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Old June 1st 18, 10:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The OS Armageddon Is Coming
Issues with Microsoft's Windows 10 April 2018 Update are a warning of
what's to come.

Opinion piece from PC Magazine.

https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming

I agree.



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Old June 1st 18, 10:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:04:11 +0100, slate_leeper wrote:

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The OS Armageddon Is Coming
Issues with Microsoft's Windows 10 April 2018 Update are a warning of
what's to come.

Opinion piece from PC Magazine.

https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming

I agree.


The article is a pile of inaccurate bull****.

Firstly, I've never had a problem with any update once it's installed. I only have a problem with it rebooting without my permission, the computer could have been in the middle of something.

Secondly (and for the reason above), I simply turn off the Windows Update service. I switch it on once a month (or 3 months on less important computers), and tell it to update. Then it's switched back off again. M$ have never forced us to update, and there's no reason to think they would.

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Old June 2nd 18, 01:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:04:11 +0100, slate_leeper
wrote:

/

The OS Armageddon Is Coming
Issues with Microsoft's Windows 10 April 2018 Update are a warning of
what's to come.

Opinion piece from PC Magazine.

https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming

I agree.


The article is a pile of inaccurate bull****.


No, it's written by Dvorak and it's click-bate.

It would be pretty difficult to brick all the
Win10 machines at the same absolute point in time. There
would be some sort of limit as to how many users could
connect to the Microsoft CDN at the same time. It would
take a black-hat exploit to do that, rather than a white-hat "oopsie".

Paul
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Old June 2nd 18, 01:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/01/2018 05:30 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:04:11 +0100, slate_leeper
wrote:

Â*Â*Â* /

The OS Armageddon Is Coming
Issues with Microsoft's Windows 10 April 2018 Update are a warning of
what's to come.

Opinion piece from PC Magazine.

https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming

I agree.


The article is a pile of inaccurate bull****.

Firstly, I've never had a problem with any update once it's installed.
I only have a problem with it rebooting without my permission, the
computer could have been in the middle of something.

Secondly (and for the reason above), I simply turn off the Windows
Update service.Â* I switch it on once a month (or 3 months on less
important computers), and tell it to update.Â* Then it's switched back
off again.Â* M$ have never forced us to update, and there's no reason to
think they would.

And one other error is they say it would be nice if there was an free
update DVD available. Well there is. MS allows you to use their media
creation tool.
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Old June 2nd 18, 02:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 01:52:53 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 06/01/2018 05:30 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:04:11 +0100, slate_leeper
wrote:

/

The OS Armageddon Is Coming
Issues with Microsoft's Windows 10 April 2018 Update are a warning of
what's to come.

Opinion piece from PC Magazine.

https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming

I agree.


The article is a pile of inaccurate bull****.

Firstly, I've never had a problem with any update once it's installed.
I only have a problem with it rebooting without my permission, the
computer could have been in the middle of something.

Secondly (and for the reason above), I simply turn off the Windows
Update service. I switch it on once a month (or 3 months on less
important computers), and tell it to update. Then it's switched back
off again. M$ have never forced us to update, and there's no reason to
think they would.

And one other error is they say it would be nice if there was an free
update DVD available. Well there is. MS allows you to use their media
creation tool.


Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD? I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times slower.

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Old June 2nd 18, 02:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD? I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times slower.


There are plenty or rural places in the US where the only choices
for internet access are dialup or satellite. I only went to broadband
a few years ago myself.

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Old June 2nd 18, 02:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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slate_leeper wrote:

https://www.pcmag.com/commentary/361...ddon-is-coming


From the article:

Unless you literally turn off your machine after every session, you
will be trapped by some overnight query you cannot stop.

The message telling you that your PC needs to upgrade waits for a
response that you are not able to give because it's 3 a.m. So it does
the load and boot while you're sleep.

