Peace Loving Religion has done it again .........................

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?





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On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(


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In article , ,
Ken Springer says...

On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(

OK, well as of a few hours ago when he was still alive then

One day, hopefully one day soon, these people (religious people) will
have the knowledge (they already have the intelligence) to work out that
all the 3,000+ gods are man-made constructs.

--
Duncan.

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(



Quite so. When you read the histories of the Crusades or the Spanish
Inquisition, you come to the conclusion quite quickly that arseholes can
climb the power ladder under almost any social system.

Ed

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:46:56 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

In article , ,
Ken Springer says...

On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(

OK, well as of a few hours ago when he was still alive then

One day, hopefully one day soon, these people (religious people) will
have the knowledge (they already have the intelligence) to work out that
all the 3,000+ gods are man-made constructs.

None of this is about any deity, but rather it is about power, money
and or control. That is what religion has been since humans dreamed
up our first gods. Yes, some of the soldiers might actually believe
in their deity, but the leaders are well aware they do not actually
exist.

The concept of gods is a tool; a lever and a cudgel, to move and
influence and punish those the leaders wish to control.

On 6/13/2016 9:18 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:46:56 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

In article , ,
Ken Springer says...

On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(

OK, well as of a few hours ago when he was still alive then

One day, hopefully one day soon, these people (religious people) will
have the knowledge (they already have the intelligence) to work out that
all the 3,000+ gods are man-made constructs.

None of this is about any deity, but rather it is about power, money
and or control. That is what religion has been since humans dreamed
up our first gods. Yes, some of the soldiers might actually believe
in their deity, but the leaders are well aware they do not actually
exist.

The concept of gods is a tool; a lever and a cudgel, to move and
influence and punish those the leaders wish to control.

Our country is based on the Christian religion. In spite of what
Jeffersnon said about the separation of church and state, the men who
wrote the constitution never had that idea of the separation that is
being pushed on us today. This is evidenced by the fact that the same
men, who wrote the Constitution, said in the North West Ordinances which
they passed as member of the Congress under the Article of
Confederation. In the North West Ordinance which is the basis for all
states coming into the Union after 1787, they said

Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge, being necessary
to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means
of education shall forever be encouraged" approved by US CONGRESS July
13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was
approved September 17, 1787.

The Christian religion IS maintained by humans trying to follow the two
basic rules in the new Testament of the Christian Bible.
1. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
2. Love thy neighbor as your self.

Humans make mistakes and in trying to achieve their ideals sometimes go
astray. Over 2000 years Christians have made mistakes, but also
following those two rules have done a lot of good. Slavery has been
eliminated from the Christian world, but still is an important part of
the muslim world.

Because of those two rules women have gained rights that have not been
achieved in the muslim world. The same with the civil rights.

Has there been any other country in history that has done what the
Christian based United States has done. Since we are human we have made
mistakes, but because we are a Christian nation realized we were wrong
and tried to correct them. Did we correct the over night or in a couple
of years? No! Are we trying to correct them because we believe in the
above two rules? YES!

As it says in the Constitution

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of
Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America.

If this country is not following the two rules from the new testament in
the Christian Bible, then we humans are the cause of the problem not the
Christian religion which we profess to follow.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:50 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(



Quite so. When you read the histories of the Crusades or the Spanish
Inquisition, you come to the conclusion quite quickly that arseholes can
climb the power ladder under almost any social system.

Ed

How much of this miscreant behavior should we attribute to Satan's
influence in his work toward separating people from God? Satan is
still going at it full strength and has been since the beginning.
Gordon

Good Guy wrote on 06/12/2016 8:19 PM:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?





Atrocities have occurred in the name of or against religion for centuries.
Christianity, Buddhism, Thuggee(India,Muslim not Islam), Mormons,
Puritans, Romans, Spanish(Inquisition), Romans(Persecution), Aztec and
Mayan(sacrifice), Islam.

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...winston
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.. . .winston wrote on 6/13/2016 12:20 PM:
Good Guy wrote on 06/12/2016 8:19 PM:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Atrocities have occurred in the name of or against religion for centuries.
Christianity, Buddhism, Thuggee(India,Muslim not Islam), Mormons,
Puritans, Romans, Spanish(Inquisition), Romans(Persecution), Aztec and
Mayan(sacrifice), Islam.

Notable absence: Judaism.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:22:26 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/13/2016 9:18 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:46:56 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

In article , ,
Ken Springer says...

