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  #106  
Old June 2nd 18, 10:30 PM posted to alt.test,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

In article
"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:18:45 +0100, Mike Easter wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
Roger Blake wrote:
Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware,
but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who
really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating
to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor,
who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of
Buck Rogers, loves the thing.

Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen
(2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support
situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which
basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that
may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center
somewhere in the world.

The VIP support includes extras and remote access support.

I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd
like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one.


The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone
support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The
typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the
support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines.


Which is why minimum wage is a stupid idea, it just means other countries get all our work.

This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would
choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly
difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties
are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or
remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)."

It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface
on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that
the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22"
touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise
principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support.

I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more
support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty
cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that
requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of
those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some
kind of outside support.


I was once asked to fax a copy of a receipt to a company when the fax/modem I bought from them wasn't working. He realised his mistake when I burst out laughing.

The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive.


You managed to find Amazon's review system? I hate Amazon, it's about 10 times harder to use than Ebay. First annoying thing, the postage ain't shown in the search results. So I can't see who's the cheapest. Amazon, you lose.

There were
worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about
alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those
suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface.
There's the nut in this venture.


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  #107  
Old June 2nd 18, 10:36 PM posted to alt.test,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
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Default Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:30:43 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

In article
"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:18:45 +0100, Mike Easter wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
Roger Blake wrote:
Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware,
but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who
really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating
to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor,
who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of
Buck Rogers, loves the thing.

Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen
(2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support
situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which
basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that
may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center
somewhere in the world.

The VIP support includes extras and remote access support.

I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd
like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one.

The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone
support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The
typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the
support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines.


Which is why minimum wage is a stupid idea, it just means other countries get all our work.

This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would
choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly
difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties
are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or
remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)."

It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface
on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that
the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22"
touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise
principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support.

I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more
support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty
cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that
requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of
those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some
kind of outside support.


I was once asked to fax a copy of a receipt to a company when the fax/modem I bought from them wasn't working. He realised his mistake when I burst out laughing.

The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive.


You managed to find Amazon's review system? I hate Amazon, it's about 10 times harder to use than Ebay. First annoying thing, the postage ain't shown in the search results. So I can't see who's the cheapest. Amazon, you lose.

There were
worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about
alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those
suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface.
There's the nut in this venture.


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  #108  
Old June 3rd 18, 03:41 AM posted to alt.test,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article
Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:
I wonder exactly who is in charge of developing the interface, since it
seems to be being used by more than one outfit. I believe Venture 3's
Fred Allegrezza has been into this idea longer than WOW.


Here's Fred commenting in the Ub forum in 2012 Oct;


Hey Guys,

Telikin was developed on the TinyCore Linux. Our primary goal of using
Linux was to avoid viruses, spyware, and malware. We also chose TinyCore
to have an option of an embedded version in the future. I am not a Linux
expert. Tim, Megan, Adam, Cliff and Carl work on the OS and back office
systems. We also have an application team developing the apps on Java.

We also selected TinyCore to have a platform that was easy for us to
manage updates for the users. Our background was in cable where settop
boxes have a lot of software but it is managed for the end users.

We agree that there are many tech savvy seniors. We built the computer
for those that are not comfortable with computers. About 50% of our
users have never used a copmputer before. We were not targeting tech
savvy seniors. They have Windows and Mac as options.

We decided to include a number of applications so the end users would
not need to load and manage application. In addition we know the apps
and if when a customer calls in we know what they are using. I think of
this more as an application system.

A big part of the business is support. We built in a remote management
service for all computers so we can remotly show our users how to use
applications.

The specs are on the web site.

As a value proposition telikin serves a niche market, included software
applications and great support. We undertand it is not for everyone, but
there are a number of happy users.

Hope this helps.
Fred Allegrezza CEO Telikin.


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  #109  
Old June 3rd 18, 04:23 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

On 2018-06-02, Mike Easter wrote:
Here's Fred commenting in the Ub forum in 2012 Oct;

...


Interesting. It's a niche segment of the market I'm really not familiar
with since in general I don't work on home computers. (Though of course
I do get roped into doing so for people I know.) If it weren't for my
neighbor asking me to hook up a printer for him I would probably not
even know about those systems.

I do understand that a big chunk of the high price is for support. I found
the Wow computer support pretty good when I called to find out what kind
of printer could be used. I got through to a real person quickly whose
primary Language was English. As soon as he realized that I grokked Linux
he told me "any printer that works with HPLIP version x.x (whatever it
was)."

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  #110  
Old June 3rd 18, 04:29 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-06-02, Mike Easter wrote:
16 G in a rig like this would be ridiculous. It would be better to
spend some money on a faster CPU. I have no idea how they are handling
the graphics.


Since it's Celeron-based, probably low-end Intel graphics. (Most Intel
graphics are well supported in Linux.)

Overall performance seemed to be OK for its intended purpose. For that
matter I have a couple of old Celeron-based netbooks with 2GB memory
and those run OK for light use with Lubuntu. They probably would run even
better with something really lightweight like Tiny Core.

