SP2??

Who would pay them many of them are useless anyway.

Testy

"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
...

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
They also do not have any obligation to promote any Microsoft product
or patch.

So I guess all the MVPs in here get paid to do this?

Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software. There =
is an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is altruistic enough =
to turn down anything from MS, in lieu of voluntary services given.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...
MVPs do not get paid.
Everything an MVP does is completely voluntary:
=
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...S;mvpfaqs&sty=
le=3Dflat
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--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
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=20
"John R. Sellers" wrote in message=20
news:Tf-dnah0O9iSAsrcRVn- So I guess all the MVPs in here get paid to =

do this?=20
=20

After reading your posts in this thread, it is clear you want to find =
the wrong answers of others in attempts to convince yourself what you =
"DON'T" need. Do yourself a favor, don't install it, and be happy; no =
one here is going to make anymore than one attempt at convincing someone =
who will argue against all possible reasoning, as to the reasons why =
they "DON'T" need something.

"Mary Alice" wrote in message =
...
Preparation my Axx!!
=20
If a user had taken Microsoft's lying word and turned on Automatic =
Updates
when it first became available, trusted his computer updates to them, =
as the
Automatic Update implies, they would have NO idea that preparation, of =
any
sort/kind, was not only recommended but demanded prior to sp2 install.
=20
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=20
"Rock" wrote in message
...
Patty wrote:

After reading so many horror stories about SP2 in these newsgroups, =
I'm
kind
of sceptical about downloading it. Is it truly necessary to =
download it
or
am I safe as long as I have SP1 and keep my Windows Updates - =
Updated??
Is there any necessary steps that should be taken before SP2 is
downloaded??
Such as, turning off your AV program or Firewall? Any help here =
would
be
appreciated. Patty



Preparation is the key to a successful upgrade, Patty. =
Notwithstanding
the problems posted to this group, the upgrade goes fine for the vast
majority of users. Backup your system before hand, which is =
something
you should be doing all the time, anyway. If something goes wrong =
sp2
can be easily uninstalled, and we are here to help if you have =
questions
and/or issues. Don't be afraid of something just based on the words =
of
some vocal nay sayers.

Installing Service Packs
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

Pre-Install, Install, Cleaning Up Afterwards
http://forum.aumha.org/viewforum.php?f=3D45

What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack =
2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

Get the Latest Updates and Information from Your PC Manufacturer =
Before
Installing Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/oemlinks.mspx

The hard disk space requirements for Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=3D837783

Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2

=
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...in/sp2chngs.m=
spx

Windows XP Service Pack 2: What's New for Internet Explorer and =
Outlook
Express
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...eoverview.mspx

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Ken Blake wrote:


With SP2, you're dealing mostly with fixes and security issues.

The one that gets overlooked often is the way it has gone through and
replaced all the many modules that are capable of having 'buffer
over-runs' with ones that have this prevented. That is the major reason
it is so big. And these over-runs have been central to very many of the
vulnerabilities that have then had individual patches. So without in
any way saying it has proofed the system against future attacks, it has
certainly plugged many places that might be picked up to attack non-SP2
systems


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

Tom;
"perks" is not the same as "paid"
Get a dictionary and learn the difference.
If you are "paid" there is also an obligation.
The thank-you gift comes with no obligation or strings attached.
It is also for the year past with no obligation for the future.
You should really read the link I gave in my last post.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...
Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software.
There is an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is
altruistic enough to turn down anything from MS, in lieu of voluntary
services given.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
MVPs do not get paid.
Everything an MVP does is completely voluntary:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...aqs&style=flat

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
news:Tf-dnah0O9iSAsrcRVn- So I guess all the MVPs in here get paid
to
do this?

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
That is an interesting place to get WRONG information.

So tell us, then, why ya'll are ramming an apparently FUBAR service pack
down our throats?

"Tom" wrote in message
...
Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software. There is
an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is altruistic enough to
turn down anything from MS, in lieu of voluntary services given.

So they get free what we pay for. Oh yeah, that's fair.

If "ramming an apparently FUBAR service pack down our throats?" blame
that on the person between the keyboard and chair on your computer.
That is where the power of installation lies.

As far as "FUBAR" that is a matter of opinion and largely the health
of the computer before starting, again the person between the keyboard
and chair.
Blame that person if SP-2 is installed and you do not want it.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
...
So tell us, then, why ya'll are ramming an apparently FUBAR service
pack
down our throats?

I never said you, or any MVP got paid. I simply countered the difference =
in getting perks for being MS MVPs. Learn the difference in =
argumentation! If you had read (again, this is why top posting if =
frowned upon), I replied to John, and not you.

Your reference to me needing a dictionary shows kind of person you are =
(just using your example as you do like a mantra when someone makes =
similar comments to you).

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...
Tom;
"perks" is not the same as "paid"
Get a dictionary and learn the difference.
If you are "paid" there is also an obligation.
The thank-you gift comes with no obligation or strings attached.
It is also for the year past with no obligation for the future.
You should really read the link I gave in my last post.
=20
--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
=20
=20
"Tom" wrote in message=20
...
Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software.=20
There is an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is=20
altruistic enough to turn down anything from MS, in lieu of voluntary=20
services given.
=20
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message=20
...
MVPs do not get paid.
Everything an MVP does is completely voluntary:
=
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...S;mvpfaqs&sty=
le=3Dflat

--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
news:Tf-dnah0O9iSAsrcRVn- So I guess all the MVPs in here get paid=20
to
do this?=20
=20

Tom;
You may be replying to John, but you replied to my post.
Top or bottom posting will not change the post you reply.
You apparently selected the wrong post.
Look at the threading, still on this very post.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...
I never said you, or any MVP got paid. I simply countered the
difference in getting perks for being MS MVPs. Learn the difference in
argumentation! If you had read (again, this is why top posting if
frowned upon), I replied to John, and not you.