On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(

OK, well as of a few hours ago when he was still alive then

One day, hopefully one day soon, these people (religious people) will
have the knowledge (they already have the intelligence) to work out that
all the 3,000+ gods are man-made constructs.

None of this is about any deity, but rather it is about power, money
and or control. That is what religion has been since humans dreamed
up our first gods. Yes, some of the soldiers might actually believe
in their deity, but the leaders are well aware they do not actually
exist.

The concept of gods is a tool; a lever and a cudgel, to move and
influence and punish those the leaders wish to control.

Our country is based on the Christian religion.

SNIP

Keith, forgive me for snipping your word wall, my reason for doing so
is; the premise of your entire post was based upon the first sentence,
quoted above.

Your premise is specious and fallacious, propaganda which has been
repeated so often by Christians that many people actually accept it as
being factual. that said, I direct your attention to the Treaty of
Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of
America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary).

This treaty was signed in November of 1796, ratified unanimously by
the US Senate on 7 June 1797 and signed into "LAW" by President John
Adams (arguably the most significant founder of our nation), 10 June
1797.

Article 11 of the treaty reads:

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of
enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as
the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility
against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no
pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

You can see the full content of the treaty, he

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

Lastly, your reply to my post, in no way addressed my statements.

On 6/13/2016 12:12 PM, Alek wrote:
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge, being necessary
to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means
of education shall forever be encouraged" approved by US CONGRESS July
13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was
approved September 17, 1787.
That's taken out of context!


The above is verbatim from Article 3. "An Ordinance for the government
of the Territory of the United States northwest of the River Ohio."

http://ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=8

http://ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flas...age=transcript

http://ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flas...doc=8&page=pdf

On 6/13/2016 12:48 PM, Alek wrote:
. . .winston wrote on 6/13/2016 12:20 PM:
Good Guy wrote on 06/12/2016 8:19 PM:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Atrocities have occurred in the name of or against religion for centuries.
Christianity, Buddhism, Thuggee(India,Muslim not Islam), Mormons,
Puritans, Romans, Spanish(Inquisition), Romans(Persecution), Aztec and
Mayan(sacrifice), Islam.

Notable absence: Judaism.

From which the Christian Religion is rooted

Keith Nuttle wrote on 6/13/2016 1:03 PM:
On 6/13/2016 12:12 PM, Alek wrote:
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge, being necessary
to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means
of education shall forever be encouraged" approved by US CONGRESS July
13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was
approved September 17, 1787.
That's taken out of context!


The above is verbatim from Article 3. "An Ordinance for the government
of the Territory of the United States northwest of the River Ohio."

http://ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=8

http://ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flas...age=transcript

http://ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flas...doc=8&page=pdf


"An Ordinance for the government of the Territory of the United States
northwest of the River Ohio."

Pertains only to the Northwest Territory.

"Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good
government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of
education shall forever be encouraged. The utmost good faith shall
always be observed towards the Indians; their lands and property shall
never be taken from them without their consent; and, in their property,
rights, and liberty, they shall never be invaded or disturbed, unless in
just and lawful wars authorized by Congress; but laws founded in justice
and humanity, shall from time to time be made for preventing wrongs
being done to them, and for preserving peace and friendship with them."

Pertains to Indians.

Keith Nuttle wrote on 6/13/2016 1:04 PM:
On 6/13/2016 12:48 PM, Alek wrote:
. . .winston wrote on 6/13/2016 12:20 PM:
Good Guy wrote on 06/12/2016 8:19 PM:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Atrocities have occurred in the name of or against religion for centuries.
Christianity, Buddhism, Thuggee(India,Muslim not Islam), Mormons,
Puritans, Romans, Spanish(Inquisition), Romans(Persecution), Aztec and
Mayan(sacrifice), Islam.

Notable absence: Judaism.

From which the Christian Religion is rooted

So what? No atrocities have occurred in the name of Judaism.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek
wrote:

And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority
voters from voting?

The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln,
the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It
was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which
introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the
United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in
public, political elections) to African Americans.

The Democrat party has been responsible for prolonging slavery,
undermining the 15th amendment and arguably, a vile genocide, in the
form of abortion, against millions of babies of minor ethnicity.

I understand you wish to place yourself and your ideology above
others, but you do a disservice to everyone by spreading false
narrative propaganda in order to promote a misguided agenda.