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SP2 - WHY?????
Thanks for the link. I'll look it over. Oh, I am sure I will download it,
both in Spanish and in English :-) Alias "Dick Kistler" wrote Alias wrote: "Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ... Tony, The benefits of SP2 are as follows: * Pop-up ads blocked Got that with Google for IE and Mozilla has it integrated in the browser. * Revamped firewall on by default My Sygate is better. * Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about attachments Another thing to disable ... * Origins of downloaded files logged Wow! Just curious, what does that do for me? * Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default Another thing to disable .. * Some spyware blocked As well as Spybot, Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster and Spywareguard? * Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates Another thing to disable. * Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates and firewall What a waste of time. * Protection against buffer over-runs Whoa, something I don't already have! What does that do for me? * Windows Messenger Service turned off by default Should have never been put in XP to begin with. If I want a messenger program, I know where to get them. * New WI-FI setup Wizard Considering how expensive WI-FI is at present, so what? * etc etc * etc etc That's it? No, its not, look here if you are really interested-8 pages of changes: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2chngs.mspx It's a free country, don't install it if you don't want to. It means a more secure, more bug free OS to the rest of us. I installed it last Monday-the only differences I see are that now I have automatic updates on(a trial, we'll see how it goes) and I've been able to install the newest TouchPad drivers that I wasn't able to before. Everything else-apps, drivers, network, etc.-are working as advertised. So I can't see what the fuss is about. Dick Kistler |
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SP2 - WHY?????
Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were reported
here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding, considerae and helpful. Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very rude! Testy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 |
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SP2 - WHY?????
Well, I remember when SP1 was first released and many problems were reported
here. The vast majority of people were understanding, considerate and helpful. Now with the release of SP2 problems are still reported here but people are critical, condescending and spend more time attacking those with problems and defending SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very rude! Testy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:10:35 -0400, "Dick Kistler"
wrote: "Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ... Testy, The article you refer to says: "Some programs seem to stop ......" It does not say definitely that there are problems. It is the perception of sceptic like yourself. In any case, what are you going to do now that SP2 is here and future security enhancements will depend on SP2 preinstalled. Surely, it is time to accomodate SP2 if you want to progress in the 21st century. Taliban tried to live in their own small world and look what a fine mess they are in!! They don't even have electric shavers. No wonder men in Afghanistan have dirty beards growing in unusual places!! I feel pity on their women to put up with dirty men!! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha! Not installing SP2 == Joining Taliban! What does driving a 15 year old car get me? I have just heard that the City of Munich will now not migrate its desktop to Linux because the TCO is higher using Linux. So Windows has won here again. What exactly has Windows won? World dominance? Wait, they already have that! Another victory for the Evil Empire! I can hardly wait to have the Microsoft Logo embossed on my driver's license or my National ID card. Be the first to get yours Dick, but don't forget to activate it! |
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Testy wrote:
Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding, considerae and helpful. Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very rude! Testy So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to make a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if you don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all relevant newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways to solve the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And don't even think about asking a question until you read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its suggestions. The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there. Dick Kistler Dick Kistler --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 |
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Another victory for the Evil Empire! I can hardly wait to have the Microsoft Logo embossed on my driver's license or my National ID card. Be the first to get yours Dick, but don't forget to activate it! Well, I'm waiting for the barcode on my forehead, but I haven't figured out how to do the activation yet. Dick |
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Well I expect linux users to be rude and ignorant, however that was not the
case here until recently. Testy "Dick Kistler" wrote in message ... Testy wrote: Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding, considerae and helpful. Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very rude! Testy So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to make a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if you don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all relevant newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways to solve the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And don't even think about asking a question until you read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its suggestions. The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there. Dick Kistler Dick Kistler --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 |
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Testy wrote:
Well I expect linux users to be rude and ignorant, however that was not the case here until recently. Yup, that's me, rude and arrogant. the reason I can see so far is that I'm surrounded by dwarves. Dick |
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Ok so wait if you think that M$ has done such a good job with XP.
Nobody is twisting your arm to install SP2. What is the problem? Rick tony wrote: What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the hurry about installing SP2? Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as soon as it is available as there will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first month. (A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!) I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the feedback is like in this and other groups. Good luck to all Tony |
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Dick Kistler wrote:
Testy wrote: Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding, considerae and helpful. Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very rude! Testy So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to make a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if you don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all relevant newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways to solve the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And don't even think about asking a question until you read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its suggestions. The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there. Dick Kistler Dick Kistler --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 I've never had a problem in the few linux groups I posted in. -- hermes DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties! http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html http://anti-dmca.org/ http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php Windows XP crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams |
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My computer was very secure before SP2 I do not need MS to do my work for me, as for future "enhancements" we will have to see if they are really worth it.
