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  #271  
Old May 7th 18, 08:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Wolf K wrote:
[...]
As I said, Ontario has (finally) made "distracted driving" a
(Provincial) driving offense (summary conviction, fine and demerit
points). It was the documented cases of cellphone use factoring in
accidents that prompted the legislators to crack down on idiots.


Same/similar here in The Netherlands. After years of continual
decline, since 2014 the death toll is on the rise again. Many of those
cases have been proven to be - mainly - caused by mobile phone use.

Another stat: 89% of drivers use their mobile phone while driving.
That percentage is very high, considering that holding one's phone is
illegal here (fine some $300) and most people do not call hands free
(How stupid can you be!?).

This resulted in a proposed law which plans to increase the maximum
jail time for reckless driving to 6 years.

FWIW, already last century, my employer - and many others - strongly
discouraged the use of mobile phones in company cars. We were supposed
to safely pull over and then call back or call.

Wonder why they had this silly policy!? After all, according to Mr.
EMAK and his twin brother, mobile phones are perfectly safe and don't/
can't cause accidents!
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  #272  
Old May 7th 18, 10:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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nospam wrote:


also, from that link,
That same year, 10 percent of all teen drivers involved in fatal
crashes were reported as distracted at the time of the crash.

since they're dead, there is no way to know for certain if they were
distracted or not, so that's nothing more than an assumption, but
regardless, if 10% were distracted, then 90% of teens involved in fatal
crashes were *not* distracted.


Wrong! A fatal crash is where *someone* died not everyone. Often drivers
that cause the crash survive and can be readily interviewed. Quite easy to
find out what happened in these cases.
  #273  
Old May 8th 18, 12:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 7 May 2018 19:12:40 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Wolf K wrote:
[...]
As I said, Ontario has (finally) made "distracted driving" a
(Provincial) driving offense (summary conviction, fine and demerit
points). It was the documented cases of cellphone use factoring in
accidents that prompted the legislators to crack down on idiots.


Same/similar here in The Netherlands. After years of continual
decline, since 2014 the death toll is on the rise again. Many of those
cases have been proven to be - mainly - caused by mobile phone use.

Another stat: 89% of drivers use their mobile phone while driving.
That percentage is very high, considering that holding one's phone is
illegal here (fine some $300) and most people do not call hands free
(How stupid can you be!?).


Hands free does not seem to affect the risk. Its major advantage is
that it is not illegal.

This resulted in a proposed law which plans to increase the maximum
jail time for reckless driving to 6 years.

FWIW, already last century, my employer - and many others - strongly
discouraged the use of mobile phones in company cars. We were supposed
to safely pull over and then call back or call.

Wonder why they had this silly policy!? After all, according to Mr.
EMAK and his twin brother, mobile phones are perfectly safe and don't/
can't cause accidents!

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  #274  
Old May 8th 18, 12:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 7 May 2018 15:52:19 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote:

In , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I'm a life member of SAE(Intl) and among other things I've
investigated motor vehicle accidents for more than 30 years before I
retired. I've since got rid of my technical library but I've had
hundreds of pounds of data of all kinds.

You are both an idiot and a troll.


You are not an educated person.
That is clear from what you write.
I have degrees also, probably far more than you do.
But that doesn't make me an educated person.

That you are clearly in the bottom quadrant of the DK scale is obvious that
you self assess your skill set at such an awkwardly high level which most
of us clearly see as far too high when we assess your skill level.

I assess your skill level, for example, as extremely low, since you clearly
can't see past your own intuition.

If you intuit, for example, that an accident must have been caused by fault
brakes, and yet, there is absolutly zero evicdence to support your claim,
it would be the same situation as you're intuiting here.

Only when you can progress past your intuition will your claim of being an
engineer contain any merit.

Right now, all you've shown to us is your inherent intuition.
Guess what?

Even the dumbest of the dumb has the same inherent intuition.
Even the least educated of the least educated has the same intuition.

Your intuition carries you no further than the inherent intuition of the
dumbest of the dumb and of the least educated of the least educated.

