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updating drivers via WU - the facts
Windows Update is HORRIBLE for updating drivers.
NEVER use it... If it says a new driver is available, go to the manufacturers site and get it. "Nathan McNulty" wrote in message ... Still will NEVER use them francis gérard wrote: for those wanting to know the FACTS (not conjecture) about just how bad driver updates can go wrong with Windows Update... WU driver maintenance: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx WU driver publishing: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlog...ign/WinUp.mspx WHQL testing: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest/default.mspx windows hardware test policies: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest.../policies.mspx overview of driver maintenance: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/default.mspx qualification service: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/GetStart/qualify.mspx -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"Nathan McNulty" wrote in message ... Still will NEVER use them i can respect that, each to his own -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"Lerner" wrote in message news:NxwYc.265236$gE.241615@pd7tw3no... Windows Update is HORRIBLE for updating drivers. NEVER use it... If it says a new driver is available, go to the manufacturers site and get it. that's right... hit-n-run with an uninformed opinion and not bother to qualify your commentary with actual facts, even anecdotally i don't suppose you even bothered to follow this discussion thread either, or read any of the references i provided for your enlightenment yawn... -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"francis gérard" wrote in message ... "Lerner" wrote in message news:NxwYc.265236$gE.241615@pd7tw3no... Windows Update is HORRIBLE for updating drivers. NEVER use it... If it says a new driver is available, go to the manufacturers site and get it. that's right... hit-n-run with an uninformed opinion and not bother to qualify your commentary with actual facts, even anecdotally i don't suppose you even bothered to follow this discussion thread either, or read any of the references i provided for your enlightenment Nope... Just got here and since folks don't know how to quote then it's not my problem. ....and it's always better to get the drivers from the manufacturers website. Windows update is always at least one or two versions older than what is current. It even tries to downgrade your drivers. If you have the latest from the manufacturer, WU will still occasionally say that it has a newer driver than what is installed, yet it will be older than what's installed. |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"Lerner" wrote in message news:tNwYc.265406$gE.253612@pd7tw3no... Nope... Just got here and since folks don't know how to quote then it's not my problem. huh... what are you talking about? ...and it's always better to get the drivers from the manufacturers website. in most circumstances, yes Windows update is always at least one or two versions older than what is current. It even tries to downgrade your drivers. If you have the latest from the manufacturer, WU will still occasionally say that it has a newer driver than what is installed, yet it will be older than what's installed. patently FALSE... every word -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
Nope... Just got here and since folks don't know how to quote then it's
not my problem. huh... what are you talking about? ...and it's always better to get the drivers from the manufacturers website. in most circumstances, yes Windows update is always at least one or two versions older than what is current. It even tries to downgrade your drivers. If you have the latest from the manufacturer, WU will still occasionally say that it has a newer driver than what is installed, yet it will be older than what's installed. patently FALSE... every word Typical Frechman (no I'm not American) NOT false. Happened with my SBLive drivers AND ATI video drivers as well as various network card drivers. |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"Lerner" wrote in message news:UmxYc.262932$J06.251586@pd7tw2no... Typical Frechman (no I'm not American) haha... you assume too much, homer NOT false. Happened with my SBLive drivers AND ATI video drivers as well as various network card drivers. yup ok -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
Okay, since the original post is long gone...I'll have to just go on what
has been posted... When device drivers are posted on WU, they are not meant to replace the manufacturers drivers. When drivers are posted, they are posted for the benefit of enterprise installations on machines where the installation of third party is not allowed. Picture a company that needs to have all of it's computers (servers, workstations, etc) using the same installed base of drivers for the purpose of uniformity and maintenance. The drivers posted on WU are written to provide baseline functionality of the hardware they are written for. These drivers are meant for an IT department to incorporate into their infrastructure so that all machines are using a common driver base, and that they all have the same functionality. They are not meant to take the place of manufacturers drivers. If you are on a consumer computer, you should NEVER use device drivers posted on WU. you should ALWAYS use drivers supplied by the hardware manufacturer. Despite what others have posted, there are significant differences between the drivers posted on WU and the "same" drivers posted at the manufacturers website. If the posters who posted otherwise really had a clue, they would have immediately noticed that the drivers are different. Bobby "Lerner" wrote in message news:UmxYc.262932$J06.251586@pd7tw2no... Nope... Just got here and since folks don't know how to quote then it's not my problem. huh... what are you talking about? ...and it's always better to get the drivers from the manufacturers website. in most circumstances, yes Windows update is always at least one or two versions older than what is current. It even tries to downgrade your drivers. If you have the latest from the manufacturer, WU will still occasionally say that it has a newer driver than what is installed, yet it will be older than what's installed. patently FALSE... every word Typical Frechman (no I'm not American) NOT false. Happened with my SBLive drivers AND ATI video drivers as well as various network card drivers. |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ... Okay, since the original post is long gone...I'll have to just go on what has been posted... When device drivers are posted on WU, they are not meant to replace the manufacturers drivers. When drivers are posted, they are posted for the benefit of enterprise installations on machines where the installation of third party is not allowed. Picture a company that needs to have all of it's computers (servers, workstations, etc) using the same installed base of drivers for the purpose of uniformity and maintenance. The drivers posted on WU are written to provide baseline functionality of the hardware they are written for. These drivers are meant for an IT department to incorporate into their infrastructure so that all machines are using a common driver base, and that they all have the same functionality. They are not meant to take the place of manufacturers drivers. If you are on a consumer computer, you should NEVER use device drivers posted on WU. you should ALWAYS use drivers supplied by the hardware manufacturer. Despite what others have posted, there are significant differences between the drivers posted on WU and the "same" drivers posted at the manufacturers website. bobby, i don't know where you're getting your information, but most of it is simply not true, please refer to the references i posted for the *facts* about WU, not folklore and conjecture. i don't know where some of you are getting these urban legends about WU, but they are all patently false. -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
