The OS armaggedon is coming

On 4-Jun-2018 7:46 pm, Chris wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 16:37:27 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 06/01/2018 08:20 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD?
I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would
take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times slower.
There are plenty or rural places in the US where the only choices
for internet access are dialup or satellite. I only went to broadband
a few years ago myself.
I had satellite internet (Starband) in 2001. That had problems when I
got it (very high and variable latency) and got so bad after a few
months that when I went back to POTS dialup (48kbps) it was a big
improvement.

BTW, when I took that dish down I could see workers replacing the cable,
getting ready for cable internet. That's now 50mbps. I downloaded
Windows 10 in less than 8 minutes.
No cable here, but we (almost everyone in the UK) gets "Fibre to the
cabinet". There are little boxes about a meter or so wide dotted around,
one within about half a mile of every house. It's very fast fibre to
those, then normal existing copper phoneline to the houses. I get 54Mbps.
Seeing as you live in Scotland you should know that's clearly not true.
There are significant parts of the population (not all of it rural) that
can't get fibre in the UK.

As reported here 53% of rural and 17% of urban households get 10Mbps
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...dband-2017.pdf


Sorry to hear that. But here in rural New Zealand it's just as bad. I've
no mobile coverage and a so-called "broadband" copper ADSL which peaks
at 2.8Mbps between 1am and 5am and is consistently well less than 1Mbps
in the evenings, which makes even loading a single web page a mission.
Streaming video? Tell me about it!

All the service providers here are publicly-owned companies and have no
interest in providing a decent communications infrastructure in rural
areas if it compromises their bottom line - their shareholders would
complain, wouldn't they? The politicians do a lot of talking about the
"digital divide" and allocate sparse funding to improving the rural
infrastructure but most of us see absolutely no benefit from this. But
they're spending a fortune subsidising fibre to the towns - but, of
course, that's where the votes are, isn't it?

On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:07:08 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 16:51:27 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
My first connection was free from the university I was studying at.
My friend gave me an old 1200 modem to test it, then I bought a 14400.
Then I shared the connection via coax ethernet between me and a few
neighbours, also we could play multiplayer games and speak to each other.

You had 1200, then 14400 bps? They must have thought the sun shines out of
your ass! I had to make do with a 300 bps acoustic coupler. (It is still
sitting in a closet.) I remember doing some remote work on an overseas
Unix server with that and a VT100 terminal many years ago. Though I'm
sure some wisenheimer will pipe up and say they had to make do with a
hardcopy terminal connected to a 110 bps modem.

No - but I remember having to use a telephone to make an appointment
to download a 5MB file. 11 o'clock at night it was.

I used to have friends in other countries sending me files of 100MB, they had to be split into small pieces and re-joined. I once jammed the university's email server with them, and the IT guy was completely unaware it was pirated games and videos. He referred to it as my "data", assuming it was for something I was working on, and tried to help me find ways to transfer it.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:04:11 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

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The OS Armageddon Is Coming
Issues with Microsoft's Windows 10 April 2018 Update are a warning of
what's to come.

Opinion piece from PC Magazine.

https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming

I agree.

Good article, I concur as well.

"Chris" wrote

| As reported here 53% of rural and 17% of urban households get 10Mbps
|
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...dband-2017.pdf
|

You don't consider that broadband? I think
we get less than that. We pay for a cheap plan.
I don't watch movies online, much less watching
two at once, so I don't need higher speeds. I did
download a Win8 ISO awhile back, to work on
a friend's laptop. That was no problem.

We seem to be talking about at least 2 categories
of high-speed. One is the level at which the Internet
works well. That's what up to 30% of Americans
still don't have. The other is the level at which someone
can run their phone and TV online without hiccups.
In the US that's probably going to be fiber. Personally
I have no use for that, and it's crazy expensive.
(Though that doesn't stop Verizon from sending me
a glossy flyer once a week, in which they tell me
everything except the price of their scam service.)

"Lab Lover" wrote

| https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming
|
| I agree.
|
| Good article, I concur as well.

Isn't it already here? Win10 people are already
mostly talking about what was messed up or
changed by the last forced upgrade. I don't remember
ever having an update that added or removed features
without warning, broke hardware, or changed
file associations.
It looks to me like the WinTenners are too shell-
shocked to realize they're already in the middle of
"Armageddon". Most are allowing auto-updates without
even knowing what's in them. It's nuts. But for
WinTenners it's already normal, and they're resigned
to having no choice in the matter.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 16:50:10 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 06/03/2018 11:49 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:


I remember hearing something about the frequencies used for 1200 baud
(actually 600 baud, 2 bits per signaling unit) modem were chosen to make
an acoustic coupler impractical.

1200 baud acoustic modems existed and worked well, for their time.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/29/a4/8d/29a48dddc47b8e1d6132f998fb96397b--acoustic-modem.jpg


Link is to an XML file with no information but "access denied".

The link worked for me.

malone wrote:
On 4-Jun-2018 7:46 pm, Chris wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 16:37:27 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 06/01/2018 08:20 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD?
I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would
take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times
slower.
There are plenty or rural places in the US where the only choices
for internet access are dialup or satellite. I only went to broadband
a few years ago myself.
I had satellite internet (Starband) in 2001. That had problems when I
got it (very high and variable latency) and got so bad after a few
months that when I went back to POTS dialup (48kbps) it was a big
improvement.