Your reference to me needing a dictionary shows kind of person you are
(just using your example as you do like a mantra when someone makes
similar comments to you).

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Tom;
"perks" is not the same as "paid"
Get a dictionary and learn the difference.
If you are "paid" there is also an obligation.
The thank-you gift comes with no obligation or strings attached.
It is also for the year past with no obligation for the future.
You should really read the link I gave in my last post.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...
Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software.
There is an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is
altruistic enough to turn down anything from MS, in lieu of
voluntary
services given.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
MVPs do not get paid.
Everything an MVP does is completely voluntary:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...aqs&style=flat

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
news:Tf-dnah0O9iSAsrcRVn- So I guess all the MVPs in here get paid
to
do this?

Then learn the difference between perks and paid (as you stated to me, =
and the fact that you could reason that my previous post would not have =
pertained to yours. Your ad-hominem still shows your character!

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...
Tom;
You may be replying to John, but you replied to my post.
Top or bottom posting will not change the post you reply.
You apparently selected the wrong post.
Look at the threading, still on this very post.
=20
--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
=20
=20
"Tom" wrote in message=20
...
I never said you, or any MVP got paid. I simply countered the=20
difference in getting perks for being MS MVPs. Learn the difference in =

argumentation! If you had read (again, this is why top posting if=20
frowned upon), I replied to John, and not you.
=20
Your reference to me needing a dictionary shows kind of person you are =

(just using your example as you do like a mantra when someone makes=20
similar comments to you).
=20
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message=20
...
Tom;
"perks" is not the same as "paid"
Get a dictionary and learn the difference.
If you are "paid" there is also an obligation.
The thank-you gift comes with no obligation or strings attached.
It is also for the year past with no obligation for the future.
You should really read the link I gave in my last post.

--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...
Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software.
There is an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is
altruistic enough to turn down anything from MS, in lieu of=20
voluntary
services given.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
MVPs do not get paid.
Everything an MVP does is completely voluntary:
=
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...S;mvpfaqs&sty=
le=3Dflat

--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
news:Tf-dnah0O9iSAsrcRVn- So I guess all the MVPs in here get paid
to
do this?

=20
=20

In ,
John R. Sellers typed:

"Ken Blake" wrote in message

With SP2, you're dealing mostly with fixes and security
issues.
Think of it like the seatbelts or airbag in your car. Do you
want
to say that you don't "need" a seatbelt or an airbag?

Lemme tell you what I told Alex: I get the feeling you're
saying this
because you work for them.


Nope, I don't work for Microsoft, or anyone else. I've been
retired for almost twelve years. The MVP title is an award for
providing accurate answers on the newsgroups. MVPs are
volunteers, not Microsoft employees.

I say what I believe to be correct, regardless of what Microsoft
says. In some cases, it's the same as what Microsoft says, in
others it's not. As a single example, I've several times said
here that I think WordPerfect is a better word processor than
Microsoft Word.


As I said B4, I have ZoneAlarm, I have
AVG, I have DCOMbobulator, and every check I do @ GRCs 'Sheilds
Up'
gets a passing grade
of TruStealth.


Glad to hear it.


Why would I need it?


Because it contains bug fixes over and above the more
highly-publicized new features. And because there is no downside
to installing it.

But I won't argue with you about it. It's your computer, and you
are free to install or not install whatever you want.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

I could not tell you were not replying to me since you posted
incorrectly.
It seemed as you had replied to me until you said otherwise.
Nothing in that post suggested you were not replying to me.

As for the difference, I know the difference, after all I said you
were wrong when it seemed like you were equating perks and paid.

You may need to read the ENTIRE thread again.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...
Then learn the difference between perks and paid (as you stated to me,
and the fact that you could reason that my previous post would not
have pertained to yours. Your ad-hominem still shows your character!

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Tom;
You may be replying to John, but you replied to my post.
Top or bottom posting will not change the post you reply.
You apparently selected the wrong post.
Look at the threading, still on this very post.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...
I never said you, or any MVP got paid. I simply countered the
difference in getting perks for being MS MVPs. Learn the difference
in
argumentation! If you had read (again, this is why top posting if
frowned upon), I replied to John, and not you.

Your reference to me needing a dictionary shows kind of person you
are
(just using your example as you do like a mantra when someone makes
similar comments to you).

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Tom;
"perks" is not the same as "paid"
Get a dictionary and learn the difference.
If you are "paid" there is also an obligation.
The thank-you gift comes with no obligation or strings attached.
It is also for the year past with no obligation for the future.
You should really read the link I gave in my last post.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...
Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software.
There is an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is
altruistic enough to turn down anything from MS, in lieu of
voluntary
services given.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in
message
...
MVPs do not get paid.
Everything an MVP does is completely voluntary:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...aqs&style=flat

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
news:Tf-dnah0O9iSAsrcRVn- So I guess all the MVPs in here get
paid
to
do this?

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...

Blame that person if SP-2 is installed and you do not want it.

Why would I blame myself for choosing not to install a package that I do not
have a need for.

Read my post again.
Do not miss "if SP-2 is installed"


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
news:_IqdnW7jGuaIEMXcRVn- Why would I blame myself for choosing not
to install a package that I do not
have a need for.