Francis;
I am not in the habit of posting folklore. The facts that I posted are true. The drivers are not meant to take the place of the drivers supplied by the manufacturers. Never have, never will. The drivers posted to WU are substantially different in the vast majority of cases. Printer drivers, scanner drivers, video drivers, etc. are only offered with base functionality on WU. They do not offer the advanced features that the drivers offered by the manufacturer. I challenge you, Francis, to prove otherwise. I am confident that you cannot find a single device driver on WU that is congruent with the "same" driver offered by the manufacturer. To try to tell those less knowledgeable that it is okay to install device drives from WU is nothing short of irresponsible. Bobby "francis gérard" wrote in message ... "NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ... Okay, since the original post is long gone...I'll have to just go on what has been posted... When device drivers are posted on WU, they are not meant to replace the manufacturers drivers. When drivers are posted, they are posted for the benefit of enterprise installations on machines where the installation of third party is not allowed. Picture a company that needs to have all of it's computers (servers, workstations, etc) using the same installed base of drivers for the purpose of uniformity and maintenance. The drivers posted on WU are written to provide baseline functionality of the hardware they are written for. These drivers are meant for an IT department to incorporate into their infrastructure so that all machines are using a common driver base, and that they all have the same functionality. They are not meant to take the place of manufacturers drivers. If you are on a consumer computer, you should NEVER use device drivers posted on WU. you should ALWAYS use drivers supplied by the hardware manufacturer. Despite what others have posted, there are significant differences between the drivers posted on WU and the "same" drivers posted at the manufacturers website. bobby, i don't know where you're getting your information, but most of it is simply not true, please refer to the references i posted for the *facts* about WU, not folklore and conjecture. i don't know where some of you are getting these urban legends about WU, but they are all patently false. -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ... Francis; I am not in the habit of posting folklore. The facts that I posted are true. The drivers are not meant to take the place of the drivers supplied by the manufacturers. Never have, never will. The drivers posted to WU are substantially different in the vast majority of cases. Printer drivers, scanner drivers, video drivers, etc. are only offered with base functionality on WU. They do not offer the advanced features that the drivers offered by the manufacturer. I challenge you, Francis, to prove otherwise. i already have... go back through this discussion thread and read my articles and the references i provided. i challenge YOU to prove otherwise. I am confident that you cannot find a single device driver on WU that is congruent with the "same" driver offered by the manufacturer. To try to tell those less knowledgeable that it is okay to install device drives from WU is nothing short of irresponsible. i am not in the habit of spreading bullsh*t, bobby, i always back-up my commentary with informed sources. -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
If Windows Update shows a driver for a Critical Update, go to the
hardware manufacturers website and get the latest driver from the manufacturer, NOT Windows Update. If Windows Update shows a driver in Driver Updates, again go to the hardware manufacturers website. Research the latest driver and determine if the changes will benefit your computer and install ONLY if you foresee a benefit. The fact is it is not uncommon to have older drivers at Windows Update. Since the manufacturers can immediately post their drivers to their own site with virtually no outside testing, almost always if not always the newest driver is available from the manufacturer before Windows Update. It has also happened that older drivers have been installed from Windows Update replacing the superior current driver previously installed from the manufacturer. It is best to use Windows Update as information ONLY about a driver and get the driver directly from the manufacturer to prevent problems. If you were really interested in this specific issue, you would have posted this to the Windows Update newsgroup where this subject comes up often instead of this less than appropriate newsgroup. Your links do nothing to prove Windows Update is better than the manufacturer. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Greg R" wrote in message ... Windows update notfies me I need this update. Size: 1.3 MB S3 Graphics, Inc. display software update released on May 26 2003. However, according to the device manager. I have this version. S3 Graphics, Inc. Driver Date 6/3/2004 Which is newer Greg R http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ |
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sp2 windows update bug?
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... If Windows Update shows a driver for a Critical Update, go to the hardware manufacturers website and get the latest driver from the manufacturer, NOT Windows Update. If Windows Update shows a driver in Driver Updates, again go to the hardware manufacturers website. Research the latest driver and determine if the changes will benefit your computer and install ONLY if you foresee a benefit. The fact is it is not uncommon to have older drivers at Windows Update. Since the manufacturers can immediately post their drivers to their own site with virtually no outside testing, almost always if not always the newest driver is available from the manufacturer before Windows Update. It has also happened that older drivers have been installed from Windows Update replacing the superior current driver previously installed from the manufacturer. It is best to use Windows Update as information ONLY about a driver and get the driver directly from the manufacturer to prevent problems. If you were really interested in this specific issue, you would have posted this to the Windows Update newsgroup where this subject comes up often instead of this less than appropriate newsgroup. Your links do nothing to prove Windows Update is better than the manufacturer. huh? i didn't state that they were better, i stated that WU drivers are perfectly safe to use, and have been regression tested and certified in microsoft's windows hardware quality labs, you couldn't have read the entire discussion thread. i invite you to READ what i said, and the links i provided about WHQL and drivers available via WU being an MVP does not make you an authority on the matter, and certainly not an expert -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
and tell me, Jupiter, is it just YOU or do all MVPs have a superiority complex? -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
Francis;
It has nothing to do with superiority. You are just wrong. You cannot accept the fact that several people have gently and eloquently stated as much. Bobby "francis gérard" wrote in message ... and tell me, Jupiter, is it just YOU or do all MVPs have a superiority complex? -- francis |
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