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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
On Thu, 11 May 2017 17:34:44 -0400, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 11 May 2017 14:16:25 -0400, Paul wrote: Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 11 May 2017 15:18:46 -0000 (UTC), John & Jane Doe wrote: Bill wrote in : And have not most of the people you are describing as desktop users moved on to laptops, tablets and mobile phones as their primary computing device? :--) Philosophically, that's a good point. It would be interesting to see who is on a "desktop" nowadays. Gamers for sure. All of the gamers that I know, which is maybe a dozen, have moved to 'gaming laptops'. I was surprised to see it. Yeah, that's why they make stuff like this. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11246/...r-titan-review Intel Core i7-7920HQ 4C/8T NVIDIA GTX 1080 SLI, 8GB GDDR5X Per Card Battery 75 Wh, 2 x 330W AC Adapter Weight 13.1 lbs $4399+ I think my desktop case is still a bit heavier than that. It takes two out-sized AC adapters to feed it. Which is pretty impressive, when you consider the adapters have nothing but conduction/convection cooling. And no big-ass cooling fins. I'm very impressed. http://images.anandtech.com/doci/112...ords_575px.jpg So you could sit on the couch, and put one adapter under each armpit. Great data point. Here's another one. Last Christmas I let a family member pick out his own gift - a gaming laptop. It came with a note, more like sort of a warning, that certain popular games, (it had a list but I've forgotten), would draw more power than the AC adapter was able to provide. Long periods of game play would therefore draw from the battery. I think that was an Asus. Which means at some point, you'd have to stop and recharge the battery (for an hour). Cool. Exactly. Other than that, he liked the laptop well enough to select it, but that sounds to me like a bit of a design flaw. I think they claimed about 7 hours of continuous game play with a fully charged battery. I joked with him that that should be enough and his response was that I'd probably be surprised at how long some sessions go. |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
Char Jackson wrote:
Exactly. Other than that, he liked the laptop well enough to select it, but that sounds to me like a bit of a design flaw. I think they claimed about 7 hours of continuous game play with a fully charged battery. I joked with him that that should be enough and his response was that I'd probably be surprised at how long some sessions go. Which is preciesely why, when I was a gamer, I loved my desktops -- could draw 4A or more for as long as I "needed" for that session. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
Gene Wirchenko wrote in :
The UI for an automobile is considerably more complicated, and yet people manage. It's a good point that every person (essentially) can manage an automobile (although some crash) just as every person somehow manages MS windows and Apple stuff (not necessarily Linux though). Every person somehow manages a mobile phone OS also, and some people even manage router OS and microwave OS. The one interface I can't seem to manage (without the instructions, and sometimes even with them) is my darn Intermedic digital alarm clock from Lowes. Darn that abomination to UI hell! |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
On 12/05/2017 04:24, John & Jane Doe wrote:
The one interface I can't seem to manage (without the instructions, and sometimes even with them) You are clearly not an intelligent person so have you thought of taking your machine to your local geek shop who can fix it for you for a small charge? Alternatively, wipe the disk clean and install Linux so that Linux junkies can bend backwards to sort you out. they don't have anything else to do in life. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
On 05/09/17 07:00, John & Jane Doe wrote:
Bill wrote in : I assume the OP's My Computer is not the same as Microsoft's My Computer, so disabling all icons this way is not what is being talked about. He will just have to remove all unwanted icons individually as he has done in XP. Whether it's linux or windows xp or windows 10, we all do the same things, so the user interface has no reason to be different in functionality. In Linux the GUI differs a lot, this for people like to do things in different ways and you have the freedom to choose which one you use and in the worst case you can patch the one which is closes to your wishes to do what you want. As microsft do not listen to it's end customers, you get a fixed GUI and it changes with version. If you prefer something more traditional from microsoft, then use microsoft windows 7, it's end date is January 14, 2020, which should be around when your current computer is too slow to run programs released for microsoft windows in 2020. I don't think I'm a genius but why am I the only one saying that there's nothing different whatsoever between what any person does on these desktop computers? Driving a car is the