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  #16  
Old March 3rd 12, 04:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dominique
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noname écrivait
:

Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.


A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
which hardware it will be.

OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.

Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
of the licence and it's illegal.
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  #17  
Old March 3rd 12, 04:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
KCB[_2_]
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[]
Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.


Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
editions that would make them a waste of your time?



Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...oducts/compare

  #18  
Old March 3rd 12, 04:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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On 3/3/2012 9:10 AM, Dominique wrote:
écrivait
:

Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.


A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
which hardware it will be.

OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.

Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
of the licence and it's illegal.


This is all good and well from Microsoft's (or other developers) point
of view. But I often wonder why nobody ever mentions the injustice from
the consumers point of view?

As I have been burned many times by Microsoft and other software
developers. And lots of them offer a 30 day money back if you are
dissatisfied with their product.

Well I have taken up their offer dozens of times and I never ever got my
money back. Not once in decades of computer use. So what is the deal
with that? I've lost thousands of dollars from this nonsense over the
years. And I see nobody protecting the consumer about this problem.

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  #19  
Old March 3rd 12, 04:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 3/3/12 8:33 AM, BillW50 wrote:
This is all good and well from Microsoft's (or other developers) point
of view. But I often wonder why nobody ever mentions the injustice from
the consumers point of view?

As I have been burned many times by Microsoft and other software
developers. And lots of them offer a 30 day money back if you are
dissatisfied with their product.

Well I have taken up their offer dozens of times and I never ever got my
money back. Not once in decades of computer use. So what is the deal
with that? I've lost thousands of dollars from this nonsense over the
years. And I see nobody protecting the consumer about this problem.


This may be a fine line (not a lawyer here), but the difference may be
you are purchasing a license to use a product, with stipulations, and
not the product itself. Sort of like leasing a new car as opposed to
buying it. If you don't like the stipulations, it's your choice as the
consumer to not buy the license.

I suspect the average consumer, if not the vast majority, know about the
EULA. How many people ever read the EULA? Further, how many people do
you know that got a used computer from someone/somewhere, with no
original system CD's, restore partition, COA sticker, etc.?



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  #20  
Old March 3rd 12, 04:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , KCB
writes:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[]
Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.


Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
editions that would make them a waste of your time?



Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...oducts/compare


Yes, I could have found that for myself: I was curious which feature(s)
YOU considered it a waste of time not to have.

To save others the time, the above page lists the differences as:

o XP mode only available in Pro
o company networks easier and more secure in Pro
o backup to a network only available in Pro
o BitLocker encryption only available in Ult
o language-switching only available in Ult
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Have the courage to be ordinary - people make themselves so desperately unhappy
trying to be clever and totally original. (Robbie Coltrane, RT 8-14 Nov. 1997.)
  #21  
Old March 3rd 12, 04:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Dominique
writes:
noname écrivait
:

Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.


A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
which hardware it will be.

OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.

Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
of the licence and it's illegal.


If the transition to the new hardware is gradual enough - i. e., you
change the hardware a bit at a time - it could be considered as (and the
Windows installation will see it as) an upgrade; whether that is illegal
in terms of the licence isn't definite one way or the other. Certainly,
if you put it on a second machine and then take it off the first, that's
against the terms of an OEM System Builder, but not a full retail.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have the courage to be ordinary - people make themselves so desperately unhappy
trying to be clever and totally original. (Robbie Coltrane, RT 8-14 Nov. 1997.)
  #22  
Old March 3rd 12, 05:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Wolf K
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On 03/03/2012 10:18 AM, KCB wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[]
Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.


Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
editions that would make them a waste of your time?



Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...oducts/compare



At least one piece of information is incorrect or misleading. Eg, my
wife's laptop came with Home Premium 64-bit, and has yet to object to an
XP-level program. In fact, our favourite image viewer (which also does
elementary processing) is orphanware last updated for W2000, and it runs
with nary a hiccup. I suppose the table refers to purpose-built
databases, POS/inventory/accounting suites, etc. But if I needed those,
I'd be running them on a server with thin clients on the work stations,
which is a whole different ball game.

A closer examination shows that Home Premium, Pro, and Ultimate include
utilities that have been available for quite while. So why bother with
W7 Pro or Ultimate? Basically, MS is charging you for features you can
get as freeware or cheapware.

FWIW, I do have W7-Pro on this machine, but only because I got a deal I
couldn't refuse: 1TB internal drive + W7 Pro (OEM) for $120 net. O'wise
I'd have gone with Home Premium. I haven't yet found I needed any of the
added features of Pro. I may find the network back-up useful if I ever
set up a "proper" home network. But W7's peer-to-peer networking works
just fine via the wi-fi, and we back up data on each machine to external
drives, so why bother?

FYI.
Wolf K.
  #23  
Old March 3rd 12, 05:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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On 3/3/2012 9:50 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/3/12 8:33 AM, BillW50 wrote:
This is all good and well from Microsoft's (or other developers) point
of view. But I often wonder why nobody ever mentions the injustice from
the consumers point of view?

As I have been burned many times by Microsoft and other software
developers. And lots of them offer a 30 day money back if you are
dissatisfied with their product.

Well I have taken up their offer dozens of times and I never ever got my
money back. Not once in decades of computer use. So what is the deal
with that? I've lost thousands of dollars from this nonsense over the
years. And I see nobody protecting the consumer about this problem.


