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  #31  
Old June 14th 16, 01:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?


Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(



Mormons, in 1857 (120 killed)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

One of the better known examples in the USA.


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  #32  
Old June 14th 16, 02:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article ,
lid, Stormin' Norman says...

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:46:56 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

In article ,
,
Ken Springer says...

On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(


OK, well as of a few hours ago when he was still alive then

One day, hopefully one day soon, these people (religious people) will
have the knowledge (they already have the intelligence) to work out that
all the 3,000+ gods are man-made constructs.


None of this is about any deity, but rather it is about power, money
and or control. That is what religion has been since humans dreamed
up our first gods. Yes, some of the soldiers might actually believe
in their deity, but the leaders are well aware they do not actually
exist.

The concept of gods is a tool; a lever and a cudgel, to move and
influence and punish those the leaders wish to control.


You seem to be be missing the obvious. If people didn't believe in god
(any god), there would be no religion nor religious power. The money
and power would dry up tomorrow.

There is no god, never has been, never will be. It's just a matter of
understanding science. Science is not knowledge, simply though, the
only accurate and true way in which we obtain knowledge.

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  #33  
Old June 14th 16, 02:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:36:05 -0400, Alek
wrote:

Roger Blake wrote on 6/13/2016 7:28 PM:
On 2016-06-13, Alek wrote:
I did not mention a time frame. I forget when it began but sometime
after Lincoln, Republicans worked to disenfranchise minorities.


Since it appears you are familiar with the subject it should be trivial
for you to provide a few specific examples and name a few of the people
who were disenfranchised.

Certainly in times past it was the Democrat party which was the party of
slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and the KKK. (A former member of the KKK,
Democrat Bob Byrd, kept his Senate seat from 1959 until his death in
2010.) It was also the Democrat party that fought tooth and nail against
the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (A much higher percentage of Republicans
than Democrats voted for its passage.)


Citation?


Here is a citation pertaining to the '64 civil rights act, as you can
see, some democrats aggressively tried to kill it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

The point here isn't that one party is better than the other, the
point is that you should reconsider painting your fellow citizens with
such a broad brush.

Another example would be that Trump is the nominee of the Republican
party, but a very large number of conservative, such as myself, feel
he is the worst thing that has ever happened to conservatism. In fact
people such as myself feel that he and Hillary Clinton are equally
evil and not morally qualified to be POTUS.
  #34  
Old June 14th 16, 02:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stormin' Norman
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:07:25 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

In article ,
, Stormin' Norman says...

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:46:56 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

In article , ,
Ken Springer says...

On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-(

OK, well as of a few hours ago when he was still alive then

One day, hopefully one day soon, these people (religious people) will
have the knowledge (they already have the intelligence) to work out that
all the 3,000+ gods are man-made constructs.


None of this is about any deity, but rather it is about power, money
and or control. That is what religion has been since humans dreamed
up our first gods. Yes, some of the soldiers might actually believe
in their deity, but the leaders are well aware they do not actually
exist.

The concept of gods is a tool; a lever and a cudgel, to move and
influence and punish those the leaders wish to control.


You seem to be be missing the obvious. If people didn't believe in god
(any god), there would be no religion nor religious power. The money
and power would dry up tomorrow.

There is no god, never has been, never will be. It's just a matter of
understanding science. Science is not knowledge, simply though, the
only accurate and true way in which we obtain knowledge.


Actually, it is you who are missing the obvious. Re-read my post, I
used different words but conveyed concepts similar to what you have
put forth.
  #35  
Old June 14th 16, 02:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/06/2016 02:07, Dave Doe wrote:
There is no god, never has been, never will be.


You can't be serious man. Allah has been around for many centuries and
so has Jesus Christ. are you saying they were a bunch of crooks and
spivs defrauding the illiterate people? That's a very serious charge to
make against Allah. People are prepared to blow themselves up to
protect the name and reputation of Allah. Are they all mentally sick
nutters?






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Old June 14th 16, 02:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2016-06-13, Alek wrote:
Citation?


Personal memory, I was there. (I'm an old phart.)

A quick web search will confirm it, though I see another participant
has provided you with a specific link.

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  #37  
Old June 14th 16, 03:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek
wrote:

And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority
voters from voting?


The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln,
the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It
was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which
introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the
United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in
public, political elections) to African Americans.


And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as
it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to
minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and
innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor.

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  #38  
Old June 14th 16, 03:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:30 -0400, Tim Slattery
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek
wrote:

And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority
voters from voting?


The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln,
the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It
was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which
introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the
United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in
public, political elections) to African Americans.


