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  #31  
Old August 8th 04, 02:11 AM
Robert Comer
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If they do, then I for one will stop posting.

You aren't the only one.

How so? I don't believe Usenet runs on FTP?


Control?.

I don't believe that MS is trying to kill FTP anyway, it's used far to much
to kill, so I won't be worrying about it.

- Bob Comer



"Robert Moir" wrote in message
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Susan wrote:
"Robert Moir" wrote:

As for FTP, again, if Microsoft are choosing to discontinue their
own FTP command line app then this again is probably a good thing
for the majority of people who never use it (though I note that it
still seems to be installed and working on my machine here which is
running XP SP2 RTM).


I bet M$ and the software community at large would love to figure out
how to get rid of Usenet newsgroup support on the Internet in favor
of website forums?


If they do, then I for one will stop posting. So go find someone else to
lecture.

Getting rid of FTP might be a tiny first step in
that direction.


How so? I don't believe Usenet runs on FTP?







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  #32  
Old August 8th 04, 02:12 AM
Testy
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Exactly that is why my clients are deliriously happy with my services.

Testy

"Brian S. Bergin" wrote in message
...
"Testy" wrote:

I personally did not have any "problems" with SP2 I just had to disable
most of its "features" it serves no useful function to me or my clients,
which by the way are approaching 4 MILLION machine hours virus, spyware

and
hacker free!!!


It only takes one to ruin your entire day...

Sincerely,
Brian S. Bergin
Terabyte Computers, Inc.



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  #33  
Old August 8th 04, 03:12 AM
David Candy
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Default SP2 Behavior ...

But they usually give ways to turn off the new security features. It =
just requires configuration.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Testy" wrote in message =
...
You obviously have not read any of my reason and are basing YOUR =

opinions
on one little misreading by me. I am not overly fond of Linux it is my
clients who are moving this way, I just follow the money.
=20
Testy
=20
"Brian S. Bergin" wrote in message
...
"Testy" wrote:


As I have stated elsewhere I have Beats tested SP2 for several =

months for
several of my clients. The major on which supplies custom software =

to
major
companies throughout N.A. has decided to NOT support SP 2 and has =

advised
all its clients to stay with SP1 or to switch to Linux which will =

be
fully
supported. I never make statements I cannot back up but don't think =

I
need
to state my credentials with every OPINION I post.


People have sung the Linux song to extreme. Linux has just as many =

or
more faults as Windows has but since about 95% LESS people in the
world run Linux than Windows they haven't been beaten up by the
hackers as yet. At least since you'll be moving on to Linux we =

won't
have to hear your opinions next time around.

I believe we are ALL still entitled to have our OWN opinions, =

correct?

Not when you haven't bothered to read what you're basing your =

opinions
on. You MISread one article and have canned SP2 forever.

Sincerely,
Brian S. Bergin
Terabyte Computers, Inc.

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=20
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  #34  
Old August 8th 04, 03:28 AM
Testy
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Of course but I don't want the hassle of having to turn off everything they
think I need. There are NO features in their useful to me personally.
Besides My employers are not supporting it.

Many other Professionals feel the same way
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759...119TX1K0000594

Testy

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
But they usually give ways to turn off the new security features. It just
requires configuration.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Testy" wrote in message
...
You obviously have not read any of my reason and are basing YOUR opinions
on one little misreading by me. I am not overly fond of Linux it is my
clients who are moving this way, I just follow the money.

Testy

"Brian S. Bergin" wrote in message
...
"Testy" wrote:


As I have stated elsewhere I have Beats tested SP2 for several months

for
several of my clients. The major on which supplies custom software to

major
companies throughout N.A. has decided to NOT support SP 2 and has

advised
all its clients to stay with SP1 or to switch to Linux which will be

fully
supported. I never make statements I cannot back up but don't think I

need
to state my credentials with every OPINION I post.


People have sung the Linux song to extreme. Linux has just as many or
more faults as Windows has but since about 95% LESS people in the
world run Linux than Windows they haven't been beaten up by the
hackers as yet. At least since you'll be moving on to Linux we won't
have to hear your opinions next time around.

I believe we are ALL still entitled to have our OWN opinions, correct?


Not when you haven't bothered to read what you're basing your opinions
on. You MISread one article and have canned SP2 forever.

Sincerely,
Brian S. Bergin
Terabyte Computers, Inc.



