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If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "R. McCarty" wrote: | I think the point of contention is that if you perform a "Repair" install | with any earlier XP version disk, you will remove whatever SP level | existed. But you are right that embedded or Slipstreamed disks do | not have a SP roll-back capability. |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Please somebody, ask him if he has tried this himself? He won't see this post of mine. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take out all updates & patches released after that version disk ? "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Please somebody, ask him if he has tried this himself? He won't see this post of mine. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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R. McCarty wrote:
If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take out all updates & patches released after that version disk ? Last time I tried it was with a SP1 install and a RTM CD, and the repair install did the "downgrade" with no problems. I would assume it would work the same with a SP2 install and a SP1 or RTM CD. My problem with Carey is that he often spouts info that he has heard, and has never tried himself. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?". A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If the Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a slipstreamed version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled. I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original RTM Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in Windows Explorer. The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not exist, therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install using a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "R. McCarty" wrote: | If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But | I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why | else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the | need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does | that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take | out all updates & patches released after that version disk ? |
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It worked in your case because you did not delete the SP1 uninstall file
directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) prior to performing a repair install with a RTM CD. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User "kurttrail" wrote: R. McCarty wrote: If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take out all updates & patches released after that version disk ? Last time I tried it was with a SP1 install and a RTM CD, and the repair install did the "downgrade" with no problems. I would assume it would work the same with a SP2 install and a SP1 or RTM CD. My problem with Carey is that he often spouts info that he has heard, and has never tried himself. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Hi Torgeir,
If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In that case, would there be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Please verify, thanks. "Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote in message ... Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: No. There are no SP2 uninstall files with a preinstalled SP2 installation. An attempted Repair Install using a SP1 Windows XP CD will fail because SP2 would have to be uninstalled first. Hi, Carey, that is wrong, a Repair Install with a SP1 Windows XP CD will actually remove SP2. From http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm quote Please note that a Repair Install from the Original install XP CD will remove SP1/SP2 and service packs will need to be reapplied. /quote -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, No, you will not... I have just tested this: Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 2 is installed. Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or files, everything goes smoothly. After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone. Conclusion: With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder. -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Dilip wrote:
Hi Torgeir, If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? From the WinXP SP1 CD that you use for the repair operation. Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? Yes. In that case, would there be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original WinXP SP2 OS installation, there will be no product key complications. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Nope. -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Well I'm late with my results, but a VPC with XP-SP2 was
repaired with the original "Gold" version CD-ROM. Worked as expected, no issues. The SP2 XP instance was slipstreamed so no SP Uninstall or ServicePackFiles factored into the test. "Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote in message ... Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, No, you will not... I have just tested this: Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 2 is installed. Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or files, everything goes smoothly. After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone. Conclusion: With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder. -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, That did not happen for me when following the instructions he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm This on a slipstreamed WinXP SP2 installation (so the $NTServicePackUinistall$ folder did not exist). The computer ended up with WinXP SP1 installed. -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, No, you will not... I have just tested this: Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 2 is installed. Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or files, everything goes smoothly. After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone. Conclusion: With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder. And I can attest that a clean install from an OEM Win XP Pro Sp2 CD (not slipstreamed) can be taken back to SP1 with a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. Carey is full of it, as is nearly usual. He never tests anything for himself. Thanks again, Torgeir. Steve |
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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, No, you will not... I have just tested this: Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 2 is installed. Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or files, everything goes smoothly. After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone. Conclusion: With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder. I was gonna test it myself after the Indy 500 was over, but you saved me from having to. Again, thanks Torgeir! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Dilip wrote:
Hi Torgeir, If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In that case, would there be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Please verify, thanks. There are no key changes between SP1 & 2. As long as you are using the same type of XP, OEM SP1 to repair a OEM SP2 install. Or Retail SP1 to repair a Retail SP2 install. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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