BTW, when I took that dish down I could see workers replacing the
cable,
getting ready for cable internet. That's now 50mbps. I downloaded
Windows 10 in less than 8 minutes.
No cable here, but we (almost everyone in the UK) gets "Fibre to the
cabinet". There are little boxes about a meter or so wide dotted
around,
one within about half a mile of every house. It's very fast fibre to
those, then normal existing copper phoneline to the houses. I get
54Mbps.
Seeing as you live in Scotland you should know that's clearly not true.
There are significant parts of the population (not all of it rural) that
can't get fibre in the UK.

As reported here 53% of rural and 17% of urban households get 10Mbps
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...dband-2017.pdf



Sorry to hear that. But here in rural New Zealand it's just as bad. I've
no mobile coverage and a so-called "broadband" copper ADSL which peaks
at 2.8Mbps between 1am and 5am and is consistently well less than 1Mbps
in the evenings, which makes even loading a single web page a mission.
Streaming video? Tell me about it!

All the service providers here are publicly-owned companies and have no
interest in providing a decent communications infrastructure in rural
areas if it compromises their bottom line - their shareholders would
complain, wouldn't they? The politicians do a lot of talking about the
"digital divide" and allocate sparse funding to improving the rural
infrastructure but most of us see absolutely no benefit from this. But
they're spending a fortune subsidising fibre to the towns - but, of
course, that's where the votes are, isn't it?


This is another way to get rural subscribers a connection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirele...rvice_provider

At least one area in the country provides a subsidy to install
that service. But it only applies if your only option is
dialup networking. If you were within reach of crappy ADSL,
you would not qualify for WISP.

Paul

Mayayana wrote:
"Lab Lover" wrote

| https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming
|
| I agree.
|
| Good article, I concur as well.

Isn't it already here? Win10 people are already
mostly talking about what was messed up or
changed by the last forced upgrade. I don't remember
ever having an update that added or removed features
without warning, broke hardware, or changed
file associations.
It looks to me like the WinTenners are too shell-
shocked to realize they're already in the middle of
"Armageddon". Most are allowing auto-updates without
even knowing what's in them. It's nuts. But for
WinTenners it's already normal, and they're resigned
to having no choice in the matter.

As an example, HomeGroup is deprecated.

Paul

On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 08:46:26 +0100, Chris wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 16:37:27 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 06/01/2018 08:20 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD?
I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would
take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times slower.

There are plenty or rural places in the US where the only choices
for internet access are dialup or satellite. I only went to broadband
a few years ago myself.

I had satellite internet (Starband) in 2001. That had problems when I
got it (very high and variable latency) and got so bad after a few
months that when I went back to POTS dialup (48kbps) it was a big
improvement.

BTW, when I took that dish down I could see workers replacing the cable,
getting ready for cable internet. That's now 50mbps. I downloaded
Windows 10 in less than 8 minutes.

No cable here, but we (almost everyone in the UK) gets "Fibre to the
cabinet". There are little boxes about a meter or so wide dotted around,
one within about half a mile of every house. It's very fast fibre to
those, then normal existing copper phoneline to the houses. I get 54Mbps.

Seeing as you live in Scotland you should know that's clearly not true.
There are significant parts of the population (not all of it rural) that
can't get fibre in the UK.

As reported here 53% of rural and 17% of urban households get 10Mbps
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...dband-2017.pdf

Is that % of people or % of areas? I'd think every major town and city has fibre. All that's missing is remote farm houses, so not many folk.

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The combined weight of all the ants on Earth is about the same as the combined weight of humans.

On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:46:01 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


1200 baud acoustic modems existed and worked well, for their time.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/29/a4/8d/29a48dddc47b8e1d6132f998fb96397b--acoustic-modem.jpg


Link is to an XML file with no information but "access denied".

The link worked for me.

The link works for me this morning but yesterday it was "access
denied".

On 06/04/2018 04:39 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

Is that % of people or % of areas?* I'd think every major town and city
has fibre.* All that's missing is remote farm houses, so not many folk.

Neither matters much if they don't have it where you are.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Operationally, God is beginning to resemble not a ruler but the last
fading smile of a cosmic Cheshire cat." [Sir Julian Huxley]

On 06/04/2018 05:12 PM, Monty wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:46:01 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


1200 baud acoustic modems existed and worked well, for their time.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/29/a4/8d/29a48dddc47b8e1d6132f998fb96397b--acoustic-modem.jpg


Link is to an XML file with no information but "access denied".

The link worked for me.

The link works for me this morning but yesterday it was "access
denied".

It's working now.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Operationally, God is beginning to resemble not a ruler but the last
fading smile of a cosmic Cheshire cat." [Sir Julian Huxley]

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 01:51:52 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 06/04/2018 04:39 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

Is that % of people or % of areas? I'd think every major town and city
has fibre. All that's missing is remote farm houses, so not many folk.

Neither matters much if they don't have it where you are.

The point is the majority off folk are in built up areas, so the majority of folk have broadband.

And actually they've installed it in the Orkney Isles off the NE of Scotland!

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I took an IQ test and the results were negative.