sp2 windows update bug?

Francis;

Please post appropriate links to your "informed sources".

The kind of misinformation you and your sources are perpetuating needs to
addressed.

Can't you just accept the fact that you are wrong? How many different
people have to tell you that before you accept it?

Bobby

"francis gérard" wrote in message
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"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
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Francis;

I am not in the habit of posting folklore.

The facts that I posted are true. The drivers are not meant to take the
place of the drivers supplied by the manufacturers. Never have, never
will. The drivers posted to WU are substantially different in the vast
majority of cases. Printer drivers, scanner drivers, video drivers, etc.
are only offered with base functionality on WU. They do not offer the
advanced features that the drivers offered by the manufacturer. I
challenge you, Francis, to prove otherwise.

i already have... go back through this discussion thread and read my
articles and the references i provided. i challenge YOU to prove
otherwise.

I am confident that you cannot find a single device driver on WU that is
congruent with the "same" driver offered by the manufacturer. To try to
tell those less knowledgeable that it is okay to install device drives
from WU is nothing short of irresponsible.

i am not in the habit of spreading bullsh*t, bobby, i always back-up my
commentary with informed sources.

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francis

francis;
Whatever you want to think, does not make it so.
My answer is based on years of first and second hand experience as
well as the articles you referenced and many others.
So far your opinion seems to be limited to only a few articles.

I never said I was an authority or expert, that is entirely your idea.

Your attempt at put downs in an effort to bolster your position are
noted and appropriately ignored.
They show your insecurity in your own position.
Whether the position has validity or not, you have just shown you are
not capable of supporting it.

Does this mean you are not taking this to the more appropriate
newsgroup as I suggested?
Is this because the actual facts are not of interest to you?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"francis gérard" wrote in message
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and tell me, Jupiter, is it just YOU or do all MVPs have a
superiority complex?

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francis

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
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Francis;

Please post appropriate links to your "informed sources".

The kind of misinformation you and your sources are perpetuating needs to
addressed.

bobby, the other day, you said, "Old habits die hard...but at least I
learned something today," in reference to the fact that you also didn't know
that modern chipsets support independent timing parameters for IDE devices.
is it possible that your knowledge-base, as it pertains to computer
technology, is a tad outdated, perhaps?

just a thought

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francis

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
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Francis;

It has nothing to do with superiority. You are just wrong. You cannot
accept the fact that several people have gently and eloquently stated as
much.

again, i submit...

bobby, the other day, you said, "Old habits die hard...but at least I
learned something today," in reference to the fact that you also didn't know
that modern chipsets support independent timing parameters for IDE devices.
is it possible that your knowledge-base, as it pertains to computer
technology, is a tad outdated, perhaps?
--
francis

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
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francis;
Whatever you want to think, does not make it so.
My answer is based on years of first and second hand experience as well as
the articles you referenced and many others.
So far your opinion seems to be limited to only a few articles.

not just opinions, JJ, also based on my extensive system-builder experience
and setting-up Windows systems, AND i did cite informed references, where
are yours?

I never said I was an authority or expert, that is entirely your idea.

i know that, it was sarcasm, meant to draw attention to the fact that MVPs
are not necessarily experts, and even they sometimes get it wrong

Your attempt at put downs in an effort to bolster your position are noted
and appropriately ignored.

yes, i see that... ;-)

They show your insecurity in your own position.

wow, you're not just an MVP know-it-all, but you're an armchair psychiatrist
too!

Whether the position has validity or not, you have just shown you are not
capable of supporting it.

i already have, and continue to do so

Does this mean you are not taking this to the more appropriate newsgroup
as I suggested?

oh, get off your high-horse, man... the MVP thing has really gone to your
head

Is this because the actual facts are not of interest to you?

i stated published facts

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francis

oh btw,

i'll be offline for a couple days, but when i get back, i'll expect you to
have googled-up some good references (know-it-alls tend to do that) to
support your assertions that installing drivers via WU is bad, JJ! ;-}

i didn't bother with google, i simply went straight to the source...
Microsoft's web site.

cheers
--
francis

Yes, but at least I admitted I was wrong...something you seem incapable of.

On my statements about WU drivers, I am correct, as others have also stated.


Bobby

"francis gérard" wrote in message
...

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...
Francis;

It has nothing to do with superiority. You are just wrong. You cannot
accept the fact that several people have gently and eloquently stated as
much.

again, i submit...

bobby, the other day, you said, "Old habits die hard...but at least I
learned something today," in reference to the fact that you also didn't
know that modern chipsets support independent timing parameters for IDE
devices. is it possible that your knowledge-base, as it pertains to
computer technology, is a tad outdated, perhaps?
--
francis

Frances;

your failure to provide proof of your "published" facts really puts you in a
bad position. Either post your links, or drink a BIG glass of STFU.

Bobby

"francis gérard" wrote in message
...

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
francis;
Whatever you want to think, does not make it so.
My answer is based on years of first and second hand experience as well
as the articles you referenced and many others.
So far your opinion seems to be limited to only a few articles.

not just opinions, JJ, also based on my extensive system-builder
experience and setting-up Windows systems, AND i did cite informed
references, where are yours?

I never said I was an authority or expert, that is entirely your idea.

i know that, it was sarcasm, meant to draw attention to the fact that MVPs
are not necessarily experts, and even they sometimes get it wrong

Your attempt at put downs in an effort to bolster your position are noted
and appropriately ignored.

yes, i see that... ;-)

They show your insecurity in your own position.

wow, you're not just an MVP know-it-all, but you're an armchair
psychiatrist too!