It's only when (and, in this case, 'if') you show you can progress past
your inherent intuition that your (currently hard-to-believe) claim of
being an engineer with education would carry even a single iota of merit.

*Show us that you can think past your inherent intuition.*

For example, read this hypothesis...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/fJBY472ds3E/HTFDCGF-BQAJ

If you've progressed past the limits of your intuition, and if you really
are an engineer (as am I, although not in this particular field), then you
are invited to help other sentient logical thinking adults flesh out why
cellphone use has no measurable effect on the overall accident rate.


Judging by results you are not obviously in the category of " sentient
logical thinking adults".
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  #275  
Old May 8th 18, 12:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 7 May 2018 14:29:10 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote:

In , nospam
wrote:

nobody said cellphones are never a factor, but it's not as many as
people think.


Hello nospam,

You're the only one on this thread who has progressed to the level of
understanding what I'm going to say next, so this is just to you, as I
don't think I'll be replying much more, as the conversation has dropped
down to the childish level what with Eric Stevens and Wolf K dominating the
conversation.

This is likely my last adult discourse on this thread, unless another adult
shows up who possesses logical thought processes.

Given these facts:
1. Distractions "must" be causing (probably most) accidents


An assumption.

2. Cellphones must be an "added distraction" that didn't exist prior
3. And yet, the accident rate is wholly unaffected by cellphones


Which is not correct. In any case you have made no attempt to show
that it is true.

My tentative hypothesis is the following:
A. There are many (probably hundreds to thousands) of distractions
B. Some people handle those thousands of distractions in every commute
C. Some people don't handle those thousands of distractions in every
commute


I wonder why? How many distractions at one time can a driver safely
handle?

Insurance companies "know" (statistically) who those people are.
It has a lot to do with intelligence (e.g., good driver discounts).
It has a lot to do with age (e.g., mature driver discounts)
It has a lot to do with vehicle (e.g., sports car penalties)
It has a lot to do with respect for laws (e.g., traffic ticket penalties)
It even has something to do with gender (e.g., boys pay more than girls)

Distractions exist, in the thousands in every single commute.
These people WILL have accidents, no matter what.

What I posit is may be happening is this situation before cellphones:
A. Distraction #1 causes the most accidents
B. Distraction #2 causes the next most accidents
C. Distraction #3 causes the 3rd most number of accidents
C. Distraction #4 is next
D. Distraction #5 is next
E. Distraction #6 is next
F. Distraction #7 is next
G. Distraction #8 is next
H. Distraction #9 is next
I. Distraqction #10 is next
... and so on for thousands of distractions in every commute ...

I posit that the accident rate hasn't changed due to the extreme magnitude
and timing of the "added" distraction of cellphones, simply because it
became in the list above, somewhere displacing one other distraction.


That's your hypothesis upon which you have been basing your argument
for several days.

So, for example, if cellphones are at level "G" (#8) above, they simply
moved #8 to position #9, and down the line.

The point is that cellphones can not possibly be in the top few, simply
because the accident rates haven't changed - but cellphones exist - in huge
numbers - so the only question is WHICH DISTRACTION did they replace.


You don't know any of that. You have merely assumed it. Where is your
data? Where is your analysis?

The answer to that question is meaningless - since it's clearly not in the
top few - but I posit cellphones did replace only the POSITION of an
existing distraction, which simply moved that distraction down one level.

I realize this hypothesis will be lost on almost everyone on this newsgroup
who has posted, so I will not respond to any childish responses.

I will respond to adult logical thinking but not to the mindless childish
drivel that seems to be prevailing now that Wolf K, Frank Slootweg, and
Eric Stevens have joined the rabble.