This may be a fine line (not a lawyer here), but the difference may be
you are purchasing a license to use a product, with stipulations, and
not the product itself. Sort of like leasing a new car as opposed to
buying it. If you don't like the stipulations, it's your choice as the
consumer to not buy the license.


Yes but you have to buy it first and open the package before you get to
read the EULA in the first place. And I haven't found anybody to take
back opened software yet. So you are damned if you do and damned if you
don't.

I suspect the average consumer, if not the vast majority, know about the
EULA. How many people ever read the EULA? Further, how many people do
you know that got a used computer from someone/somewhere, with no
original system CD's, restore partition, COA sticker, etc.?


Yes I know, that isn't right either. I even had to buy a upgrade version
of XP so I could run the Recovery Console, because my OEM discs didn't
have them back then. So that copy has never been installed anywhere. But
Microsoft still got the money for the license anyway.

--
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  #24  
Old March 3rd 12, 06:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
milt
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On 3/3/2012 5:30 AM, Allen Drake wrote:

Can not or should not? I have done it so maybe you care to clarify.


Should not, would be the correct term. You CAN do it, however. Its a
grey area, to be sure!
  #25  
Old March 3rd 12, 06:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Anthony Buckland
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On 02/03/2012 5:20 PM, noname wrote:
Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
611 DVD.

I am confused right now.
But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
not came with the computer.
I bought it off a store ...


I'd be concerned about the ethics of that store.
  #26  
Old March 3rd 12, 07:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , BillW50
writes:
[]
Yes but you have to buy it first and open the package before you get to
read the EULA in the first place. And I haven't found anybody to take
back opened software yet. So you are damned if you do and damned if you
don't.

[]
This would fall foul of UK "unfair contract terms" legislation: any term
you are unaware of before the contract it concluded is void (bewa
IANAL). The usual example given is that of terms and conditions printed
on a car park or railway ticket.

Some years ago there was the fashion for the EULA to be printed in tiny
(often blue) print that _could_ be read through the shrink-wrap; I
assumed that _was_ to get round the unfair contract legislation.

Does the USA have a similar law?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A true-born Englishman does not know any language. He does not speak English
too
well either but, at least, he is not proud of this. He is, however, immensely
proud of not knowing any foreign languages. (George Mikes, "How to be
Inimitable" [1960].)
  #27  
Old March 3rd 12, 07:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , Dominique
writes:
noname écrivait
m:

Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.


A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
which hardware it will be.

OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.

Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
of the licence and it's illegal.


If the transition to the new hardware is gradual enough - i. e., you
change the hardware a bit at a time - it could be considered as (and the
Windows installation will see it as) an upgrade; whether that is illegal
in terms of the licence isn't definite one way or the other. Certainly,
if you put it on a second machine and then take it off the first, that's
against the terms of an OEM System Builder, but not a full retail.


The upgrade-until-you-have-a-new-computer scheme is an "out" to their
license. However, during the upgrades or after them all, you still only
have one host (the old one that became a new one) on which to use the
OEM license. You don't end up with 2 hosts consisting of all the old
hardware and another with all the new hardware and the same license used
on both hosts.
  #28  
Old March 3rd 12, 07:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_4_]
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:25:27 -0800, noname
wrote:

Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.



Yes, it's true. That's the single biggest disadvantage of an OEM
version, and the reason I almost always recommend against them for
anyone.

  #29  
Old March 3rd 12, 07:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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On 3/3/2012 12:02 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , BillW50 writes:
[]
Yes but you have to buy it first and open the package before you get
to read the EULA in the first place. And I haven't found anybody to
take back opened software yet. So you are damned if you do and damned
if you don't.

[]
This would fall foul of UK "unfair contract terms" legislation: any term
you are unaware of before the contract it concluded is void (bewa
IANAL). The usual example given is that of terms and conditions printed
on a car park or railway ticket.

Some years ago there was the fashion for the EULA to be printed in tiny
(often blue) print that _could_ be read through the shrink-wrap; I
assumed that _was_ to get round the unfair contract legislation.

Does the USA have a similar law?


I don't think the US has any law like this at all. But AFAIK no
skinkwrap license has ever held up in court either.

I am puzzled how this has continued for so long. I guess because the
worst that could happen is that you pay for the software, can't use it
and you are stuck with it anyway. Hardly worth going to court over.

I had a plan for many years of blowing the lid off of this nonsense. And
that was to sell my own software with the normal shrinkwrapped EULA
statements with one added one.

And that would be by agreeing that they would send me there first male
child or some other such nonsense. I really wouldn't mean it of course,
but I think it would get a lot of play in the courts.

The outcome I would be looking for would be that this nonsense would end
and you can't agree to something that you didn't read first. ;-)

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  #30  
Old March 3rd 12, 07:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Joerg Jaeger
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Ok, got it. Made the wrong choice.
But i wonder, was this always like that? Just wondering.
In any case, i have to buy a fullversion next time.

Thanks for the info.


On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 20:21:03 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:17:00 -0800, noname
wrote:

To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
The Version i got was labeld OEM.


That was a fine choice, but it didn't position you for the long term.

I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
motherboard.
What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
(or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.


That's exactly what OEM doesn't allow. You should have gone with an
Upgrade or full Retail copy. Your choices now are to get another OEM
version or move up to a higher edition.

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