sp2 windows update bug?

"Tom" wrote in message
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And getting driver updates via WU is not recommended, as they are mostly
older updates.
Best to get them from the manufacturer's site.

not recommended by whom? provide references, as i did.

the drivers available via WU are not "mostly older versions"

did you even bother to inform yourself re. the WHQL testing and
certification, and the process by which device drivers are submitted to WU?
it doesn't take that long at all to get a driver posted to WU. in fact,
i've received ThinkPad ACPI power management drivers via WU, submitted by
IBM, weeks *before* that same driver was posted to IBM's own site. the same
has also been true for Intel network cards and chipset drivers... available
via WU before eventually showing-up on the Intel site.

did you just need to get your uninformed 2 pennies worth in... yet again,
tom?

i reiterate, driver updates via WU are rigorously tested, WHQL certified,
and submitted by the hardware vendors, themselves. these are *quality*
drivers and perfectly safe to use. yes, as i've stated already in this
discussion thread, check the hardware vendor's website first for the latest
drivers, if available, install those (WU will not offer a driver update for
a device that is up-to-date and using the correct drivers). if not
available, use the drivers offered via WU.
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francis

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And getting driver updates via WU is not recommended, as they are =
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older updates.
Best to get them from the manufacturer's site.
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not recommended by whom? provide references, as i did.
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the drivers available via WU are not "mostly older versions"
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did you even bother to inform yourself re. the WHQL testing and=20
certification, and the process by which device drivers are submitted =
to WU?=20
it doesn't take that long at all to get a driver posted to WU. in =
fact,=20
i've received ThinkPad ACPI power management drivers via WU, submitted =
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IBM, weeks *before* that same driver was posted to IBM's own site. =
the same=20
has also been true for Intel network cards and chipset drivers... =
available=20
via WU before eventually showing-up on the Intel site.
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did you just need to get your uninformed 2 pennies worth in... yet =
again,=20
tom?
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i reiterate, driver updates via WU are rigorously tested, WHQL =
certified,=20
and submitted by the hardware vendors, themselves. these are =
*quality*=20
drivers and perfectly safe to use. yes, as i've stated already in =
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discussion thread, check the hardware vendor's website first for the =
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drivers, if available, install those (WU will not offer a driver =
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a device that is up-to-date and using the correct drivers). if not=20
available, use the drivers offered via WU.

Who cares if they are rigorously tested!

The fact remains that it is NOT recommended to get them from WU, and 99% =
of the experts here will tell you this.

For example: an NVidia driver resided on WU dated Dec. 2003, but newer =
ones (and more complete) were on Nvidia's support site that are WHQL =
tested and certified, and 6 months newer. It is better to check the =
manufacturer's website, as MS doesn't proved the newest versions. The =
driver I mentioned from WU broke my my setup, causing crashes, until I =
rollled it back, and then installed the newset Nvidia driver that is =
WHQL certified.

Most sites will have the latest tested drivers for their hardware, and =
MS doesn't except responsibility for what they post in WU anyway, and =
they should leave that to the MF, since they state it is the MF's =
responsibility to make their drivers work with Windows (i.e. newer =
drivers for SP2).

"francis g=E9rard" wrote in message =
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did you just need to get your uninformed 2 pennies worth in... yet =
again,=20
tom?

LOL, I had to catch this, being that you Alex got you, and you still =
needed your 2=A2 worth also!

"Tom" wrote in message
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Who cares if they are rigorously tested!

ok, so YOU don't care...

The fact remains that it is NOT recommended to get them from WU,
and 99% of the experts here will tell you this.

facts... where? experts... whom?
you are certainly not an authority on the matter, that much is clear
please provide references

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sorry to hear about your bad luck with the nVIDIA driver, that shouldn't
happen, but the potential for driver installation issues is always present,
no matter the source, this is not something specific to WU, problems could
have just as easily occured with the driver you obtained from nVIDIA's site,
there are no guarantees, but WHQL certification is a good place to start.
fortunately, i have not had a negative experience with driver updates via
WU, even with the many machines i've built and setup.

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francis

"Tom" wrote in message
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"francis gérard" wrote in message
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did you just need to get your uninformed 2 pennies worth in... yet again,
tom?

LOL, I had to catch this, being that you Alex got you,
and you still needed your 2¢ worth also!

make that my 4 cents now! ;-
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francis

Winupdate drivers for both nvidea and silicon image drivers have caused
problems, they were either corrupt or faulty in some other way - info from
hw manu.site
Winupdate driver on my Sony Vaio caused an immediate device failure
I have the latest Silicon Image device driver, winupdate still shows an
older update available
Winupdate doesnt give the version of the update, merely the date - leastways
the couple I have checked -
Whilst a hardware device may have a specific chip eg in the case of nvidea
graphics the drivers from the chip manu and the hw manu ,may differ
significantly.
The winupdate drivers page should carry a warning ' updateing can cause a
device failure'. I seem to recollect that various web sites that offered a
scanning ability carried such a warning.

