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  #31  
Old July 20th 04, 12:27 AM
Josh Einstein
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

No you think I signed an NDA which I did not. I already told you that the
relevant part of the EULA for confidentiality only covers features that were
not publicly disclosed. Go check a google archive of all the Lonestar posts
you participated in before it was publicly available.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Not the point, Josh. We're trying to assist your understanding of what
you
can and can't talk about, and where. If you choose to ignore helpful
advice, then it is your problem.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Oh well... I won't say anymore on the topic. The original poster asked a
question and I answered him. If you have a problem with it, take it to
the
MS legal team.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
We are trying to be helpful, Josh, but are having a difficult time
communicating with you. There are a couple points you really do need
to
understand:

1. The technical beta aspect and what goes on there is NDA. Period.

You
cannot discuss, hint or otherwise reveal anything from within the beta
itself. Any questions you may have are to be directed to the technical
beta
newsgroups only.

2. The public preview version of XPSP2 has had two releases, RC1 and

RC2.
What is in those releases is in public domain, but discussion is to
take
place in the public preview newsgroups (from the URL I offered).

Please direct your discussions to the appropriate areas.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack
when
in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider
myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I
didn't
sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to
don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not
publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








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  #32  
Old July 20th 04, 12:31 AM
Chris H.
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

And the information I talked about was posted on Microsoft's web site prior
to the beta, Josh. By installing a beta build, you have agreed to the
confidentiality clauses. If you don't believe me, check out the web site
beta information (both locations). I'm ending this discussion now. Feel
free to understand the rules and live by them.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
No you think I signed an NDA which I did not. I already told you that the
relevant part of the EULA for confidentiality only covers features that

were
not publicly disclosed. Go check a google archive of all the Lonestar

posts
you participated in before it was publicly available.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Not the point, Josh. We're trying to assist your understanding of what
you
can and can't talk about, and where. If you choose to ignore helpful
advice, then it is your problem.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Oh well... I won't say anymore on the topic. The original poster asked

a
question and I answered him. If you have a problem with it, take it to
the
MS legal team.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
We are trying to be helpful, Josh, but are having a difficult time
communicating with you. There are a couple points you really do need
to
understand:

1. The technical beta aspect and what goes on there is NDA. Period.

You
cannot discuss, hint or otherwise reveal anything from within the

beta
itself. Any questions you may have are to be directed to the

technical
beta
newsgroups only.

2. The public preview version of XPSP2 has had two releases, RC1 and

RC2.
What is in those releases is in public domain, but discussion is to
take
place in the public preview newsgroups (from the URL I offered).

Please direct your discussions to the appropriate areas.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack
when
in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider
myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I
didn't
sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to
don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not
publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies










  #33  
Old July 20th 04, 12:32 AM
Alex Nichol
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

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Josh Einstein wrote:

I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't sign
any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to benchmark it
or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it.


If you are on the beta then you did sign an NDA. You may be on the
Technical Preview, which has allowed access to RC1 and RC2 - but I am
not sure about test builds such as the one mentioned


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
  #34  
Old July 20th 04, 01:28 AM
root
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Agreed, the Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is included in Windows XP
Service Pack 2, Release Candidate 2, which available to the public. There
are proper public preview newsgroups for those discussions. Discussion
beyond RC2 is still prohibited, which is why I'm attempting to tell you

any
post RC2 discussions are not valid here.


NO, what you are doing is simply being an obnoxious troll.

Please stop trolling this thread and let folks who want to participate with
the intent of the thread title post.

Post RC2 builds are not available to the public as part of the preview
program, and if a user has post RC2 builds they are (1) a technical beta
tester with access to the proper technical beta newsgroups for discussion,
or (2) a thief.

In the case of #1 above, the proper channels are available and should be
used. In the case of #2, they know what they can do with the build

they're
running. The Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is not yet a released

product,
and therefore only "supported" in the proper beta/preview newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Okay well you can stop saying NDA cause there's no NDA. And like I said
before, the EULA only prevents you from disclosing features not made

public
by Microsoft. Since there are no undisclosed features in the POST RC2

build,
we're free to talk about it. That's the bottom line.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Josh, what has been available to the public is the preview edition.