Disabling the "Background Intelligent Transfer Service" (BITS) service
and the "Windows Update" service (wuauserv) no longer work to completely
disable downloading (and possibly installing) any update? For Windows
10, there was another service (forget its name) that I would also
include in a batch file to disable those services (after performing an
update) and also in a batch file to enable those services (just before
querying and allowing any updates).

Although disabling wuauserv should be sufficient to disable automatic
updating, Microsoft has been caught more than once using BITS to
download an update in the background which is only noticed by the user
when the shutdown Windows or start Windows when a dialog appears saying
"applying updates". That's why I also disable the BITS service. That
will affect any program using BITS to perform low-priority throttled
background downloads, like MS Defender although any program is allowed
to use BITS. Other than Defender, I've not run into another programs
that uses BITS.

While possible an update could re-enable these services (once such an
update was allowed for download and install), I've yet to see Microsoft
reset these services to Automatic. I could add a .reg file in the
Startup folder to re-disable these services but I suspect that Windows
would run the services before it runs my .reg or .bat files in my
Startup folder, as a Run registry entry, a Windows account startup
script, or even as a WinLogon event. They'd get there before me. It's
doable but I haven't see it happen yet.
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Old June 2nd 18, 03:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD? I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times slower.


There are plenty or rural places in the US where the only choices
for internet access are dialup or satellite. I only went to broadband
a few years ago myself.


Or they can't go fast due to crappy copper DSL and no fiber.
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Old June 2nd 18, 12:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:20:23 +0100, Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD? I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times slower.


There are plenty or rural places in the US where the only choices
for internet access are dialup or satellite. I only went to broadband
a few years ago myself.


I remember in the 90s when the US was way ahead of the UK in internet speed, looks like we're beating you now :-)

Anyway, there's a setting for "paid internet" somewhere in Windows so it will only download important stuff. Even if you do need the 3GB download, it'll just get it bit by bit when you happen to be online, and I think it sets itself as low priority so won't slow down what you're doing yourself on the internet (or it should). I'm in no hurry to get updates, they come when they come. I've turned off the windows update service so it never reboots without my permission. I get them once a month.

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Old June 2nd 18, 12:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 03:56:04 +0100, Ant wrote:

Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD? I can download 3GB (the whole of Windows) in 7.5 minutes. It would take a day or three to receive the DVD by post. That's 384 times slower.


There are plenty or rural places in the US where the only choices
for internet access are dialup or satellite. I only went to broadband
a few years ago myself.


Or they can't go fast due to crappy copper DSL and no fiber.


Isn't satellite pretty fast? I got satellite in the UK for a few years when I couldn't get DSL. At that time it was as good as DSL.

And what do you mean crappy DSL? DSL is fast enough for updates, just a bit slow for Piratebay :-)

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Old June 2nd 18, 01:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:45:44 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
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Isn't satellite pretty fast? I got satellite in the UK for a few years when I couldn't get DSL. At that time it was as good as DSL.



Up until a little over a year ago, I had Wildblue satellite. MAXIMUM
download speed, 57KB/s. Often slower than a 9200 baud dial up modem.
Max allowed download amount, 7 gigabytes per MONTH, effectively 5.5
gig because they count all the network handshaking. Downloading
anything large was nearly impossible because of the frequent loss of
signal. And yes, they advertise it as "equivalent to DSL."

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Old June 2nd 18, 01:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:29:16 +0100, slate_leeper wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:45:44 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:



Isn't satellite pretty fast? I got satellite in the UK for a few years when I couldn't get DSL. At that time it was as good as DSL.



Up until a little over a year ago, I had Wildblue satellite. MAXIMUM
download speed, 57KB/s. Often slower than a 9200 baud dial up modem.
Max allowed download amount, 7 gigabytes per MONTH, effectively 5.5
gig because they count all the network handshaking. Downloading
anything large was nearly impossible because of the frequent loss of
signal. And yes, they advertise it as "equivalent to DSL."