"francis gérard" wrote in message
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"Tom" wrote in message
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And getting driver updates via WU is not recommended, as they are mostly
older updates.
Best to get them from the manufacturer's site.

not recommended by whom? provide references, as i did.

the drivers available via WU are not "mostly older versions"

did you even bother to inform yourself re. the WHQL testing and
certification, and the process by which device drivers are submitted to
WU?
it doesn't take that long at all to get a driver posted to WU. in fact,
i've received ThinkPad ACPI power management drivers via WU, submitted by
IBM, weeks *before* that same driver was posted to IBM's own site. the
same
has also been true for Intel network cards and chipset drivers...
available
via WU before eventually showing-up on the Intel site.

did you just need to get your uninformed 2 pennies worth in... yet again,
tom?

i reiterate, driver updates via WU are rigorously tested, WHQL certified,
and submitted by the hardware vendors, themselves. these are *quality*
drivers and perfectly safe to use. yes, as i've stated already in this
discussion thread, check the hardware vendor's website first for the
latest
drivers, if available, install those (WU will not offer a driver update
for
a device that is up-to-date and using the correct drivers). if not
available, use the drivers offered via WU.
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francis

These are the 'Facts' according to MS
But heck if you wish to bugger up yr sys go ahead

"francis gérard" wrote in message
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for those wanting to know the FACTS (not conjecture) about driver updates
via Windows Update...

WU driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx

WU driver publishing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlog...ign/WinUp.mspx

WHQL testing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest/default.mspx

windows hardware test policies:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest.../policies.mspx

overview of driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/default.mspx

qualification service:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/GetStart/qualify.mspx

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francis

"DL" wrote in message
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These are the 'Facts' according to MS

oh really, "according to MS" eh?

point me in the direction of these facts

provide informed references please, as i did

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francis

"francis g=E9rard" wrote in message =
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"Tom" wrote in message=20
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Who cares if they are rigorously tested!
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ok, so YOU don't care...
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The fact remains that it is NOT recommended to get them from WU,
and 99% of the experts here will tell you this.
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facts... where? experts... whom?
you are certainly not an authority on the matter, that much is clear
please provide references

Well, I am an authority with PC experience, and since you can search =
messages, or ask anyone here that contributes from vast experience, then =
ask them or search. It is obvious you haven't been in these groups very =
long, or you wouldn't say MS is soo right just because they say they =
test them, and you would have seen (even from actuall MS employees that =
participate here) that they recommend getting device drivers directly =
from the MF. As I stated, MS isn't going to get the latest WHQL drivers =
from them and post them, and they don't take responsibility for them, so =
why trust them.


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sorry to hear about your bad luck with the nVIDIA driver, that =
shouldn't=20
happen, but the potential for driver installation issues is always =
present,=20
no matter the source, this is not something specific to WU, problems =
could=20
have just as easily occured with the driver you obtained from nVIDIA's =
site,=20
there are no guarantees, but WHQL certification is a good place to =
start.=20
fortunately, i have not had a negative experience with driver updates =
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WU, even with the many machines i've built and setup.

Did you not read that I stated there are drivers there that are newer =
that are *WHQL* certified? Would it not be better to get the latest ones =
that are certified? I don't have Nvidia anymore, I use ATI on my new =
machine, as Nvidia dropped the ball with that crappy FX series.

"Tom" wrote in message
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ok, well since you consistently refuse to provide INFORMED references, tom,
we'll simply agree to disagree on this matter

anecdotally speaking, you and i can say anthing we want, but that doesn't
necessarily represent the FACTS

i've stated my experience, qualified by the many systems that i've built and
successfuly updated their drivers via WU, and i further backed-up my claims
with published and informed documentation... i have even more in case you're
interested, but i think you're more interested in arguing than anything
else, thus... i'm done! EOF
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francis

you provided the references

"francis gérard" wrote in message
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"DL" wrote in message
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These are the 'Facts' according to MS

oh really, "according to MS" eh?

point me in the direction of these facts

provide informed references please, as i did

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francis

"DL" wrote in message
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you provided the references

oh pardon me... for a moment i thought you were contributing more than an
opinion... i was mistaken

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francis

I have contributed but you chose not to respond


"francis gérard" wrote in message
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"DL" wrote in message
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you provided the references

oh pardon me... for a moment i thought you were contributing more than an
opinion... i was mistaken

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francis

"DL" wrote in message
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I have contributed but you chose not to respond

there's nothing to respond to, your opinions don't interest me

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francis

Still will NEVER use them

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Nathan McNulty


francis gérard wrote:
for those wanting to know the FACTS (not conjecture) about driver updates
via Windows Update...

WU driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx

WU driver publishing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlog...ign/WinUp.mspx

WHQL testing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest/default.mspx

windows hardware test policies:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest.../policies.mspx

overview of driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/default.mspx

qualification service:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/GetStart/qualify.mspx

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francis