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  #31  
Old September 8th 04, 05:46 PM
ToolPackinMama
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

Since SP-2 includes all the Critical Updates included with SP-1, there
is no need to include updates or SP-1 with SP-2.
Windows XP with SP-2 easily fits on one CD.


Maybe so, but that's still only the OS. It doesn't include a full
office suite like Open Office, plus hundreds (thousands? of additional
applications, utilities, compilers, games, etc. including GIMP.
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Old September 8th 04, 05:48 PM
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JAD wrote:

Why would it need those? compilers for what....its a work in progress
granted, but there is no need for the end user to have to use
compilers. It come with the utilities it needs..xinux needs all those?


Linux gives the end-user more freedom, control, and choices. Most
desktop PC end-users won't use all of that freedom, control and choices,
but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be made available to them.
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Old September 8th 04, 05:49 PM
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

Since SP-2 includes all the Critical Updates included with SP-1,
there is no need to include updates or SP-1 with SP-2.
Windows XP with SP-2 easily fits on one CD.


Maybe so, but that's still only the OS. It doesn't include a full
office suite like Open Office, plus hundreds (thousands? of additional
applications, utilities, compilers, games, etc. including GIMP.


That was not in the statement posted by you that these responses are for.
Your post was inane and showed that you don't know anything about Windows and
its updates.


You're a typical linux****.
Linux makes you stupid.
All linux users (lusers) are gay.

  #34  
Old September 8th 04, 05:52 PM
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
JAD wrote:

Why would it need those? compilers for what....its a work in
progress granted, but there is no need for the end user to have to
use compilers. It come with the utilities it needs..xinux needs all
those?


Linux gives the end-user more freedom, control, and choices. Most
desktop PC end-users won't use all of that freedom, control and
choices, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be made available to
them.


No, linux doesn't have support for modern peripherals and the end-users are
supposed to write their own drivers and relink the kernel. That's why linux
bundles tools needed by linux, and Windows don't because they are unneeded.

You're a typical linux****.
Linux makes you stupid.
All linux users (lusers) are gay.

  #35  
Old September 8th 04, 06:02 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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But that is what you were saying "for the OS alone"
Your entire sentence is listed below to refresh your memory on what
you wrote.

"Windows XP would fill several CDs if you included SP1 all the
patches, and SP2, but
that wouldn't include hundreds of applications, that would just be for
the OS alone."
The above statement is obviously wrong.

As for Office games etc, that all depends on what you install.
This is not unique to windows or any other OS.
A basic fact applies to all...the more you install, the larger it is
and the more CDs will be needed.

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"ToolPackinMama" wrote in message
Maybe so, but that's still only the OS. It doesn't include a full
office suite like Open Office, plus hundreds (thousands? of
additional
applications, utilities, compilers, games, etc. including GIMP.



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Old September 8th 04, 06:59 PM
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"JAD" wrote in message
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would there be much of a difference between the size of the OS with or
without the service 0 0. installed? has anybody looked to see if the
'size' grows -dramatically- with the install of the PSS. I realize
that the delivery size is 'x' megs but after the SP is applied, the
install folders and all unneeded / duplicate files are deleted. The
fact is I'm not sure if there are files ADDED as much as they are
overwritten? Went to check the size of my backup compared to the size
currently on the HD, No go as the backup now contains the SP. (been
awhile now since I installed it on the Granddaughters Machine)


I've just had a look at the CD's, installs will vary greatly from machine to
machine due to different hardware and installed options.

WinXP PRO SP1
6658 Files
159 Folders
560,745,861 bytes

WinXP PRO SP2
6999 Files
204 Folders
649,015,872 bytes

So not that much difference really, I may do a 'diff' from my linux box to
see how many of the original files were changed, If I get the time later.

HTH

--
Apollo


  #37  
Old September 8th 04, 08:48 PM
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On 7 Sep 2004 15:39:28 -0700, [Aquila Deus] said :-

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ...
First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2
consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It
replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct
security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major
elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then.
It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame)
version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up
blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook
express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection
that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS
after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code.
It does so much more than you can "see".


But:
- It stills use a lot of RAM
- It's still as slow as it used to be
- Still has virus, adware and spyware!


What a complete load of hogwash.
  #38  
Old September 8th 04, 09:57 PM
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SOP for any software house to do a rollup.

and now SP2 (272 mb).