Whether the position has validity or not, you have just shown you are not
capable of supporting it.

i already have, and continue to do so

Does this mean you are not taking this to the more appropriate newsgroup
as I suggested?

oh, get off your high-horse, man... the MVP thing has really gone to your
head

Is this because the actual facts are not of interest to you?

i stated published facts

--
francis

See my other response to this question. Either post links to your sources,
or do us all a favor and quit acting like a spoiled 5 year old. In other
words, Put up or Shut up.

Bobby

"francis gérard" wrote in message
...

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...
Francis;

Please post appropriate links to your "informed sources".

The kind of misinformation you and your sources are perpetuating needs to
addressed.

bobby, the other day, you said, "Old habits die hard...but at least I
learned something today," in reference to the fact that you also didn't
know that modern chipsets support independent timing parameters for IDE
devices. is it possible that your knowledge-base, as it pertains to
computer technology, is a tad outdated, perhaps?

just a thought

--
francis

Your continued name calling only proves my previous posts.
Your sarcasm would not be necessary to boost your position if you were
capable and confident in it.

If you would go to the correct forum as suggested, you would see
actual first hand proof instead you insist on this incorrect forum.
But I guess you may be afraid "the source" may not match your
preconceived version of reality.

More of your assumptions proved false.
Good bye, enjoy your vacation.
Come back when you can do converse civilly without insulting , until
then you are best ignored.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"francis gérard" wrote in message
...
oh btw,

i'll be offline for a couple days, but when i get back, i'll expect
you to have googled-up some good references (know-it-alls tend to do
that) to support your assertions that installing drivers via WU is
bad, JJ! ;-}

i didn't bother with google, i simply went straight to the source...
Microsoft's web site.

cheers
--
francis

This almost made me do a spit-take with the tea I was drinking...

Here he is running with his tail between his legs and then challenges US to
prove what he already knows to be true.

One last challenge...post your sources from Microsoft's website. It you can
show me one single shred of proof that the Drivers on WU are meant as
replacements for the manufacturers drivers, have the same functionality, and
support all the extended functions that the manufacturers drivers can offer,
I will apologize to you in this forum for the world to see. You cannot cite
a single source to back up your "published facts". Despite repeated
requests to post your sources, you have not done so. Do us a favor...stay
offline.

Bobby

"francis gérard" wrote in message
...
oh btw,

i'll be offline for a couple days, but when i get back, i'll expect you to
have googled-up some good references (know-it-alls tend to do that) to
support your assertions that installing drivers via WU is bad, JJ! ;-}

i didn't bother with google, i simply went straight to the source...
Microsoft's web site.

cheers
--
francis

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
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See my other response to this question. Either post links to your
sources, or do us all a favor and quit acting like a spoiled 5 year old.
In other words, Put up or Shut up.

i have provided extensive information on the matter, based on my
professional experience and the 6 links i posted in this thread, it's not my
problem you can't follow a discussion.

obviously, some (many) of you have religious feelings over this, but i've
stated my position very clearly, i did not say that hardware vendor's
drivers are superceded by those posted to WU, i merely stated that they were
tested, certified and safe to use. that has been my experience (as a
system-builder), without exception, and is supported by information
published by microsoft, which i referenced already, had you bothered to read
it.

no hard feelings, eh BadDog! ;-

see you in a couple days
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francis

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
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Your continued name calling only proves my previous posts.
Your sarcasm would not be necessary to boost your position if you were
capable and confident in it.

i am very confident in my position, based on my professional experience and
microsoft published facts. i don't need to boost my position, and i'm sorry
if sarcasm escapes you, and why is it that these things turn into a who's
right ****ing contest? if my experiences with drivers via WU were not good,
i would not be wasting my time stating otherwise... think about it. if i am
wrong about WU, then someone should also inform microsoft.

If you would go to the correct forum as suggested, you would see actual
first hand proof instead you insist on this incorrect forum.
But I guess you may be afraid "the source" may not match your preconceived
version of reality.

JJ, i *already* posted SIX references, direct from microsoft, my god, why
can't you people learn to READ a discussion thread??? this is really
getting frustrating, as so many of you seem incapable of following a simple
discussion, informing yourselves of ALL the facts before jumping-in with a
hit-n-run post and then have the nerve to get on my case because YOU
couldn't be bothered to go back and read what i said.

More of your assumptions proved false.
Good bye, enjoy your vacation.

work trip actually, thanks

Come back when you can do converse civilly without insulting , until then
you are best ignored.

do as you will JJ... i'll not lose any sleep

having said that... goodnite gentle-people
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francis

JJ, relax man, i'm only giving you a hard-time over MVP thing, cause i think
the MVP designation is silly, at best. however, i also realize you are a
valuable contributor to these NGs, we simply disagree on this matter

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
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Frances;

your failure to provide proof of your "published" facts really puts you in
a bad position. Either post your links, or drink a BIG glass of STFU.

i already have... fix your newsreader

--
francis

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...
This almost made me do a spit-take with the tea I was drinking...

Here he is running with his tail between his legs and then challenges US
to prove what he already knows to be true.

One last challenge...post your sources from Microsoft's website. It you
can show me one single shred of proof that the Drivers on WU are meant as
replacements for the manufacturers drivers, have the same functionality,
and support all the extended functions that the manufacturers drivers can
offer, I will apologize to you in this forum for the world to see. You
cannot cite a single source to back up your "published facts". Despite
repeated requests to post your sources, you have not done so. Do us a
favor...stay offline.

you're a hoot bobby, calm your nerves, and fix your newsreader, the
references are posted already. i could re-post them, but i'm not going to
oblige your unwillingness to read the entire discussion thread.
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francis