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Peace Loving Religion has done it again .........................
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Ken Springer wrote: On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote: This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have your peace loving religion. Is there any religion that can match this? Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-( Mormons, in 1857 (120 killed) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre One of the better known examples in the USA. Gary |
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:36:05 -0400, Alek
wrote: Roger Blake wrote on 6/13/2016 7:28 PM: On 2016-06-13, Alek wrote: I did not mention a time frame. I forget when it began but sometime after Lincoln, Republicans worked to disenfranchise minorities. Since it appears you are familiar with the subject it should be trivial for you to provide a few specific examples and name a few of the people who were disenfranchised. Certainly in times past it was the Democrat party which was the party of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and the KKK. (A former member of the KKK, Democrat Bob Byrd, kept his Senate seat from 1959 until his death in 2010.) It was also the Democrat party that fought tooth and nail against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (A much higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for its passage.) Citation? Here is a citation pertaining to the '64 civil rights act, as you can see, some democrats aggressively tried to kill it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 The point here isn't that one party is better than the other, the point is that you should reconsider painting your fellow citizens with such a broad brush. Another example would be that Trump is the nominee of the Republican party, but a very large number of conservative, such as myself, feel he is the worst thing that has ever happened to conservatism. In fact people such as myself feel that he and Hillary Clinton are equally evil and not morally qualified to be POTUS. |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:07:25 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , , Stormin' Norman says... On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:46:56 +1200, Dave Doe wrote: In article , , Ken Springer says... On 6/12/16 6:19 PM, Good Guy wrote: This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have your peace loving religion. Is there any religion that can match this? Christians in the past, I'm afraid. :-( OK, well as of a few hours ago when he was still alive then One day, hopefully one day soon, these people (religious people) will have the knowledge (they already have the intelligence) to work out that all the 3,000+ gods are man-made constructs. None of this is about any deity, but rather it is about power, money and or control. That is what religion has been since humans dreamed up our first gods. Yes, some of the soldiers might actually believe in their deity, but the leaders are well aware they do not actually exist. The concept of gods is a tool; a lever and a cudgel, to move and influence and punish those the leaders wish to control. You seem to be be missing the obvious. If people didn't believe in god (any god), there would be no religion nor religious power. The money and power would dry up tomorrow. There is no god, never has been, never will be. It's just a matter of understanding science. Science is not knowledge, simply though, the only accurate and true way in which we obtain knowledge. Actually, it is you who are missing the obvious. Re-read my post, I used different words but conveyed concepts similar to what you have put forth. |
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On 14/06/2016 02:07, Dave Doe wrote:
There is no god, never has been, never will be. You can't be serious man. Allah has been around for many centuries and so has Jesus Christ. are you saying they were a bunch of crooks and spivs defrauding the illiterate people? That's a very serious charge to make against Allah. People are prepared to blow themselves up to protect the name and reputation of Allah. Are they all mentally sick nutters? -- -- 1. /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying like a small baby.*/ 2. /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ i7 Machine http://s33.postimg.org/er0wkujun/Capture.png |
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On 2016-06-13, Alek wrote:
Citation? Personal memory, I was there. (I'm an old phart.) A quick web search will confirm it, though I see another participant has provided you with a specific link. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek wrote: And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority voters from voting? The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln, the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in public, political elections) to African Americans. And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor. -- Tim Slattery tim at risingdove dot com |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:30 -0400, Tim Slattery
wrote: Stormin' Norman wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek wrote: And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority voters from voting? The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln, the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in public, political elections) to African Americans. And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor. The Republican party of today is the same party which freed the slaves and ensured the suffrage of African Americans. Your attack is unfounded and you are unable to produce any evidence to prove any such behavior is endemic to the Republican party as a whole. You are behaving as a propagandist, spreading lies in the hopes they will eventually be accepted as facts. Based on your behavior and the nature of your assertions, a similar argument could be made pertaining to the honesty and integrity of the Democrat party. However, as a responsible conservative, I understand there are ad-hoc whack jobs out there who do not represent the Democrat party as a whole. |
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HEY! STOP IT! was: Peace Loving Religion has done it again .........................
