actively ignoring those warnings? If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be held liable. the car had nothing to do with it. Yes, because the woman was burned between the legs as a result of there not being a cup holder in the car. She couldn't hold it for some reason and had no cup holder to place it into so she left the coffee cup between her legs. Doing so caused unimaginable damage and those burns were the reason she ended up suing the company. Do you know what make & model of car she was the passenger in when this happened? If not, what makes you claim that there was no cupholder in it? |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
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wrote: because the temperature is not the issue. It is certainly an issue when you want it to be. it's incidental to the case. burns were occurring at a rate of more than one per week, and mcdonald's, by their own admission, had no interest in reducing that. Yes, for a company the size of McDonalds, coffee burns at a rate of one or two a week is probably a positive indication of how *good* they are doing. nonsense. substitute food poisoning for burns. would one person per week hospitalized for food poisoning be acceptable?? certainly not. just look what happened with chipotle. Do you not find it telling that the prosecution had to add up ten years of injuries in order to come up with a number that was not laughable? Coffee burns are probably not in the top 1000 list of accidental injuries. it wasn't the prosecution that made that claim. mcdonald's own testimony stated that they knew of over 700 cases and did nothing. they simply didn't give a ****. Yep, that "mean old faceless corporation" crap again. it's not faceless corporation crap. it is unacceptable for any business to disregard the safety and well being of their customers. A nice truism. Of course I do not think they did that. If they had, criminal action would have been taken. Crickets. what you personally think does not matter. unlike you, the jury heard *all* of the facts in the case and decided that mcdonald's was guilty. https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts In a story about the case (pdf) published shortly after the verdict was delivered in 1994, one of the jurors said over the course of the trial he came to realize the case was about ³callous disregard for the safety of the people.² Another juror said ³the facts were so overwhelmingly against the company.² the judge didn't strike down anything. Are facts beyond you? nope. "they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages...the judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000." the jury arrived at $2.7m based on two days of coffee sales. the judge disagreed with the amount, but did agree that mcdonald's was guilty. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 03/23/2017 09:06 AM, PAS wrote:
[snip] Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. And the lifelong cigarette smoker has no responsibility for ANYONE getting emphysema. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "WARNING: Giving up religion now greatly increases humanity's chances for survival." |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:18:40 -0400, Wolf K wrote: On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote: I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also pre-condiment your burger? :-) You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk,=20 etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar.=20 Interesting! I've never heard "double milk" or "double sugar, but I'd have no trouble understanding it. But if someone said "double double," I wouldn't know what he meant. For some=20 reason, a lot of people like that. Not me, I hate sugar in coffee. ;-) I also hate sugar in coffee. I don't like cream in coffee either, but it's not as bad as sugar. I the coffee is really bad (as it is in Starbucks, for example) I actually prefer it with cream to partially mask the very bad burnt taste. By the way, just as a matter of interest, in almost all of Italy, if you just order "caffee," it comes with nothing in it. But in Naples, it comes with sugar, unless you say "caffee senza zucchero" (coffee without sugar). And many years ago (around 1979) I was sitting at a meeting in a high-level office in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paolo, Brazil (I don't remember which) and was asked if I wanted coffee. I said "yes," and the secretary brought me a cup of coffee with sugar, which I was unable to drink. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 03/23/2017 05:05 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
[snip] Sockets in bathroom in the UK are *forbidden*. End of story. What about those who HAVE to use a hair dryer in the bathroom? |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
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wrote: Sockets in bathroom in the UK are *forbidden*. End of story. What about those who HAVE to use a hair dryer in the bathroom? or numerous other bathroom products. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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Anonymous wrote: In article mike wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote: Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards. Some folks simply can’t resist taking their smartphone into the bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage may be going one step further and also charging their device while in the tub. One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps to help prevent further such incidents. Cummings said that while smartphones “seem like innocuous devices … they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a bathroom,” adding that handset makers “should attach warnings” to the devices to warn of the risks. Problem with warnings is that the more you have, the less likely you'll read 'em all. A Mac user read? Did the moon crash into the earth? http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-charging- accident/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_ca mpaign=sidebar |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On 2017-03-23 18:18:40 +0000, Wolf K said:
On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:45:12 -0400, Wolf K wrote : On 2017-03-23 10:26, Jolly Roger wrote: Nope. The car wasn't moving when she put the cup between her legs to remove the lid in order to add creamer, etc. Good grief. Do you mean that McDonald's didn't add that before handing her the coffee? I guess one reason that we prefer Timmie's is that they add the cream/milk/sugar before they hand you the coffee. And while it's hot, it's never too hot. I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also pre-condiment your burger? :-) You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk, etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar. For some reason, a lot of people like that. Not me, I hate sugar in coffee. ;-) Have a good day, In California a "Double-Double" is the In-n-Out Burger go-to burger. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:21:48 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-03-23 15:40, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:18:40 -0400, Wolf K wrote: On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote: I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also pre-condiment your burger? :-) You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk, etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar. Interesting! I've never heard "double milk" or "double sugar, but I'd have no trouble understanding it. But if someone said "double double," I wouldn't know what he meant. It's a Canadian thing. :-) As is Timmie's. ;-) |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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chrisv wrote: Jorge wrote: *plonk* plonk |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On 2017-03-23 20:29:08 +0000, nospam said:
Yes, for a company the size of McDonalds, coffee burns at a rate of one or two a week is probably a positive indication of how *good* they are doing. nonsense. It is not nonsense. You seem to have no sense of proportion. Out of 450,000 burns/year requiring a trip to the ER, McD's might be responsible for as much as .001% of them, and then *only* if you assume that most or all of those were serious (which is an unjustified assumption, given that the 700 reports were of "varying degrees of severity"). Again, if McD's were the maimer of all these "children and babies" as you claim, there would be an uproar. It is simply not true. Nothing changed as a result of this fiasco except that McD's now has a warning that 'coffee is hot'. We are all stupider for it. A. |
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