What
is
going on within the technical beta IS covered by NDA/EULA and may not

be
discussed outside the technical beta newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen

with
a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features.
Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to

talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm

not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








  #35  
Old July 20th 04, 01:32 AM
root
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
We are trying to be helpful,


Just NO, troll.


  #36  
Old July 20th 04, 01:32 AM
root
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Agreed, the Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is included in Windows XP
Service Pack 2, Release Candidate 2, which available to the public. There
are proper public preview newsgroups for those discussions. Discussion
beyond RC2 is still prohibited, which is why I'm attempting to tell you

any
post RC2 discussions are not valid here.


NO, what you are doing is simply being an obnoxious troll.

Please stop trolling this thread and let folks who want to participate with
the intent of the thread title post.

Post RC2 builds are not available to the public as part of the preview
program, and if a user has post RC2 builds they are (1) a technical beta
tester with access to the proper technical beta newsgroups for discussion,
or (2) a thief.

In the case of #1 above, the proper channels are available and should be
used. In the case of #2, they know what they can do with the build

they're
running. The Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is not yet a released

product,
and therefore only "supported" in the proper beta/preview newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Okay well you can stop saying NDA cause there's no NDA. And like I said
before, the EULA only prevents you from disclosing features not made

public
by Microsoft. Since there are no undisclosed features in the POST RC2

build,
we're free to talk about it. That's the bottom line.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Josh, what has been available to the public is the preview edition.

What
is
going on within the technical beta IS covered by NDA/EULA and may not

be
discussed outside the technical beta newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen

with
a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features.
Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to

talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm

not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








  #37  
Old July 20th 04, 01:32 AM
root
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
We are trying to be helpful,


Just NO, troll.


  #38  
Old July 20th 04, 01:32 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things

entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies







  #39  
Old July 20th 04, 01:32 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things

entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies







  #40  
Old July 20th 04, 01:39 AM
root
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Yes, now take you off topic troll out of here.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








  #41  
Old July 20th 04, 01:39 AM
root
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Yes, now take you off topic troll out of here.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








  #42  
Old July 20th 04, 01:39 AM
Woody
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

There's that "we" again. There is no "we" here. Just users looking for
answers. This is certainly not the personal domain of MVP's. Public group,
all opinions are valid.

Woody

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
We are trying to be helpful, Josh, but are having a difficult time
communicating with you. There are a couple points you really do need to
understand:

1. The technical beta aspect and what goes on there is NDA. Period. You
cannot discuss, hint or otherwise reveal anything from within the beta
itself. Any questions you may have are to be directed to the technical

beta
newsgroups only.

2. The public preview version of XPSP2 has had two releases, RC1 and RC2.
What is in those releases is in public domain, but discussion is to take
place in the public preview newsgroups (from the URL I offered).

Please direct your discussions to the appropriate areas.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when

in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider

myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't

sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to

don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies





  #43  
Old July 20th 04, 01:39 AM
Chris H.
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

See you, root.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" wrote in message
...
Yes, now take you off topic troll out of here.



  #44  
Old July 20th 04, 01:40 AM
Josh Einstein
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Xref: newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:1194138 microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment:132438

I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the street that
downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta tester. And
I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted nothing
that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds.

Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't tell me
what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making blanket
statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.


It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or lackthereof) to the
group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop
posting.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








  #45  
Old July 20th 04, 01:51 AM
root
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Woody" wrote in message
...
There's that "we" again. There is no "we" here. Just users looking for
answers. This is certainly not the personal domain of MVP's. Public

group,
all opinions are valid.


There ya go. Maybe MVP = = troll here?

A good discussion of folks experiences with 2162 can only HELP MS and the
overall SP2 effort. A good discussion will only HELP the XP user community.
The fact that XP SP2 post RC2 2162 has been widely reported in the press and
is widely available for download and the fact that there is no charge for
this product which MS has announced will be free and within about a month,
MAKES all this WACKO gabber about NDAs and confidentiality simply a TROLL by
folks who think they are some kind of palace guard but in reality lurk under
bridges.

The information and the free product have made there way into the public
domain. Now let's have a free discussion in the public domain.


 




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