Agreed. And I will wait until SP2a, and then see if I need it. "Testy" wrote in message ... Wow from SP2 to a tirade about the Taliban quite a jump! My computer was very secure before SP2 I do not need MS to do my work for me, as for future "enhancements" we will have to see if they are really worth it. Testy "Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ... Testy, The article you refer to says: "Some programs seem to stop ......" It does not say definitely that there are problems. It is the perception of sceptic like yourself. In any case, what are you going to do now that SP2 is here and future security enhancements will depend on SP2 preinstalled. Surely, it is time to accomodate SP2 if you want to progress in the 21st century. Taliban tried to live in their own small world and look what a fine mess they are in!! They don't even have electric shavers. No wonder men in Afghanistan have dirty beards growing in unusual places!! I feel pity on their women to put up with dirty men!! I have just heard that the City of Munich will now not migrate its desktop to Linux because the TCO is higher using Linux. So Windows has won here again. Regards, Testy wrote: And some of the problems when you do.... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242 Testy "Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ... Tony, The benefits of SP2 are as follows: * Pop-up ads blocked * Revamped firewall on by default * Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about attachments * Origins of downloaded files logged * Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default * Some spyware blocked * Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates * Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates and firewall * Protection against buffer over-runs * Windows Messenger Service turned off by default * New WI-FI setup Wizard * etc etc * etc etc Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you want autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004. SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it. Best regards, tony wrote: What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the hurry about installing SP2? Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as soon as it is available as there will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first month. (A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!) I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the feedback is like in this and other groups. Good luck to all Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:52:48 -0400, "Dick Kistler"
wrote: Testy wrote: Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding, considerae and helpful. Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very rude! Testy So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to make a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if you don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all relevant newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways to solve the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And don't even think about asking a question until you read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its suggestions. The Linux people don’t help new comers to Linux. They expect you to become a programmer and know everything. They also tell you to go out and buy a book. And they are wandering why people are not moving to Linux. Duh. The old Linux people don’t even use kde desktop, they use what I call a command line for everything. Like dos. Not everybody has time to answer all the questions here either. Now, Some are rude and so are some of the post asking the questions I not talking about mvp people either. Also, my post may appear rude. I don’t mean it to be. I just have trouble putting things into writing. So could other people. Some people try to joke but come across as being rude. I have not see anyone mvp be rude unless someone was being rude to them. Greg R Greg The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there. Dick Kistler Dick Kistler --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 |
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" The Linux people don't help new comers to Linux. They expect you to become a programmer and know everything. They also tell you to go out and buy a book. And they are wandering why people are not moving to Linux. Duh. Yes, you're right, they tell you to go out and buy a book. Yes, they're probably right, you would learn Linux quicker and better if you go buy a book and read it. Yes, you're right, some people are turned off by such an attitude: That you should try to learn about Linux on your own. Yes, they are right that you would probably be in a better position to solve problems in the future if you learned more about Linux on your own. Windows too. The old Linux people don't even use kde desktop, they use what I call a command line for everything. Like dos. Doubtful that many Linux users only use the command line interface. Likely that many Linux users use BOTH the command line and graphical user interface. Not everybody has time to answer all the questions here either. Now, Some are rude and so are some of the post asking the questions I not talking about mvp people either. Also, my post may appear rude. I don't mean it to be. I just have trouble putting things into writing. So could other people. Some people try to joke but come across as being rude. I have not see anyone mvp be rude unless someone was being rude to them. My own opinion is that a great many of the posters here would solve their problems quicker on Google than they do here. And that many more could solve their problems just by reading previous posts on this newsgroup. It's hard to be too sympathetic to people that don't figure out those two things. Some people would say that there are no stupid questions. Any school kid can tell you that there are at least two stupid questions. The first is a question that shows that you aren't listening. The second is a question that shows that you haven't done your homework. These statements also hold true on these and any other newsgroups. Dick Kistler |
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The only real stupid question is the one that isn't asked.
If there is anyone here who can't understand that basic fact, they should either go away or calmly and politely learn to live with it. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Dick Kistler" wrote in message news:% Some people would say that there are no stupid questions. Any school kid can tell you that there are at least two stupid questions. The first is a question that shows that you aren't listening. The second is a question that shows that you haven't done your homework. These statements also hold true on these and any other newsgroups. Dick Kistler |
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... The only real stupid question is the one that isn't asked. If there is anyone here who can't understand that basic fact, they should either go away or calmly and politely learn to live with it. -- So legend says. But if you don't ask the question, and go find a book with the answer in it, or figure out the solution on your own by some other means, you will have solved your problem and learned something(maybe many things) that you can use in the future. In addition, you have learned that you can solve some problems on your own. And you have put yourself in a position to ask better questions in the future, since by knowing more, you can ask more pertinent questions. While I think that you have to ask questions to learn, it is more useful in both the short and long runs to use all the facilities and capabilities available to solve problems. I stand by my previous post. Dick Kistler |
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