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Regards,

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  #276  
Old April 15th 20, 07:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen Holder[_7_]
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UPDATE:

It's highly instructive that, combined, after almost three hundred
contributions from over thirty authors, nobody can come up with even a
dozen important functionalities that we can do on Windows 10 that we can't
already do on all other Windows operating systems from Windows XP onward.
o *What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/fJBY472ds3E/W539WlUTAwAJ

Likewise, it's just as informative that we seem to arrive at a similar
conclusion for the various Microsoft Office versions extent:
o *What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office*
*that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/sKGer09EakA/F4duRogaBQAJ]

The adult technical takeaway, could be, unless there's actually something
of truly useful value, that the updates are not as meaningful as Microsoft
marketing would have us attempt to believe.
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  #277  
Old April 15th 20, 10:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 4/15/2020 11:54 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
UPDATE:
It's highly instructive that, combined, after almost three hundred
contributions from over thirty authors, nobody can come up with even a
dozen important functionalities that we can do on Windows 10 that we can't
already do on all other Windows operating systems from Windows XP onward.
o *What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or
Windows 7?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/fJBY472ds3E/W539WlUTAwAJ


Likewise, it's just as informative that we seem to arrive at a similar
conclusion for the various Microsoft Office versions extent:
o *What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office* Â**that
isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/sKGer09EakA/F4duRogaBQAJ]


The adult technical takeaway, could be, unless there's actually something
of truly useful value, that the updates are not as meaningful as Microsoft
marketing would have us attempt to believe.


Rerun
  #278  
Old April 16th 20, 02:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2020-04-15, Arlen Holder wrote:
It's highly instructive that, combined, after almost three hundred
contributions from over thirty authors, nobody can come up with even a
dozen important functionalities that we can do on Windows 10 that we can't
already do on all other Windows operating systems from Windows XP onward.
o *What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?*


I haven't read all the responses, but isn't it true that with Windows 10
you can enjoy Microsoft having virtually complete control over updates,
pushing them to your PC whether you want them or not, especially the
Home edition? Also last time I checked, earlier versions of Windows
don't cajole the owner during setup into signing on with a Microsoft
account, nor do they by default permit Microsoft to do maximum tracking
of user activities. After all, wouldn't everyone want to be part of
the "Microsoft Cloud"? Windows 10 does it all for you by default!

Certainly these are all examples of important features available
in Windows 10 that are missing from Windows XP through Windows 7.

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  #279  
Old April 16th 20, 02:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen Holder[_7_]
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In response to what Avila Kap wrote :

Rerun


Hi Avila Kap,

The _adult_ topic is a "plateau point" for the Microsoft Windows platform.

Your "rerun" was too short to add any value, so I suspect your post perhaps
was meant to subtract value where I should point out the _adult_ concept.

The _adult_ concept here is that, despite however many hundreds of millions
of dollars of marketing and even more in development costs....

*Windows 10 does just about the same things as do all Windows versions.*
o That's simply a fact we proved in this thread after hundreds of inputs.

You may feel that an unimportant point - but I _know_ it's significant.

Bear in mind I spent decades in Silicon Valley high-tech startup software,
some of it in MARKETING, where almost all software plateaus.

An adult would discuss the plateau point for Microsoft Windows, which, I
suspect, would likely be around Windows XP or, perhaps, Windows 7.

What do you think about that important _adult_ concept, Avila Kap?
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  #280  
Old April 16th 20, 02:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In response to what Roger Blake wrote :

Certainly these are all examples of important features available
in Windows 10 that are missing from Windows XP through Windows 7.


Hi Roger Blake,

There were over 300 inputs from over 30 authors on this important topic.
o As such, there are 2 critically important concepts this thread revealed.

a. Windows has perhaps plateau'd in that there's been fewer than ten useful
functionalities in Windows 10 that you can't do in the older Windows.

b. Almost everything that Microsoft advertises as value in Windows 10,
can be obtained in all the other Windows by an intelligent user base.

Including updates.
o Just not automatic.
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  #281  
Old April 16th 20, 03:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-04-15, Arlen Holder wrote:
It's highly instructive that, combined, after almost three hundred
contributions from over thirty authors, nobody can come up with even a
dozen important functionalities that we can do on Windows 10 that we can't
already do on all other Windows operating systems from Windows XP onward.
o *What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?*


I haven't read all the responses, but isn't it true that with Windows 10
you can enjoy Microsoft having virtually complete control over updates,
pushing them to your PC whether you want them or not, especially the
Home edition? Also last time I checked, earlier versions of Windows
don't cajole the owner during setup into signing on with a Microsoft
account, nor do they by default permit Microsoft to do maximum tracking
of user activities. After all, wouldn't everyone want to be part of
the "Microsoft Cloud"? Windows 10 does it all for you by default!