And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as
it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to
minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and
innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor.



The Republican party of today is the same party which freed the slaves
and ensured the suffrage of African Americans.

Your attack is unfounded and you are unable to produce any evidence to
prove any such behavior is endemic to the Republican party as a whole.

You are behaving as a propagandist, spreading lies in the hopes they
will eventually be accepted as facts. Based on your behavior and the
nature of your assertions, a similar argument could be made pertaining
to the honesty and integrity of the Democrat party.

However, as a responsible conservative, I understand there are ad-hoc
whack jobs out there who do not represent the Democrat party as a
whole.
  #39  
Old June 14th 16, 03:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Stormin' Norman wrote:

Could we possibly get more off topic?

What part of DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS was too hard for you people to
understand?


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Old June 14th 16, 05:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stormin' Norman
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 07:55:06 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

Could we possibly get more off topic?

What part of DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS was too hard for you people to
understand?


As with any other [OT] thread, feel free to filter it. I have added
the designation to the subject to make it simple for you.
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Old June 14th 16, 06:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alek
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Tim Slattery wrote on 6/14/2016 10:28 AM:
Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek
wrote:

And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority
voters from voting?


The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln,
the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It
was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which
introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the
United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in
public, political elections) to African Americans.


And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as
it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to
minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and
innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor.


And this has been going on for some time. They may have championed
voting rights in the past but now they are focused on "voter fraud", a
very rare occurrence, to prevent poor people from voting.
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Old June 14th 16, 06:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Peace Loving Religion has done it again .........................

Stormin' Norman wrote on 6/14/2016 10:47 AM:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:30 -0400, Tim Slattery
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek
wrote:

And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority
voters from voting?

The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln,
the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It
was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which
introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the
United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in
public, political elections) to African Americans.


And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as
it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to
minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and
innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor.



The Republican party of today is the same party which freed the slaves
and ensured the suffrage of African Americans.

Your attack is unfounded and you are unable to produce any evidence to
prove any such behavior is endemic to the Republican party as a whole.

You are behaving as a propagandist, spreading lies in the hopes they
will eventually be accepted as facts. Based on your behavior and the
nature of your assertions, a similar argument could be made pertaining
to the honesty and integrity of the Democrat party.

However, as a responsible conservative, I understand there are ad-hoc
whack jobs out there who do not represent the Democrat party as a
whole.


Can I get some of what you're smoking? Are Republican members of
Congress members of that party?
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Old June 14th 16, 06:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Stormin' Norman wrote on 6/14/2016 10:47 AM:

The Republican party of today is the same party which freed the slaves
and ensured the suffrage of African Americans.


Doesn't seem to be.

You are behaving as a propagandist, spreading lies in the hopes they
will eventually be accepted as facts.


Oh, so now you're calling me Donald Trump??

However, as a responsible conservative, I understand there are ad-hoc
whack jobs out there who do not represent the Democrat party as a
whole.


Surely you're not thinking of me. Your thinking and your ad hominem
attacks are skewed.
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Old June 14th 16, 07:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Wolf K wrote on 6/14/2016 1:57 PM:
On 2016-06-13 19:13, Alek wrote:
Wolf K wrote on 6/13/2016 2:05 PM:
On 2016-06-13 12:48, Alek wrote:
. . .winston wrote on 6/13/2016 12:20 PM:
Good Guy wrote on 06/12/2016 8:19 PM:

This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have
your peace loving religion.

Is there any religion that can match this?

Atrocities have occurred in the name of or against religion for centuries.
Christianity, Buddhism, Thuggee(India,Muslim not Islam), Mormons,
Puritans, Romans, Spanish(Inquisition), Romans(Persecution), Aztec and
Mayan(sacrifice), Islam.

Notable absence: Judaism.

You haven't read the Old Testament.


I'm talking about historical facts, not "the word of God" as written by men.


Yeah, well, the OT tells of multiple genocides. And it does contain
clues to Middle-Eastern history, as do Sumerian, Babylonian, etc texts,
and of course the remains that the archaeologists dig up. Did you know
that until some humps and bumps were dug up, people didn't believe there
were Hittites, because the OT was the only place they were mentioned?


So you're telling me that what I read in the OT is historical fact?
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Old June 14th 16, 07:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2016-06-14, Alek wrote:
And this has been going on for some time. They may have championed
voting rights in the past but now they are focused on "voter fraud", a
very rare occurrence, to prevent poor people from voting.


People receiving government entitlements should not be permitted to vote
due to conflict of interest.

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