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On Thu, 10 May 2018 20:27:47 -0700, togyukjb
wrote: Char Jackson wrote: togyukjb wrote: I said my ISP, like Gmail, sees my email traffic. Your ISP sees your traffic and knows its source and destination, but if it's encrypted they don't see the payload. Since my Gmail is mostly unencrypted my ISP does see my email traffic. Are you sure? I didn't think GMail supported unencrypted connections to its servers. https://productforums.google.com/for...il/DE5mVMSh1vk The settings for any Gmail or Google Apps account are these: Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server - Requires SSL imap.gmail.com Port: 993 Requires SSL:Yes Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - Requires TLS or SSL smtp.gmail.com Port: 465 or 587 Requires SSL: Yes Requires authentication: Yes Use same settings as incoming mail server I don't see any options to use unencrypted connections, but I suppose there could be some legacy options that they don't want people to use. I'm not talking about encrypting the email, but rather encrypting the connection. You're mixing DNS traffic in with application traffic. Not me. Changing DNS servers came late to the discussion and had nothing to do with my ISP seeing my email traffic. Your ISP can't see your GMail traffic. Changing DNS servers came into the discussion as a result of your observation that your ISP offers helpful suggestions instead of simply allowing bad URLs to time out and display a HTTP status of 404. Mayayana and I simply pointed out that you can fix that crappy behavior of your ISP by using a different DNS server, one that doesn't do that, to which you replied "Wouldn't work". That was wrong, of course, because it obviously works. DNS servers don't see any of your application traffic. Never said they did. Actually, you jumbled both things together in the same paragraph. "Wouldn't work. My ISP (like yours) always reads everything I send through it. But even if I could cancel the ISP's suggestion service they would still see everything I send." It sounded like (sounds like) you were confused. |
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On 5/11/2018 9:26 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
togyukjb wrote: Since my Gmail is mostly unencrypted my ISP does see my email traffic. Are you sure? I didn't think GMail supported unencrypted connections to its servers. My AccountSign-in & securityConnected Apps and SitesAllow Less Secure Apps It sounded like (sounds like) you were confused. Insult noted. You have the last word. |
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sgeoujdh wrote:
On 5/11/2018 9:26 AM, Char Jackson wrote: togyukjb wrote: Since my Gmail is mostly unencrypted my ISP does see my email traffic. Are you sure? I didn't think GMail supported unencrypted connections to its servers. My AccountSign-in & securityConnected Apps and SitesAllow Less Secure Apps AFAIK, that's not correct or at least not fully correct. I have set 'Allow Less Secure Apps', but I *do* use SSL/TLS (on port 995) for my Gmail accounts. AFAIK, the 'Allow Less Secure Apps' setting is often needed, because silly Google expects us to use a *web* login protocol (OAuth2) for *email* connections [1]. It sounded like (sounds like) you were confused. Insult noted. You have the last word. Well, it seems you *are* confused about your nym! :-( [1] This Thunderbird/mozillaZine article describes some of the details: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_Gmail_with_Thunderbird_and_Mozilla_Suite |
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On 12 May 2018 17:48:45 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote: sgeoujdh wrote: On 5/11/2018 9:26 AM, Char Jackson wrote: togyukjb wrote: Since my Gmail is mostly unencrypted my ISP does see my email traffic. Are you sure? I didn't think GMail supported unencrypted connections to its servers. My AccountSign-in & securityConnected Apps and SitesAllow Less Secure Apps AFAIK, that's not correct or at least not fully correct. I have set 'Allow Less Secure Apps', but I *do* use SSL/TLS (on port 995) for my Gmail accounts. AFAIK, the 'Allow Less Secure Apps' setting is often needed, because silly Google expects us to use a *web* login protocol (OAuth2) for *email* connections [1]. Yeah, that setting doesn't do what he thinks it does. He's very confused, not just about this, but about DNS servers, as well. It sounded like (sounds like) you were confused. Insult noted. You have the last word. Well, it seems you *are* confused about your nym! :-( [1] This Thunderbird/mozillaZine article describes some of the details: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_Gmail_with_Thunderbird_and_Mozilla_Suite |
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Frank Slootweg wrote:
Well, it seems you *are* confused about your nym! Don't like my nym? OK I'll change it. How's this? |
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