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  #111  
Old June 3rd 18, 05:42 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , oOze
wrote:

Similarly, on the Mac, a user
would probably not have any idea what the heck permissions are and why
they would need to be fixed.


not true. permissions don't need to be fixed which is why that can no
longer be done.


Are you sure about that?


yes.

it was a placebo, often recommended to fix just about any problem,
except that it rarely, if ever, fixed anything. it was a waste of time.


permissions don't 'break' and do not need to be 'repaired'.

it should be called 'reset permissions', because all it did was reset
them to what the system thinks they should be, which isn't necessarily
the only valid option.

long ago, macs could dual boot both os x and the old classic mac os,
the latter of which was not unix-based and had no concept of unix file
permissions. sometimes, while booted in classic mac os, permissions for
os x related files could be inadvertently altered, usually by an app
installer, so back then, repair permissions *did* fix things.

except that classic mac os has been dead for more than 15 years and
that scenario is no longer possible, yet for some reason, repair
permissions lives on and has become a magical snake oil cure-all no
matter what problem it might be.

the last few mac os versions have additional security measures that
make it impossible for system files to be mistakenly altered, so repair
permissions was removed, first from the gui while leaving the command
line version, then later removed entirely.

It seemed to still be around the last time my
mom had a problem with her Mac.


it may have been around, but it almost certainly did not fix whatever
problem she had.

It might have changed though, I don't really know since I don't use
Macs anymore.


now you do.
  #112  
Old June 3rd 18, 03:59 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Snit wrote:
On 6/2/18 1:31 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I'll stick to the one 90% of the population uses. More programs
available

yep

(no I won't say "apps", those are for phones),

app is short for application, a term that dates back at least to the
80s, probably even earlier

Right. It is the term Apple has used since AT LEAST the start of the Mac.

Who cares!? We're talking about the *real* world! (Just kidding!)

FWIW, I only first encountered the term for mobile devices, yes
Apples'. OTOH, 'applet' was known (to me) well before that time.


You only encountered it with mobile devices so you think that means the
term was not used... and more than that want to restrict how others use
the term!

Why?


https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/
But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isnıt new. According to the
OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
application (as in application program) first found its way into
print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. Dobbıs Journal. It
often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
own it remained relatively uncommon.


Good to see you found where "application" has been in use for quite some
time in this context. Heck, if you go to 1984 with the Macintosh it was
the primary term used. Since then it has been often shortened to just
"app", much as "Macintosh" itself has been shortened to "Mac".


Huh? The discussion was not about the term 'application', but about
the term 'app'. IME, the term 'application' has been in use at least as
long as I'm in the_industry/computing, some 50 years.
  #113  
Old June 3rd 18, 03:59 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

FWIW, I've been working in the computer industry since the late 60s
and I did not encounter the term 'app' before mobile devices. I think
it was probably mostly an Apple-thing. nospam says that it's not (an
Apple-thing), but as usual he doesn't back up his claims.


as usual, i did.


Yeah, I saw your reference after my post. Too small a time difference,
20 minutes.

here it is again:
https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/
But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isnıt new. According to the
OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
application (as in application program) first found its way into
print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. Dobbıs Journal. It
often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
own it remained relatively uncommon.


Your reference confirms that the use of 'app' by itself was uncommon.

Anyway, I was only describing *my* experience with the term ('app'),
but apparently some people have problems parsing 'I', 'me', etc..

EOD.
  #114  
Old June 3rd 18, 04:03 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:


https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/
But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isnıt new. According to the
OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
application (as in application program) first found its way into
print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. Dobbıs Journal. It
often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
own it remained relatively uncommon.


Good to see you found where "application" has been in use for quite some
time in this context. Heck, if you go to 1984 with the Macintosh it was
the primary term used. Since then it has been often shortened to just
"app", much as "Macintosh" itself has been shortened to "Mac".


Huh? The discussion was not about the term 'application', but about
the term 'app'. IME, the term 'application' has been in use at least as
long as I'm in the_industry/computing, some 50 years.


app is short for application.
  #115  
Old June 3rd 18, 04:03 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

FWIW, I've been working in the computer industry since the late 60s
and I did not encounter the term 'app' before mobile devices. I think
it was probably mostly an Apple-thing. nospam says that it's not (an
Apple-thing), but as usual he doesn't back up his claims.


as usual, i did.


Yeah, I saw your reference after my post. Too small a time difference,
20 minutes.

here it is again:
https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/
But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isnıt new. According to the
OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
application (as in application program) first found its way into
print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. Dobbıs Journal. It
often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
own it remained relatively uncommon.


Your reference confirms that the use of 'app' by itself was uncommon.


common or not, the use of the term began well before smartphones.

Anyway, I was only describing *my* experience with the term ('app'),
but apparently some people have problems parsing 'I', 'me', etc..


ok.
  #116  
Old June 3rd 18, 04:12 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:


https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/
But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isnıt new. According to the
OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
application (as in application program) first found its way into
print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. Dobbıs Journal. It
often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
own it remained relatively uncommon.