Same thing, except it also adds new functionality that's almost enough to
have been called WindowsXP SE and sold as a new release.


OK, what can you do with SP2 that couldn't be done before? I've heard it
turns on the XP firewall which was always there, but you should WANT to turn
that one off anyway, if you have a decent firewall. I'm curious. What can
SP2 users do that I can't? (typing this on SP1a) -Dave


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Old September 8th 04, 09:59 PM
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"Toad" wrote in message
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Dave C. wrote:



- Where is tabbed interface for IE?


It's called Mozilla. -Dave


or Crazy Browser, GreenBrowser, MyIE2, DeepNet which are all free
front-ends to IE with tabbed interfaces and include pop-up blockers too.

toad


To borrow a line from a recent movie I saw on Showtime . . .

Sometimes you have to tear something down to rebuild it.

Which is my way of saying the easiest way to fix something as broken as IE
is to replace it with something decent. -Dave


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Old September 8th 04, 10:01 PM
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At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux distros
are 3 700MB ISO files


So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.


Not to mention gobs of free software. Imagine if Microsoft released Windows
with all the Office Applications. It would fit nicely on one DVD,
hough. -Dave


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Old September 8th 04, 10:03 PM
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"JAD" wrote in message
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Why would it need those? compilers for what....its a work in progress
granted, but there is no need for the end user to have to use
compilers. It come with the utilities it needs..xinux needs all those?


The last time I installed a recent linux distro, it did come on 3 CDs, but I
only needed the first one to fully install the OS and gobs of free software.
The other 2 CDs were the developer stuff. -Dave


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Old September 8th 04, 10:19 PM
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Dave C. wrote:

SOP for any software house to do a rollup.


and now SP2 (272 mb).


Same thing, except it also adds new functionality that's almost enough to
have been called WindowsXP SE and sold as a new release.



OK, what can you do with SP2 that couldn't be done before? I've heard it
turns on the XP firewall which was always there, but you should WANT to turn
that one off anyway, if you have a decent firewall. I'm curious. What can
SP2 users do that I can't? (typing this on SP1a) -Dave



There are a lot of changes with SP2. See this link for detailed info.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx

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Old September 9th 04, 12:34 AM
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OK, what can you do with SP2 that couldn't be done before? I've heard

it
turns on the XP firewall which was always there, but you should WANT to

turn
that one off anyway, if you have a decent firewall. I'm curious. What

can
SP2 users do that I can't? (typing this on SP1a) -Dave



There are a lot of changes with SP2. See this link for detailed info.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx


OK, I just reviewed the top ten reasons to upgrade to SP2. Of the top ten
reasons, EIGHT of those reasons can be done better by other software, most
(all?) of it freeware. You don't need SP2. The only improvement I see
there in the TOP TEN reasons is the improved wireless support. But my
wireless connections are working great now. Basically, it looks like ~200MB
of nothing. -Dave


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Old September 9th 04, 01:39 AM
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ToolPackinMama wrote:

Paul wrote:

Toad wrote:

Mixxy wrote:



Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why
is it so large?


At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux distros
are 3 700MB ISO files


So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.



Good lord, yes. Linux comes with hundreds of programs. Windows XP
would fill several CDs if you included SP1 all the patches, and SP2,


No, a slipstreamed SP2 Windows XP CD, which includes all updates, is just
one plain ole' CD. Less than full at that.

but
that wouldn't include hundreds of applications, that would just be for
the OS alone.


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Old September 9th 04, 01:52 AM
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Dave C. wrote:

SOP for any software house to do a rollup.


and now SP2 (272 mb).


Same thing, except it also adds new functionality that's almost enough to
have been called WindowsXP SE and sold as a new release.



OK, what can you do with SP2 that couldn't be done before? I've heard it
turns on the XP firewall which was always there, but you should WANT to turn
that one off anyway, if you have a decent firewall.


The typical user tends to take the O.S. 'as is' and, in that case, having a
built in firewall is a distinct improvement (and so is something as simple
as defaulting it to 'on'). SP2 also 'prods' (or nags, depending on your
point of view) the typical user about various security risks.

I'm curious. What can
SP2 users do that I can't? (typing this on SP1a) -Dave


Given enough time, knowledge, and resources one can always do just about
'anything' with just about any computer but that isn't the issue. The
'advantage' is that nothing else 'need' be done in those particular areas
or rather that, for the typical user who normally does nothing else, it
improves security.



 




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