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  #35  
Old August 8th 04, 03:44 AM
David Candy
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Default SP2 Behavior ...

I agree MS shouldn't make such changes. The only security problems are =
the users. They need changing.

But programmers will write XP specific stuff so future programs won't =
work.

If you remember MS guaranteed that from XP onwards there WOULD BE NO =
changes of functionality in Service Packs, only bug fixes. They LIED.
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Testy" wrote in message =
...
Of course but I don't want the hassle of having to turn off everything =

they
think I need. There are NO features in their useful to me personally.
Besides My employers are not supporting it.
=20
Many other Professionals feel the same way
=

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759...SS03119TX1K00=
00594
=20
Testy
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
But they usually give ways to turn off the new security features. It =

just
requires configuration.
=20
--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html
=20
"Testy" wrote in message
...
You obviously have not read any of my reason and are basing YOUR =

opinions
on one little misreading by me. I am not overly fond of Linux it is =

my
clients who are moving this way, I just follow the money.

Testy

"Brian S. Bergin" wrote in =

message
...
"Testy" wrote:


As I have stated elsewhere I have Beats tested SP2 for several =

months
for
several of my clients. The major on which supplies custom =

software to
major
companies throughout N.A. has decided to NOT support SP 2 and has

advised
all its clients to stay with SP1 or to switch to Linux which will =

be
fully
supported. I never make statements I cannot back up but don't =

think I
need
to state my credentials with every OPINION I post.

People have sung the Linux song to extreme. Linux has just as =

many or
more faults as Windows has but since about 95% LESS people in the
world run Linux than Windows they haven't been beaten up by the
hackers as yet. At least since you'll be moving on to Linux we =

won't
have to hear your opinions next time around.

I believe we are ALL still entitled to have our OWN opinions, =

correct?

Not when you haven't bothered to read what you're basing your =

opinions
on. You MISread one article and have canned SP2 forever.

Sincerely,
Brian S. Bergin
Terabyte Computers, Inc.



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  #36  
Old August 8th 04, 03:50 AM
Testy
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MS lied? Next you will be telling me politicians lie too

Testy

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
I agree MS shouldn't make such changes. The only security problems are the
users. They need changing.

But programmers will write XP specific stuff so future programs won't work.

If you remember MS guaranteed that from XP onwards there WOULD BE NO changes
of functionality in Service Packs, only bug fixes. They LIED.
--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Testy" wrote in message
...
Of course but I don't want the hassle of having to turn off everything

they
think I need. There are NO features in their useful to me personally.
Besides My employers are not supporting it.

Many other Professionals feel the same way

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759...119TX1K0000594

Testy

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
But they usually give ways to turn off the new security features. It just
requires configuration.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Testy" wrote in message
...
You obviously have not read any of my reason and are basing YOUR

opinions
on one little misreading by me. I am not overly fond of Linux it is my
clients who are moving this way, I just follow the money.

Testy

"Brian S. Bergin" wrote in message
...
"Testy" wrote:


As I have stated elsewhere I have Beats tested SP2 for several months

for
several of my clients. The major on which supplies custom software to

major
companies throughout N.A. has decided to NOT support SP 2 and has

advised
all its clients to stay with SP1 or to switch to Linux which will be

fully
supported. I never make statements I cannot back up but don't think I

need
to state my credentials with every OPINION I post.

People have sung the Linux song to extreme. Linux has just as many or
more faults as Windows has but since about 95% LESS people in the
world run Linux than Windows they haven't been beaten up by the
hackers as yet. At least since you'll be moving on to Linux we won't
have to hear your opinions next time around.

I believe we are ALL still entitled to have our OWN opinions,

correct?

Not when you haven't bothered to read what you're basing your opinions
on. You MISread one article and have canned SP2 forever.

Sincerely,
Brian S. Bergin
Terabyte Computers, Inc.



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  #37  
Old August 8th 04, 08:13 AM
Robert Moir
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Testy wrote:
As I have stated elsewhere I have Beats tested SP2 for several months
for several of my clients. The major on which supplies custom
software to major companies throughout N.A. has decided to NOT
support SP 2 and has advised all its clients to stay with SP1 or to
switch to Linux which will be fully supported. I never make
statements I cannot back up but don't think I need to state my
credentials with every OPINION I post.