same for everyone too, getting from point A to B, but people do drive in different ways and come make a stop at point C before they arrive to point B. We all do the same thing. a. We run the same kinds of programs b. We save our data into the same kinds of files c. And we have to set up the system from time to time I did my install back in 2004 with some of the configuration files are back from my University years, just seen to keep it up to date, migrated it to new storage and when updating computer, just move the storage from the old computer to the new. So no, we do not need to set up the system from time to time, we just need to see to that the system is always up to date, free from known vulnerabilities. What he is asking for, and I would suggest is what many serious computer users want, is a straightforward operating system. It's a tragedy that Microsoft, with the experience and ability, no longer offer any such thing for desktop users. I just want a clean simple user interface that has simple access to: 1. My programs 2. My files 3. My settings Use microsoft windows 7 or one of the plenty free alternatives, ReactOS could be useful in a few years. -- //Aho |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
J.O. Aho wrote:
On 05/09/17 07:00, John & Jane Doe wrote: Bill wrote in : I assume the OP's My Computer is not the same as Microsoft's My Computer, so disabling all icons this way is not what is being talked about. He will just have to remove all unwanted icons individually as he has done in XP. Whether it's linux or windows xp or windows 10, we all do the same things, so the user interface has no reason to be different in functionality. In Linux the GUI differs a lot, this for people like to do things in different ways and you have the freedom to choose which one you use and in the worst case you can patch the one which is closes to your wishes to do what you want. As microsft do not listen to it's end customers, you get a fixed GUI and it changes with version. If you prefer something more traditional from microsoft, then use microsoft windows 7, it's end date is January 14, 2020, which should be around when your current computer is too slow to run programs released for microsoft windows in 2020. I have a couple examples for you. I have no particular ax to grind here. The point of this example, is to point out the difference between the two ecosystems. I've had installs of Ubuntu here since Ubuntu 7 or so. I've also successfully tested versions of Mint, and keep a Mint and a Ubuntu USB key (no persistence casper-rw). The latest versions, when I install, network manager seems to find the hardware, and set up networking. The machine gets a DHCP address. However, if I go to use a browser, it's obvious there is no DNS. I enter the Network Manager dialog, add "8.8.8.8" to IPV4 DNS, so I can have some source of DNS translation that works. This gave me a working network on the first session on Ubuntu 17.04, after a hard drive install. I figured that would be sufficient for future usage. But, the next time I booted the 17.04 hard drive, it was obvious there was a DNS problem. I went back to the Network Manager dialog that allows editing the connection. My 8.8.8.8 Google DNS entry was still there. I tried adding a second entry, disconnected the connection and connected it again. The OS was adamant that the network was connected, but the browser could not reach anything. ******* OK, so that can probably be fixed. Without a browser, it's pretty hard to bootstrap myself and fix that. Broken networks are a pretty egregious barrier to entry for new users. I'm just hoping this is not a QA issue. That's what bothers me about it. I cannot think of any Windows installs I've done here, which exactly matched this. Yes, a driver can be missing, like if you have a brand new Intel NIC from 2016, and you install Win2K. You could certainly consider that to be a "defect", but then I wouldn't be installing such an OS, unless I had a NIC present in the machine that reasonably matches the era. I'd install my RealTek 8139 if I wanted to re-test Win2K (driver CD in hand). Even older Linux distros, will not work on newer hardware, but I'm not quoting such experiences, because these situations are not something you would expect to be supported. I have a favorite old Knoppix 5.3.1 DVD that dies while booting, but... that's life. And that's about the same as running a Win2K install, without a NIC from the era to make things easier. I don't think Knoppix really liked my CPU for some reason. How can we solve the QA issue ? How can we have a basic working core OS, after a hard drive install ? I don't care if the DE is pretty or not. I cannot install an alternate DE without a working network. Even run in Live Mode, MINT 18.1 and Ubuntu 17.04 have broken networking (no DNS). To install them properly, I first had to fix networking enough so the repositories could be online during the install. Paul |
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[OT]WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
On Fri, 12 May 2017 08:03:01 +0100, "David B."