How odd, in about 2003 I had BT Openworld satellite. 256kB/s (or was it 512?) download. Back 15 years ago. And no monthly limit. The only thing it sucked at was ping time, so no online gaming possible (about 250ms instead of 30ms). Try shooting someone in a game with a quarter second lag.
****ing expensive though, it cost me a grand to buy the HUGE 1 metre (might have even been 1.5 metre) dish, although they put it on the wall and set it up for me. I can't remember what the monthly fee was but it was a hell of a lot more than DSL. I used it for 2 years then was able to get DSL, so I sold the dish on Ebay to a guy going to Africa to set up remote internet. He had this crazy idea of reprogramming it....

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Old June 2nd 18, 02:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote

| Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD?

Last I saw, about 70% of the US had highspeed.
It's probably different in the UK and Europe because
1) the gov't is more farsighted, not leaving
infrastructure planning to be accomplished through
corporate greed, and 2) the land mass is far more
condensed. (No one has to fund running wires over
vast areas with 2 people per sq. mi.)

The other 30% in the US are 10% who can't
afford or don't want Internet, and 20% who are
happy with dialup or don't have a choice.

My brother in NH could only get satellite until
recently. It often failed on cloudy days. He still
can't use his cellphone at home. There are a lot
of places in the US with little or no cellphone
service.

I think there's a big gap between rural and urban.
And if you've never left UK/Europe you probably have
no concept of just how much wide open land still
exists in the US.
Tech people, especially, tend to live in a bubble of
tech. Many urban people assume everyone is always
wired, and that everyone has and uses a cellphone.
It's a bit of a "Let them eat cake" scenario: No
broadband at home? Then why don't you just walk
down to the corner Starbucks?"

Those are the people who will run into the street
screaming next time there's a blackout, while their
rural counterparts just fire up the generator. It's
increasingly two different worlds.

Apropos of that, there was a very sad story some
years ago. A young techie at CNet went on vacation
with his wife and 2-3 kids. He was in his 20s. They
drove up something like a logging road in California
to camp and got stuck on a snowy/icy patch. He
couldn't get the car out. There was no traffic expected.
They could have walked out of there in 1 day, but
instead they stayed put. At some point he burned the
car tires for heat. Then he wandered off into the
woods to look for help. I think that was on the 3rd day.
The wife and kids were eventually saved. He died in
the woods, of exhaustion. I'm guessing he never
considered that he would actually be truly isolated
when they went camping, and his grasp of basic
physicality was apparently on the level of an 8-year-old.
He lived in a world of urban tech. I wouldn't be
surprised if he'd expected to be able to order a
pizza delivery from his tent.


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Old June 2nd 18, 02:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 14:10:14 +0100, Mayayana wrote:

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote

| Does anyone still have narrowband internet? Why would we need a DVD?

Last I saw, about 70% of the US had highspeed.
It's probably different in the UK and Europe because
1) the gov't is more farsighted, not leaving
infrastructure planning to be accomplished through
corporate greed, and 2) the land mass is far more
condensed. (No one has to fund running wires over
vast areas with 2 people per sq. mi.)


Our government does supply broadband (somehow) to the likes of Orkney and Shetland (remote Scottish islands).

The other 30% in the US are 10% who can't
afford or don't want Internet, and 20% who are
happy with dialup or don't have a choice.

My brother in NH could only get satellite until
recently. It often failed on cloudy days. He still
can't use his cellphone at home. There are a lot
of places in the US with little or no cellphone
service.


Cellphone in the UK is just as bad, and it shouldn't be as we don't have huge distances to cover like you. Same idea I guess, it's all private.

I think there's a big gap between rural and urban.
And if you've never left UK/Europe you probably have
no concept of just how much wide open land still
exists in the US.
Tech people, especially, tend to live in a bubble of
tech. Many urban people assume everyone is always
wired, and that everyone has and uses a cellphone.
It's a bit of a "Let them eat cake" scenario: No
broadband at home? Then why don't you just walk
down to the corner Starbucks?"