Good to see you found where "application" has been in use for quite some
time in this context. Heck, if you go to 1984 with the Macintosh it was
the primary term used. Since then it has been often shortened to just
"app", much as "Macintosh" itself has been shortened to "Mac".


Huh? The discussion was not about the term 'application', but about
the term 'app'. IME, the term 'application' has been in use at least as
long as I'm in the_industry/computing, some 50 years.


app is short for application.


Duh! The *point* is that we (Jimmy Wilkinson Knife and I) say that use
of the term 'app' came with the advent of mobile devices, while (I say)
the term 'application' was in use at least some four decades earlier.
  #117  
Old June 3rd 18, 04:35 PM posted to alt.test,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article
Frank Slootweg wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 6/2/18 1:31 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I'll stick to the one 90% of the population uses. More programs
available

yep

(no I won't say "apps", those are for phones),

app is short for application, a term that dates back at least to the
80s, probably even earlier

Right. It is the term Apple has used since AT LEAST the start of the Mac.

Who cares!? We're talking about the *real* world! (Just kidding!)

FWIW, I only first encountered the term for mobile devices, yes
Apples'. OTOH, 'applet' was known (to me) well before that time.


You only encountered it with mobile devices so you think that means the
term was not used... and more than that want to restrict how others use
the term!

Why?

https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/
But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isnıt new. According to the
OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
application (as in application program) first found its way into
print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. Dobbıs Journal. It
often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
own it remained relatively uncommon.


Good to see you found where "application" has been in use for quite some
time in this context. Heck, if you go to 1984 with the Macintosh it was
the primary term used. Since then it has been often shortened to just
"app", much as "Macintosh" itself has been shortened to "Mac".


Huh? The discussion was not about the term 'application', but about
the term 'app'. IME, the term 'application' has been in use at least as
long as I'm in the_industry/computing, some 50 years.


  #118  
Old June 3rd 18, 06:52 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 04:29:09 +0100, Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-06-02, Mike Easter wrote:
16 G in a rig like this would be ridiculous. It would be better to
spend some money on a faster CPU. I have no idea how they are handling
the graphics.


Since it's Celeron-based, probably low-end Intel graphics. (Most Intel
graphics are well supported in Linux.)

Overall performance seemed to be OK for its intended purpose. For that
matter I have a couple of old Celeron-based netbooks with 2GB memory
and those run OK for light use with Lubuntu. They probably would run even
better with something really lightweight like Tiny Core.


Intel graphics is pretty horrid, but it seems to be catching up with discrete graphics cards which have pretty much stayed still for the last few years. I have a 4 year old Radeon R9 290. It cost me £290 back then. If I paid £330 now I'd get a Radeon RX580, which is only 19% faster for single precision and 40% SLOWER for double precision. They're going backwards! It does use less electricity, so saves you a small amount of money on that and also needs less cooling so is quieter, but I'd expect some more speed for 4 years development work.

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  #119  
Old June 3rd 18, 07:19 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

On 6/3/18 7:59 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Snit wrote:
On 6/2/18 1:31 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I'll stick to the one 90% of the population uses. More programs
available

yep

(no I won't say "apps", those are for phones),

app is short for application, a term that dates back at least to the
80s, probably even earlier

Right. It is the term Apple has used since AT LEAST the start of the Mac.

Who cares!? We're talking about the *real* world! (Just kidding!)

FWIW, I only first encountered the term for mobile devices, yes
Apples'. OTOH, 'applet' was known (to me) well before that time.


You only encountered it with mobile devices so you think that means the
term was not used... and more than that want to restrict how others use
the term!

Why?

https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/
But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isnÂıt new. According to the
OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
application (as in application program) first found its way into
print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. DobbÂıs Journal. It
often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
own it remained relatively uncommon.


Good to see you found where "application" has been in use for quite some
time in this context. Heck, if you go to 1984 with the Macintosh it was
the primary term used. Since then it has been often shortened to just
"app", much as "Macintosh" itself has been shortened to "Mac".


Huh? The discussion was not about the term 'application', but about
the term 'app'. IME, the term 'application' has been in use at least as


"App" as an abbreviation for "application" goes back to at least 1981.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/app
-----
First Known Use of APP
1981
-----

The word itself, with any meaning, has been around a LOT longer, tjough
in recent years spiking in 1991 and 2003:
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/app

(See the "Trends of 'app'" section. "






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somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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Old June 3rd 18, 07:23 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

In article , Snit
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Huh? The discussion was not about the term 'application', but about
the term 'app'. IME, the term 'application' has been in use at least as


"App" as an abbreviation for "application" goes back to at least 1981.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/app
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First Known Use of APP
1981
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The word itself, with any meaning, has been around a LOT longer, tjough
in recent years spiking in 1991 and 2003:
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/app

(See the "Trends of 'app'" section. "


in other words, well before smartphones became popular.
 




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