wrote: "Why do you take money out of the pockets of the artist " The person you are STALKING is NOT an employee of the RIAA. You are probably too drunk ATM to figure that out for yourself. HTH PS Off Topic STALKING post, *AGAIN*. If you want to STALK and TROLL do it in your Mac groups. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
Paul wrote in news
The latest versions, when I install, network manager seems to find the hardware, and set up networking. The machine gets a DHCP address. However, if I go to use a browser, it's obvious there is no DNS. All I will say here is that I was tracking down DNS leaks under VPN where there is a key file on Linux (I forget the exact directory) that is a meld of one (or two?) other files, which, once you edit (making sure you edit the right one as the other is overwritten), works fine. I realize I'm devoid above in hard directories and file names, but that's the gist of what I recall from fighting DNS issues on Ubuntu years ago. Sorry not to be of much help. |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
J.O. Aho wrote in :
In Linux the GUI differs a lot, this for people like to do things in different ways and you have the freedom to choose which one you use and in the worst case you can patch the one which is closes to your wishes to do what you want. I have used Linux in the past, for a few years, and SunOS/Solaris before that, and Masscomp DECVMS, etc., before that. If we skip the command-line interface of Linux (because Microsoft doesn't, in effect, have one), then I think Linux is not all that different from Microsoft when we speak about DESKTOP situations. By that I mean all the Linux desktops do the same thing as do the Microsoft Windows (and Apple) desktops. 1. They provide menus 2. They provide links to folders 3. They provide links to run applications etc. So, fundamentally, I don't really claim that there is any functional difference in the desktop environment at the user level. NOTE: At the *customization* level, and the *automation* level, there are astoundingly huge differences. As microsft do not listen to it's end customers, you get a fixed GUI and it changes with version. If you prefer something more traditional from microsoft, then use microsoft windows 7, it's end date is January 14, 2020, which should be around when your current computer is too slow to run programs released for microsoft windows in 2020. You and I are at different levels, philosophically. Have I mentioned that we all do essentially the same thing on all desktops? So, whether it's Linux, or an Apple or Windows whatever, the job it simply to control the operating system so that it does what you do all day. 1. It runs programs that do stuff 2. It finds and edits and saves files There's no difference in operating systems for desktops. They all do the same thing because we all do the same things. Driving a car is the same for everyone too, getting from point A to B, but people do drive in different ways and come make a stop at point C before they arrive to point B. That's the wrong argument, I think. Functionally, all cars are the same. What you're saying is, in effect, that going from point c to point d is functionally different than going from point a to point b. I respectfully disagree. That's like saying editing & saving a Powerpoint file is functionally different than editing & saving a MS Word file. To me, functionally, that's simply editing & saving a file. You and I are at different levels, philosophically. Use microsoft windows 7 or one of the plenty free alternatives, ReactOS could be useful in a few years. You seem to think I'm denigrating Windows 10, but with Windows10+Classic operating system, I can do what I need to do. At this point, my needs are just to understand what the Microsoft philosophy is and whether that makes sense. If the Microsoft philosophy makes sense, then I try to go with it unless the Microsoft implementation is just horrid (which is very often the case), in which case, I don't go with the flow. Basically, that's where I am now, so there's no need to go to Windows 7 since the Windows10+Classic operating system seems fully functional for what people do. |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
On 05/12/2017 12:01 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
[snip] If you prefer something more traditional from microsoft, then use microsoft windows 7, it's end date is January 14, 2020, which should be around when your current computer is too slow to run programs released for microsoft windows in 2020. This "end date" is NOT the end. It's when MS stops providing support. MS support isn't very helpful to individuals, and has nothing to do with being able to use the software. |
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WinXP user bought first desktop Win7 - Win10 Pro
On 05/11/2017 10:24 PM, John & Jane Doe wrote:
[snip]] The one interface I can't seem to manage (without the instructions, and sometimes even with them) is my darn Intermedic digital alarm clock from Lowes. Intermedic or Intermatic? Darn that abomination to UI hell! Some of these things can be really complicated. I have a few Intermatic units that are very easy to set. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Q: 'Let us pray for understanding and for compassion.' Picard: 'Let us do no such damn thing.'" |
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