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Installing Software BS
Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be
connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the computer. I want to stop this BS. -- Bill Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska |
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Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the computer. I want to stop this BS. You can download an 1809 DVD and install, with the network cable pulled out of the machine. I've installed OSes with no network connection. Since 1903 is coming soon, you can test your skills with that image when it comes available. Wait two or three days after 1903 is available as a DVD, download it, and install it. I do *all* my Win10 upgrades that way. I've never had Windows Update deliver one yet. If doing an in-place OS Upgrade, you don't even need to burn a DVD. Right-click the downloaded ISO file (Windows10_x64.iso) and it can be mounted like a virtual DVD drive. Run "setup.exe" off the virtual DVD drive, to start an OS Upgrade running. The first phase is file copying. After it does its first reboot, the virtual DVD will no longer be mounted and the install will complete using the files it copied to the hard drive. The installer will tell you that your Programs and Data will be preserved during the Upgrade. The Windows folder becomes Windows.old and it will self-delete after a few weeks. (Or, you can for now at least, use cleanmgr.exe to remove it. Cleanmgr may be deprecated at some point, and you never know, might not be in 1903 for all I know.) Some brain-dead Storage Spaces implementation might (poorly) take its place. But since we can't count on the Insider Edition to actually test what is in a Release, who really knows what the feature set or lineup will be. Insider != Release. Why is there an Insider Edition ? We're not sure. After the OS comes up, from a Clean install, it can then connect to the Internet and fetch drivers. Not all the drivers needed are in-box. Class drivers will be there (the USB3 driver should be on the DVD). But a driver for a newer graphics might not be. Paul |
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On 17 Feb 2019, "Bill Bradshaw" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the computer. I want to stop this BS. What software are you complaing about? You do not need to be connected to the Internet to install most software if you have the full installation program. If you only have a stub that then needs to download the installation program... well, I think you can figure that part out. |
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:26:25 -0500, Nil
wrote: On 17 Feb 2019, "Bill Bradshaw" wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the computer. I want to stop this BS. What software are you complaing about? You do not need to be connected to the Internet to install most software if you have the full installation program. If you only have a stub that then needs to download the installation program... well, I think you can figure that part out. But some software downloads these days comprise only a download manager in a shell that downloads the elements required for the user's installation. |
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1809 installed properly and seems to be working fine. The problem is
installing utility programs that are freeware. I even had a problem trying to install the portable version of WinCDEmu (I gave up). I run into this problem where the screen just starts flashing and the computer locks up. Peter may have the answer. Now how would I determine if the freeware is just a download manager? I should have been clearer with my original post. Bill Paul wrote: Bill Bradshaw wrote: Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the computer. I want to stop this BS. You can download an 1809 DVD and install, with the network cable pulled out of the machine. I've installed OSes with no network connection. Since 1903 is coming soon, you can test your skills with that image when it comes available. Wait two or three days after 1903 is available as a DVD, download it, and install it. I do *all* my Win10 upgrades that way. I've never had Windows Update deliver one yet. If doing an in-place OS Upgrade, you don't even need to burn a DVD. Right-click the downloaded ISO file (Windows10_x64.iso) and it can be mounted like a virtual DVD drive. Run "setup.exe" off the virtual DVD drive, to start an OS Upgrade running. The first phase is file copying. After it does its first reboot, the virtual DVD will no longer be mounted and the install will complete using the files it copied to the hard drive. The installer will tell you that your Programs and Data will be preserved during the Upgrade. The Windows folder becomes Windows.old and it will self-delete after a few weeks. (Or, you can for now at least, use cleanmgr.exe to remove it. Cleanmgr may be deprecated at some point, and you never know, might not be in 1903 for all I know.) Some brain-dead Storage Spaces implementation might (poorly) take its place. But since we can't count on the Insider Edition to actually test what is in a Release, who really knows what the feature set or lineup will be. Insider != Release. Why is there an Insider Edition ? We're not sure. After the OS comes up, from a Clean install, it can then connect to the Internet and fetch drivers. Not all the drivers needed are in-box. Class drivers will be there (the USB3 driver should be on the DVD). But a driver for a newer graphics might not be. Paul |
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"Bill Bradshaw" wrote
| Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be | connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the | install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the | computer. I want to stop this BS. I don't know about Win10 updates. Paul probably has the definitive answer there. But for anything else, search for "offline installer download". Most things have a so-called offline installer, which just means a real install package and not just a kick-off stub. But often those are semi-hidden, only meant for IT people making multiple installs. Why? 1) It allows non-techies to install software without having to understand where the download went or what to do with it. 2) It furthers the marketing of the services myth, making it appear that you're using a remote product as a service. 3) It establishes the precedent that it's normal to allow software to call home. So it's both good and bad. It's intrusive and a territory grab, but part of the reason is because most people have no idea how to do anything more than click a button that says, "Install". Most software will work without calling home but I just came across some very sleazy behavior yesterday: I haven't been using Visual C++ 2008 Express so I thought I'd get rid of it to save space. The uninstaller claimed there was an error after I blocked it from going online. Vague, pseudo- technical language that basically said, "No can do." I was forced to uninstall by just deleting the program folder and the Uninstall key in the Registry. And that was Microsoft. They're producing unforgiveably broken uninstallers. (I didn't need to be online when I installed it.) Personally I just refuse to use anything that has to call home. But most things only try to call home clandestinely and give up silently if they can't. That's the radical change with Win10: If you ever go online then you can't stop the spyware. MS even claim that by using the product you've agreed to that. It's the famous unilateral software license. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: | Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be | connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the | install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the | computer. I want to stop this BS. I don't know about Win10 updates. Paul probably has the definitive answer there. But for anything else, search for "offline installer download". Most things have a so-called offline installer, which just means a real install package and not just a kick-off stub. But often those are semi-hidden, only meant for IT people making multiple installs. Why? 1) It allows non-techies to install software without having to understand where the download went or what to do with it. true, and that's a very good thing. making things easier to use benefits everyone. there's no reason why computers (or anything) should be hard to use, other than lazy developers. 2) It furthers the marketing of the services myth, making it appear that you're using a remote product as a service. no. 3) It establishes the precedent that it's normal to allow software to call home. software has been calling home for decades. the real reason for stub installers is it makes the initial download quick and the actual install faster than it otherwise would have been because it won't need to download components that aren't needed. that's a benefit to the user and also for the developer. So it's both good and bad. It's intrusive and a territory grab, but part of the reason is because most people have no idea how to do anything more than click a button that says, "Install". that's all they need to know to install something. there's no reason why computers (or anything) should be hard to use, other than lazy developers. |
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On 18/02/2019 17:31, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
1809 installed properly and seems to be working fine. The problem is installing utility programs that are freeware. I even had a problem trying to install the portable version of WinCDEmu (I gave up). I run into this problem where the screen just starts flashing and the computer locks up. Peter may have the answer. Now how would I determine if the freeware is just a download manager? I should have been clearer with my original post. Bill Paul wrote: Bill Bradshaw wrote: Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit just updated to 1809. Why do I have to be connected to the internet to install software? If I am not connected the install programs go crazy and I end up having to do a hard shutdown of the computer. I want to stop this BS. You can download an 1809 DVD and install, with the network cable pulled out of the machine. I've installed OSes with no network connection. Since 1903 is coming soon, you can test your skills with that image when it comes available. Wait two or three days after 1903 is available as a DVD, download it, and install it. I do *all* my Win10 upgrades that way. I've never had Windows Update deliver one yet. If doing an in-place OS Upgrade, you don't even need to burn a DVD. Right-click the downloaded ISO file (Windows10_x64.iso) and it can be mounted like a virtual DVD drive. Run "setup.exe" off the virtual DVD drive, to start an OS Upgrade running. The first phase is file copying. After it does its first reboot, the virtual DVD will no longer be mounted and the install will complete using the files it copied to the hard drive. The installer will tell you that your Programs and Data will be preserved during the Upgrade. The Windows folder becomes Windows.old and it will self-delete after a few weeks. (Or, you can for now at least, use cleanmgr.exe to remove it. Cleanmgr may be deprecated at some point, and you never know, might not be in 1903 for all I know.) Some brain-dead Storage Spaces implementation might (poorly) take its place. But since we can't count on the Insider Edition to actually test what is in a Release, who really knows what the feature set or lineup will be. Insider != Release. Why is there an Insider Edition ? We're not sure. After the OS comes up, from a Clean install, it can then connect to the Internet and fetch drivers. Not all the drivers needed are in-box. Class drivers will be there (the USB3 driver should be on the DVD). But a driver for a newer graphics might not be. Paul You should be blaming the freeware provider, not Windows. As noted in other posts you may have downloaded only a stub installer. Worse, your freeware may have a proper install file but is downloading and installing other "useful" programs you never knew you needed and did not request. |
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Nil wrote:
What software are you complaing about? You do not need to be connected to the Internet to install most software It might warn you that it can't check it with smartscreen, though you can disable that ... |
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Bill Bradshaw wrote:
1809 installed properly and seems to be working fine. The problem is installing utility programs that are freeware. I even had a problem trying to install the portable version of WinCDEmu (I gave up). I run into this problem where the screen just starts flashing and the computer locks up. Peter may have the answer. Now how would I determine if the freeware is just a download manager? I should have been clearer with my original post. Bill The size of the download is an indication it's a stub. A 3MB file is not Firefox. Firefox is maybe 40MB or 50MB. A 5MB file is not Macrium. Macrium is 50MB main program, 800MB WinPE kit. The size in some cases indicates it's a stub. Imgburn is 5MB. Full install. But at one time contained Adware. So some programs are small enough, to be in the same ballpark as a stub. And you know a stub doesn't have to be all that big. I could probably write a "downloader" and have it fit in 100K, if it wasn't "full of crap". ******* You don't need a CD emulator, since Windows 10 mounts .iso files via right-clicking and selecting the top item. So lets try an analysis. http://wincdemu.sysprogs.org/ First question. Is that *really* the author of the program, or a leech. OK, I can find... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wincdemu https://www.pcworld.com/article/233375/wincdemu.html A URL check gives green cherries. https://www.virustotal.com/#/url/a02...0d54/detection Now we get a download and toss it into Virustotal. http://wincdemu.sysprogs.org/download/ 1,576,544 bytes https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/c4...5dc93c/details It's full of green cherries, but the config shows this. "TRiD UPX compressed Win32 Executable (38.2%) Win32 EXE Yoda's Crypter (37.5%) " Smells funny. Why is that necessary exactly ? I can understand UPX, but not the Yoda. It's a stub FFS. There's no intellectual property in there. And the download comes from github, so it's not like the bandwidth used to provide the EXE, costs the sysprogs.org site any money. Smells funny. And the worst part is, the Virustotal scanners are pretending they're actually scanning that thing. About 1/3rd of the scanners can't scan the [0] from that file. "If you won't let me look at it, I ain't installing it." Pretty simple. Lots of legit software gets rejected here, for being "too clever by half". Paul |
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