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Old May 29th 05, 05:12 PM
Carey Frisch [MVP]
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If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

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"R. McCarty" wrote:

| I think the point of contention is that if you perform a "Repair" install
| with any earlier XP version disk, you will remove whatever SP level
| existed. But you are right that embedded or Slipstreamed disks do
| not have a SP roll-back capability.

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Old May 29th 05, 05:25 PM
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.


Please somebody, ask him if he has tried this himself? He won't see
this post of mine.

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Old May 29th 05, 05:36 PM
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If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?

"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.


Please somebody, ask him if he has tried this himself? He won't see this
post of mine.

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Old May 29th 05, 06:16 PM
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R. McCarty wrote:
If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?


Last time I tried it was with a SP1 install and a RTM CD, and the repair
install did the "downgrade" with no problems. I would assume it would
work the same with a SP2 install and a SP1 or RTM CD.

My problem with Carey is that he often spouts info that he has heard,
and has never tried himself.

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Old May 29th 05, 06:41 PM
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Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?".

A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If the
Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a slipstreamed
version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled.

I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original RTM
Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted
the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in Windows Explorer.
The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed.

With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the
SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not exist,
therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install using
a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD.

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"R. McCarty" wrote:

| If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
| I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
| else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
| need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
| that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
| out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?

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Old May 29th 05, 06:52 PM
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It worked in your case because you did not delete the SP1 uninstall file
directory
( $NTServicePackUinistall$) prior to performing a repair install with a RTM
CD.

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"kurttrail" wrote:

R. McCarty wrote:
If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?


Last time I tried it was with a SP1 install and a RTM CD, and the repair
install did the "downgrade" with no problems. I would assume it would
work the same with a SP2 install and a SP1 or RTM CD.

My problem with Carey is that he often spouts info that he has heard,
and has never tried himself.

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Old May 29th 05, 07:42 PM
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Hi Torgeir,

If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the retailer
(with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre SP2 files
supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are you possibly
talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In that case, would there
be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. I hate
to say this, but Carey might be right this time?

Please verify, thanks.

"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote in message
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

No. There are no SP2 uninstall files with a preinstalled SP2
installation. An attempted Repair Install using a SP1 Windows XP CD
will fail because SP2 would have to be uninstalled first.

Hi,

Carey, that is wrong, a Repair Install with a SP1 Windows XP CD will
actually remove SP2.

From
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

quote
Please note that a Repair Install from the Original install XP CD
will remove SP1/SP2 and service packs will need to be reapplied.
/quote


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  #23  
Old May 29th 05, 08:20 PM
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.


Now how can I put this mildly?...

I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair
install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is
now running XP Pro SP1.

You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've
proven you wrong once again.

You don't deserve the MVP title.

Steve

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Old May 29th 05, 08:25 PM
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

Hi,

No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.




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Old May 29th 05, 08:31 PM
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Dilip wrote:

Hi Torgeir,

If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the
retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the
pre SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair?


From the WinXP SP1 CD that you use for the repair operation.


Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk
altogether?


Yes.


In that case, would there be product key complications,
and where could this be procured from.


As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original WinXP SP2 OS installation,
there will be no product key complications.


I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time?


Nope.



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Old May 29th 05, 08:35 PM
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Well I'm late with my results, but a VPC with XP-SP2 was
repaired with the original "Gold" version CD-ROM. Worked
as expected, no issues. The SP2 XP instance was slipstreamed
so no SP Uninstall or ServicePackFiles factored into the test.

"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote in message
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

Hi,

No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.




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Old May 29th 05, 08:37 PM
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

Hi,

That did not happen for me when following the instructions he
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

This on a slipstreamed WinXP SP2 installation (so the
$NTServicePackUinistall$ folder did not exist).

The computer ended up with WinXP SP1 installed.


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Old May 29th 05, 08:39 PM
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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.


Hi,

No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.


And I can attest that a clean install from an OEM Win XP Pro Sp2 CD (not
slipstreamed) can be taken back to SP1 with a repair install from an XP
Pro OEM SP1 CD.

Carey is full of it, as is nearly usual. He never tests anything for
himself.

Thanks again, Torgeir.

Steve

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Old May 29th 05, 08:39 PM
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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi,


No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.


I was gonna test it myself after the Indy 500 was over, but you saved me
from having to.

Again, thanks Torgeir!

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Old May 29th 05, 08:43 PM
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Dilip wrote:
Hi Torgeir,

If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the
retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre
SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are
you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In
that case, would there be product key complications, and where could
this be procured from. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right
this time?
Please verify, thanks.


There are no key changes between SP1 & 2. As long as you are using the
same type of XP, OEM SP1 to repair a OEM SP2 install. Or Retail SP1 to
repair a Retail SP2 install.

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