Certainly these are all examples of important features available
in Windows 10 that are missing from Windows XP through Windows 7.


The aggression level on updates has been turned down a bit.

Pop in a copy and track it.

You don't need a license. It runs without activation.
What you miss by not activating, is the "Settings : Personalize"
won't work for you.

Then, if you want to examine how a Windows Update works or
doesn't work, you can have a look at it.

Some Windows Updates only show up, when you start clicking
stuff. There is also a "button to delay", intended for
work related activity where you wanted to push out the updates
until the weekend.

It's still a nuisance though. Sooner or later, you will be
pushing that button like crazy, sucking in the updates,
rebooting again and again... just to make it stop :-)
I don't particularly appreciate being teased. I can
"cut the nuts off it" if I have to. I haven't tested
lately to see if they've put a stop to that or not.
They've removed two mechanisms to break into the
system as administrator (for the purpose of password
recovery of local-accounts only). They have made some
changes to the "convenience features" in that regard.
osk.exe method doesn't work any more.

As for some of the "features" of this OS, they're in the
Enterprise edition, and only an Enterprise user can
answer this question. For example, there's a security
feature, where a document marked "Confidential", a user
cannot copy and paste text from that document into
an email. This is intended for Enterprise situations
where security controls are in place. The IT guy in
such a situation, has to define storage structures
such that things are classified in a way that the
Enterprise edition can detect. The end result is that
exfiltrating information a bit at a time, is thwarted.

Microsoft as a company, is more interested in keeping
it's "big time pay" customers happy. So some of the
newer features are for them. As is the notion of using
Home and Pro users as "QA" for the product, spotting
bad updates, making QA-like squeaking noises and so on.

Some of the Home/Pro new content, is for rich people.
Such as individuals who own VR or AR hardware. There are
some gamer features of dubious value. There's things
here and there if you look. I don't own an XBox, so
I'm unlikely to spot the integration features.

The OS was also an opportunity to monetize the output
of the Microsoft Research group. That's where some of the
content has come from.

Paul
  #282  
Old April 16th 20, 02:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:

Microsoft as a company, is more interested in keeping
it's "big time pay" customers happy.


Then you would think that they would offer more customization options to
Enterprise users, for at least some of the annoyances. But no. For example, they
have in no way addressed the "sticky corners of the displays" annoyance, which
is more likely to affect Enterprise users who use multiple monitors.

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  #283  
Old April 16th 20, 11:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Arlen Holder wrote in news:r77l8f$dmv$1
@news.mixmin.net:




Didn't you know? MS updates are so they can inject more spyware into your
machine and disable it if it's not an official paid for version. It's not
about functionality, it's about enforcing more profits.
  #284  
Old April 16th 20, 11:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Roger Blake wrote in
:

On 2020-04-15, Arlen Holder wrote:
It's highly instructive that, combined, after almost three hundred
contributions from over thirty authors, nobody can come up with even
a dozen important functionalities that we can do on Windows 10 that
we can't already do on all other Windows operating systems from
Windows XP onward. o *What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do
on Windows XP or Windows 7?*


I haven't read all the responses, but isn't it true that with Windows
10 you can enjoy Microsoft having virtually complete control over
updates, pushing them to your PC whether you want them or not,
especially the Home edition? Also last time I checked, earlier
versions of Windows don't cajole the owner during setup into signing
on with a Microsoft account, nor do they by default permit Microsoft
to do maximum tracking of user activities. After all, wouldn't
everyone want to be part of the "Microsoft Cloud"? Windows 10 does it
all for you by default!

Certainly these are all examples of important features available
in Windows 10 that are missing from Windows XP through Windows 7.


billy boy gates, once a thief, always a thief
  #285  
Old May 27th 20, 08:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen Holder[_9_]
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UPDATE:

Maybe, finally, there will be something useful in Windows 10 that you can't
already do in any of the previous versions of Windows?
o *The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is finally now released 5/27/2020*
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/C8uKEw5vIMA
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