That is all I'm asking you to do. Back something up. You made a claim, I
disputed it, you jumped all over me and claimed to have documentation
proving your point. I've been unable to find your evidence based on
guesswork, and the physical evidence in front of me suggests you are wrong.
At this time I believe its customary to either prove or conceed your point.

I believe we are ALL still entitled to have our OWN opinions, correct?


Quite. I'm just asking you to provide the information you used to arrive at
yours.


  #38  
Old August 8th 04, 11:51 AM
Testy
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http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759...119TX1K0000594

Testy

"Robert Moir" wrote in message
...
Testy wrote:
As I have stated elsewhere I have Beats tested SP2 for several months
for several of my clients. The major on which supplies custom
software to major companies throughout N.A. has decided to NOT
support SP 2 and has advised all its clients to stay with SP1 or to
switch to Linux which will be fully supported. I never make
statements I cannot back up but don't think I need to state my
credentials with every OPINION I post.


That is all I'm asking you to do. Back something up. You made a claim, I
disputed it, you jumped all over me and claimed to have documentation
proving your point. I've been unable to find your evidence based on
guesswork, and the physical evidence in front of me suggests you are

wrong.
At this time I believe its customary to either prove or conceed your

point.

I believe we are ALL still entitled to have our OWN opinions, correct?


Quite. I'm just asking you to provide the information you used to arrive

at
yours.




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  #39  
Old August 8th 04, 12:31 PM
Robert Moir
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Testy wrote:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759...119TX1K0000594


I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about FTP & Gopher here. I can't find
that word on the website link above. I apologise, I know its probably my
mistake, but I even searched with Firefox's search tool.

FTP still works here, by the way. I keep testing it for you to see if it has
magically rotted away yet, but it is still working. Do you think I should
submit a bug report?


  #40  
Old August 8th 04, 12:41 PM
Testy
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I have no idea what you are talking about. So long.


Testy

"Robert Moir" wrote in message
...
Testy wrote:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759...119TX1K0000594

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about FTP & Gopher here. I can't find
that word on the website link above. I apologise, I know its probably my
mistake, but I even searched with Firefox's search tool.

FTP still works here, by the way. I keep testing it for you to see if it

has
magically rotted away yet, but it is still working. Do you think I should
submit a bug report?




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  #41  
Old August 8th 04, 12:46 PM
Robert Moir
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Testy wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about. So long.


I'll take that to mean that you don't have any facts to back your position
up.


  #42  
Old August 8th 04, 01:06 PM
Testy
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What position and what claims re you talking about?

Testy

"Robert Moir" wrote in message
...
Testy wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about. So long.


I'll take that to mean that you don't have any facts to back your position
up.




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  #43  
Old August 8th 04, 01:26 PM
Robert Moir
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Testy wrote:
What position and what claims re you talking about?

Testy


"Have you tried ftp yet? It will not ever work again." - Testy

and when I replied that FTP still works for me (and it still does, by the
way, it hasn't started to "not ever work again" yet)

"Funny MS own website states the FTP and GOPHER are no longer supported in
SP2." - Testy.

Surely you remember your own words from yesterday?


Regards
Rob Moir.


  #44  
Old August 8th 04, 01:40 PM
Testy
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I took no "position" I responded to a question with a question and pointed
to an article from MS. It was pointed out that my interpretation of the
article was incorrect. A point to which I have conceded.
It is hard to follow a thread if one does not quote the posts they are
referring to If you wish to continue a personal attack based on outdated
information please go bang your head against another brick wall.

Testy

"Robert Moir" wrote in message
...
Testy wrote:
What position and what claims re you talking about?

Testy


"Have you tried ftp yet? It will not ever work again." - Testy

and when I replied that FTP still works for me (and it still does, by the
way, it hasn't started to "not ever work again" yet)

"Funny MS own website states the FTP and GOPHER are no longer supported

in
SP2." - Testy.

Surely you remember your own words from yesterday?


Regards
Rob Moir.




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  #45  
Old August 8th 04, 02:51 PM
Robert Moir
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Testy wrote:
I took no "position" I responded to a question with a question and
pointed to an article from MS. It was pointed out that my
interpretation of the article was incorrect. A point to which I have
conceded.


Fair enough. Thank you.

It is hard to follow a thread if one does not quote the posts they are
referring to If you wish to continue a personal attack based on
outdated information please go bang your head against another brick
wall.


Ok. When have I made a "personal attack"?


 




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