Stormin' Norman wrote:
Could we possibly get more off topic? What part of DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS was too hard for you people to understand? -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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[OT] - Peace Loving Religion has done it again .........................
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 07:55:06 -0700, XS11E
wrote: Stormin' Norman wrote: Could we possibly get more off topic? What part of DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS was too hard for you people to understand? As with any other [OT] thread, feel free to filter it. I have added the designation to the subject to make it simple for you. |
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Tim Slattery wrote on 6/14/2016 10:28 AM:
Stormin' Norman wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek wrote: And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority voters from voting? The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln, the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in public, political elections) to African Americans. And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor. And this has been going on for some time. They may have championed voting rights in the past but now they are focused on "voter fraud", a very rare occurrence, to prevent poor people from voting. |
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Stormin' Norman wrote on 6/14/2016 10:47 AM:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:30 -0400, Tim Slattery wrote: Stormin' Norman wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:12:07 -0400, Alek wrote: And the Republican party's history of attempting to prevent minority voters from voting? The above statement is blatantly absurd. It was the party of Lincoln, the Republicans, who championed the cause and freed the slaves. It was the party of Ulysses S. Grant, again the Republican party, which introduced and ratified the 15th amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America which granted suffrage (the right to vote in public, political elections) to African Americans. And the modern Republican party is about as far from those ideals as it's possible to be. They specialize in gerrymandering districts to minimize the influence of minority voters. They look for new and innovative ways to disenfranchise minorities and the poor. The Republican party of today is the same party which freed the slaves and ensured the suffrage of African Americans. Your attack is unfounded and you are unable to produce any evidence to prove any such behavior is endemic to the Republican party as a whole. You are behaving as a propagandist, spreading lies in the hopes they will eventually be accepted as facts. Based on your behavior and the nature of your assertions, a similar argument could be made pertaining to the honesty and integrity of the Democrat party. However, as a responsible conservative, I understand there are ad-hoc whack jobs out there who do not represent the Democrat party as a whole. Can I get some of what you're smoking? Are Republican members of Congress members of that party? |
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Stormin' Norman wrote on 6/14/2016 10:47 AM:
The Republican party of today is the same party which freed the slaves and ensured the suffrage of African Americans. Doesn't seem to be. You are behaving as a propagandist, spreading lies in the hopes they will eventually be accepted as facts. Oh, so now you're calling me Donald Trump?? However, as a responsible conservative, I understand there are ad-hoc whack jobs out there who do not represent the Democrat party as a whole. Surely you're not thinking of me. Your thinking and your ad hominem attacks are skewed. |
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Wolf K wrote on 6/14/2016 1:57 PM:
On 2016-06-13 19:13, Alek wrote: Wolf K wrote on 6/13/2016 2:05 PM: On 2016-06-13 12:48, Alek wrote: . . .winston wrote on 6/13/2016 12:20 PM: Good Guy wrote on 06/12/2016 8:19 PM: This time it is only 50 dead and 53 critically injured!! There you have your peace loving religion. Is there any religion that can match this? Atrocities have occurred in the name of or against religion for centuries. Christianity, Buddhism, Thuggee(India,Muslim not Islam), Mormons, Puritans, Romans, Spanish(Inquisition), Romans(Persecution), Aztec and Mayan(sacrifice), Islam. Notable absence: Judaism. You haven't read the Old Testament. I'm talking about historical facts, not "the word of God" as written by men. Yeah, well, the OT tells of multiple genocides. And it does contain clues to Middle-Eastern history, as do Sumerian, Babylonian, etc texts, and of course the remains that the archaeologists dig up. Did you know that until some humps and bumps were dug up, people didn't believe there were Hittites, because the OT was the only place they were mentioned? So you're telling me that what I read in the OT is historical fact? |
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On 2016-06-14, Alek wrote:
And this has been going on for some time. They may have championed voting rights in the past but now they are focused on "voter fraud", a very rare occurrence, to prevent poor people from voting. People receiving government entitlements should not be permitted to vote due to conflict of interest. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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