sp2 to sp1

Maybe Steve N could be a little nicer, but Carey does have a habit of
spouting off about things he is totally incorrect about, and then trying to
make the ones who are correcting him look foolish. I knew a guy in
high-school like that one, after he got his butt kicked a few times in
college, he quit doing it - strange how that works (not saying we should
kick Carey's butt either), just Carey needs to focus more on "QUALITY" than
"QUANTITY".

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"Stephen" wrote in message
...
Steve N. wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.


Now how can I put this mildly?...

I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair
install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is
now running XP Pro SP1.

You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've
proven you wrong once again.

You don't deserve the MVP title.

Steve

"Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but
that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover
everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little
harsh,
at least in my opinion.

Star Fleet Admiral Q wrote:

Maybe Steve N could be a little nicer, but Carey does have a habit of
spouting off about things he is totally incorrect about, and then trying to
make the ones who are correcting him look foolish. I knew a guy in
high-school like that one, after he got his butt kicked a few times in
college, he quit doing it - strange how that works (not saying we should
kick Carey's butt either), just Carey needs to focus more on "QUALITY" than
"QUANTITY".


Carey doesn't pay attention to "nice". But don't take my word for it,
take his.

-Steve


Carey Frisch [MVP] Oct 10 2004, 3:59 pm
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:59:52 -0500
Local: Sun,Oct 10 2004 3:59 pm
Subject: You give MVPs a bad name

Steve wrote:

"

Look, Carey, I'm not really trying to attack you personally, but
dog-gone it, you have got some really bad habits and I and others have
tried in various ways to point them out to you. Are you really so dense
and/or egotistical to summarily dismiss such criticisms without
considering that some of them may actually have valid points that you
might be able to learn something from and (heaven forbid!) actually
IMPROVE your performance here? Come on! Nobody can possibly be that
arrogantly egotistical to believe they are as perfect as you apparently
believe yourself to be. No one is above reproach, not even you.
I dare you to be honest

.."

My reply:

Indeed, many of the criticisms of my contributions to the Microsoft
newsgroups
do not fall on deaf ears. I sometimes get a bit cranky, edgy,
defensive, etc., put then
I reflect back and do my best to make adjustments. And believe it or
not, it was
some of the harshest and/or sarcastic criticisms that made me take note!
I am also
a Taurus, and as a stubborn "bull", I'm a bit slow to readjust.
Apparently, I was
nominated twice for an MVP award a few years ago, but never got it. I made
some significant adjustments and finally earned the award, but it took a lot
of determined effort. Now that I have earned the award, it is incumbent
upon me
to become even more proficient and accurate with my posts, and to
reflect a positive
attitude toward Microsoft and Microsoft products (although I'm not at
all pressured
to do so). So, there you have it.

--

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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Dilip wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Dilip wrote:
Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk
altogether?

Yes.

Well yes, then, of course this would work.

Not according to Carey. He categorically denied that it would work.

The problem might be
getting one of those disks from the manufacturer.

"Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation?"

One would presume that the OP already had access to the SP1 CD, if
he was asking whether is could help in downgrading to SP2 to SP1.


Ah, but in the reply to Jupiter's post, the OP says this
The dell pc came pre-installed with sp2.

So it's a pretty new piece, and he wouldn't have the SP1 SS disk...

And if you read futher in his reply to Juppy, it sounds like a work PC
where they probably do have access to an earily XP install CD.

"All pre-sp2 pcs work fine."




There was never a
doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed
with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and
done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations :-). The
real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2
disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about.
Has anyone tried this?

I don't see that as a relevant question in this thread. But I doubt
an OEM would supply any CD media that it is not required to supply.


I realize that it may be off topic, but it is related; I hope you
vouch for it ;-) My point is that it will not be easy.

And I definitely agree with your point, but I still doubt it is relevant
to this particular situation.



I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time?

Nope.

No surprises there; we all know it 8-).

LOL! At least most of us know it.


No surprises there for any of the regulars, I'm sure. It seems to be
perfectly succinct that Carey's misinformed and ill-researched posts
are, and have been deleterious, not only to the OP, but also to the
rest of the group. Thanks to all who have posted their empirical
data. Original posts are greatly appreciated.

Yep, they definitely are! Take care, Dilip!

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John wrote:

yes, it was already set to passive.

regards

You have my sincere symapthies. I have also run into problems with SP2
and networking that I've been unable to resolve. There are things that
SP2 obviously changes in networking that are just not documented that I
can find (and I'm pretty damn thorough in my researches). For me rolling
back to SP1 has been the only solution for several strange networking
issues.

Steve


"Steve N." wrote in message
ink.net...

John wrote:


I have got a couple of new pcs coming in the same configuration. If I
repair-install with sp1 before installing any app, would that work?
Obviously I can always completely wipe off and start with sp1 on a pc but
whatever is quickest.

Regards

Did you try setting FTP to passive mode as I suggested?

Steve


"lucyfer" wrote in message
...


Hi John,

I noticed that your SP2 is pre-installed ,so cannot be removed
separatedly.
"John"
.gbl...


Would any of these method required re-installing apps?

Thanks

Regards

"S.Sengupta" wrote in message
. ..


How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875350

regards,
ssg MS-MVP

John wrote:



Hi

Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation? Ideally I
would like to retain all apps during the process if possible.