Those are the people who will run into the street
screaming next time there's a blackout, while their
rural counterparts just fire up the generator. It's
increasingly two different worlds.

Apropos of that, there was a very sad story some
years ago. A young techie at CNet went on vacation
with his wife and 2-3 kids. He was in his 20s. They
drove up something like a logging road in California
to camp and got stuck on a snowy/icy patch. He
couldn't get the car out. There was no traffic expected.
They could have walked out of there in 1 day, but
instead they stayed put. At some point he burned the
car tires for heat. Then he wandered off into the
woods to look for help. I think that was on the 3rd day.
The wife and kids were eventually saved. He died in
the woods, of exhaustion. I'm guessing he never
considered that he would actually be truly isolated
when they went camping, and his grasp of basic
physicality was apparently on the level of an 8-year-old.
He lived in a world of urban tech. I wouldn't be
surprised if he'd expected to be able to order a
pizza delivery from his tent.


How much brain do you need to simply walk along the road? If you're in the middle of nowhere and want help, you don't go further into the middle of nowhere. Darwin award :-)

And if he was that techie, where was his satellite phone? His call to a breakdown truck service?

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Old June 2nd 18, 02:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Apropos of that, there was a very sad story some
years ago. A young techie at CNet went on vacation
with his wife and 2-3 kids. He was in his 20s. They
drove up something like a logging road in California
to camp and got stuck on a snowy/icy patch. He
couldn't get the car out. There was no traffic expected.
They could have walked out of there in 1 day, but
instead they stayed put. At some point he burned the
car tires for heat. Then he wandered off into the
woods to look for help. I think that was on the 3rd day.
The wife and kids were eventually saved. He died in
the woods, of exhaustion. I'm guessing he never
considered that he would actually be truly isolated
when they went camping, and his grasp of basic
physicality was apparently on the level of an 8-year-old.
He lived in a world of urban tech. I wouldn't be
surprised if he'd expected to be able to order a
pizza delivery from his tent.


as usual, you have numerous details wrong.

it happened in oregon, not california, it was a snowy night, they were
using paper maps (not a gps), and they got lost after making some wrong
turns onto roads that were closed for the winter and apparently not
blocked.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/kati-kim...-story-family-
ended/story?id=12884927
Facing a five-hour drive to Gold Beach, 140 miles away on the Oregon
coast, the Kims stopped at a Dennys in Roseburg, Ore.
....
After dinner was behind them, the Kims got back on the road, with
James Kim behind the wheel and Kati Kim playing the role of navigator.

Driving into the night, the Kims made the first of several fateful
errors. To get to Gold Beach, they needed to take Route 42 via exit
119. They missed it.

One mistake turned into two: Instead of turning around, the couple
decides to take another road that Kati Kim spotted on a map.

"We felt like we had gone too far past our turn to turn around," she
said. "According to the map, there was a very clear-cut route to the
coast."

Unbeknownst to the Kims, they had chosen a remote and notorious
cross-country path called Bear Camp Road. At its highest, the road's
elevation is between 4,000 and 4,500 feet. It is not maintained and
it doesn't get plowed, according to Sarah Rubrecht, a
search-and-rescue coordinator.
....
However, amid the snow, James Kim had missed a turn: At a fork in the
road, he failed to see a sign for Gold Beach and chose to head right.
He chose wrong.

Believing he was on the road to the coast, he had, in fact, turned on
to a logging track. And for reasons that may remain forever unknown,
a steel gate that should have been locked, blocking this path, was
left open.

Utterly lost, the Kims tried using their cell phones to call for
help, but they found they had no service. James Kim decided to put
the car in reverse easing his way to a lower elevation where there
might be more of a signal.
....
With their gas gauge and the snow falling, the Kims decide the safest
thing to do was wait for daylight. They survived the bitter night by
idling their engine to keep warm. The next day, they ate food that
they had brought with them, as they studied their maps and waited for
help.
 




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