Thanks

Regards

Steve N. wrote:
John wrote:

yes, it was already set to passive.

regards

You have my sincere symapthies. I have also run into problems with SP2
and networking that I've been unable to resolve. There are things that
SP2 obviously changes in networking that are just not documented that
I can find (and I'm pretty damn thorough in my researches). For me
rolling back to SP1 has been the only solution for several strange
networking issues.


Luckily, he can fairly easily roll back to SP1, as longas you don't
listen to Carey or the devil! One in the same? ;-)

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If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.
I do not respond to trolls.

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Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
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"Steve N." wrote:

| Steve N. wrote:
|
| kurttrail wrote:
|
| lucyfer wrote:
|
| Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience.
|
|
|
| Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve.
| And so did R. McCarty.
|
|
| I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it.
|
| Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind.
|
| Steve
|
|
| I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather
| quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of
| fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an
| upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP
| Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same.
|
|
| All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and
| are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on
| matters of opinion, I respect them.
|
| You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?!
|
|
| This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up
| sooner or later.
|
| Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual.
| If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring
| around here.
|
| Steve

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.

He did and you repeated the same crap which was proven wrong by three
other people, one another MVP.

I do not respond to trolls.


Excuse me? Are you calling me a troll now?

Respond to the proof that you were wrong.

Steve


Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Steve N." wrote:

| Steve N. wrote:
|
| kurttrail wrote:
|
| lucyfer wrote:
|
| Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience.
|
|
|
| Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve.
| And so did R. McCarty.
|
|
| I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it.
|
| Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind.
|
| Steve
|
|
| I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather
| quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of
| fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an
| upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP
| Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same.
|
|
| All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and
| are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on
| matters of opinion, I respect them.
|
| You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?!
|
|
| This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up
| sooner or later.
|
| Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual.
| If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring
| around here.
|
| Steve

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.
I do not respond to trolls.

What's you talkin' bout Willis?

If you are calling Steve a troll, you just responded to him by saying
you do not respond to trolls! If you are talkin' about me, you
responded to me earlier in this thread, despite you telling me "Asta la
Vista" months ago!

This is the recent post in this thread where you responded to me:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...50a2c3206dfb66

And this is the post you promised that I was on your blocked senders
list!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...9c41ed96396dd0

So if you meant either Steve or Me, you just made a bigger fool of
yourself than you already are!

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"Carey Pinch [MVP]" wrote in message

If the PoPee has a follow-up question, I will respond.
I do not respond to trolls.

--
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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Don't get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Retard Security Technologies:
http://www.pcbanter.net/printthread.php?t=773670

troll..........

http://www.cpfeifer.org/archives/000239.html

http://www.airdisaster.com/forums/ar...p/t-67140.html

Steve N. wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.

He did and you repeated the same crap which was proven wrong by three
other people, one another MVP.

Yeah, the OP emailed me, and he wants to know why Carey has his head up
his ass? Carey can you respond to that? ;-)


I do not respond to trolls.


Excuse me? Are you calling me a troll now?

I'm not certain, but it can only logically be you or me.


Respond to the proof that you were wrong.

I'd pay to see that!

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nospam wrote:

troll..........

http://www.cpfeifer.org/archives/000239.html

http://www.airdisaster.com/forums/ar...p/t-67140.html

MSN Penguins feast on Linux Penguin brains!
http://microscum.com/misc/BS/msnpenguins.gif

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Go Carey, good start.

Now find some flimsy evidence of trolling and post that.
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Steve N. wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.


He did and you repeated the same crap which was proven wrong by three
other people, one another MVP.

I do not respond to trolls.


Excuse me? Are you calling me a troll now?

Respond to the proof that you were wrong.

Steve

Figures. A few days have elapsed with no resonse from you when
confronted. You are not only a liar and a fraud, but a coward as well.
Several of us have proven you to be wrong on this. Own up to to it, or
sacrifice your teetering if not nose-diving credibility, Carey.

Until then, you are nothing more than another a-hole with a modem.

As I've said before, you give MVPs a bad name.

Steve

Steve N. wrote:
Steve N. wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.


He did and you repeated the same crap which was proven wrong by three
other people, one another MVP.

I do not respond to trolls.


Excuse me? Are you calling me a troll now?

Respond to the proof that you were wrong.

Steve

Figures. A few days have elapsed with no resonse from you when
confronted. You are not only a liar and a fraud, but a coward as well.
Several of us have proven you to be wrong on this. Own up to to it, or
sacrifice your teetering if not nose-diving credibility, Carey.

Until then, you are nothing more than another a-hole with a modem.

As I've said before, you give MVPs a bad name.

Steve

I second that emotion!

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kurttrail wrote:

Steve N. wrote:

Steve N. wrote:


Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:


If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.


He did and you repeated the same crap which was proven wrong by three
other people, one another MVP.


I do not respond to trolls.


Excuse me? Are you calling me a troll now?

Respond to the proof that you were wrong.

Steve

Figures. A few days have elapsed with no resonse from you when
confronted. You are not only a liar and a fraud, but a coward as well.
Several of us have proven you to be wrong on this. Own up to to it, or
sacrifice your teetering if not nose-diving credibility, Carey.

Until then, you are nothing more than another a-hole with a modem.

As I've said before, you give MVPs a bad name.

Steve


I second that emotion!


He's probably plonked me now, too.
The utimate defence of a usenet coward.

Steve