Microsoft MVPs

The military is not all volunteer, you can volunteer to go but you can't
volunteer to leave if you don't like it.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/




"Meebers" wrote in message
...
perhaps, you should learn to keep your comments and criticisms to the
subject at hand. (something in here about the kettle and the pot..) You
mis-spoke when you said "volunteering is donating time without
compensation." Wiki disagrees, did you look it up??? The US military is
an all volunteer force....they get paid as they well should. Your mind is
as narrow as your postings....

" db.·.. ))) ·` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message ...
take a financial course to
understand the economics
of business and the costs
associated to funding programs
and benefits for ms mvp's.

--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"Meebers" wrote in message
...
db...go look up volunteer on Wiki.


" db.·.. ))) ·` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message
...
nah, i long disagreed with
the notion that mvp's were
volunteers.

volunteering is donating
time without compensation.

seems to me that being permitted
to use a title like ms mvp is
compensation as well as an
award.

seems to me that there are
other benefits provided to
ms-mvp's too.

can you think of anything
that you have received at
a discount or for free as the
result of being an ms-mvp
awardee?

if so, then you are not a
volunteer and in fact obligated
to perform in accordance to
the mvp program directives.

--------

just because microsoft doesn't
compensate ms-mvp's with
money, it does compensate
them with other things that
are of value.

and in return, microsoft ascertains
the benefit of cheap customer
service for its microsoft customers.

of course, the above applies to
the discussion groups and the
q&a's, but ms-mvps are also
awarded to authors and code
writers as well in order to dilute
the true purpose of the mvp
program, ie microsoft's bottom
line.
--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly

Then ... what are they doing on the newsgroups?

You're "on the newsgroups" and don't share any personal information
with us. What's the diff?

I am not claiming to be an "MS-MVP"! What's your excuse?

We're all volunteers, including MVPs.
--
~PA Bear
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/de...le/robear.dyer

I'm a real MVP dickwad You just can't find the proof because you don't know
my name and you are ****ed because I won't tell you.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/




"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Twayne" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation
MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the
Microsoft MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs
that want to share information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the
search engine produced the following response "No results were
found for your search criteria".



Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly

Then ... what are they doing on the newsgroups?

Helping people.

And posing, lying, pretending, ...



Who is posing, lying, pretending?

No one. It's all in his head (but no big surprise there).

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




There have been one or two I have seen. PCButts is one and the fake Nass
is the other. Aside from that, the only reason that people complain is
because they have not been 'invited' to accept the MVP award.


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Twayne" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation
MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the
Microsoft MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs
that want to share information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the
search engine produced the following response "No results were
found for your search criteria".



Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly

Then ... what are they doing on the newsgroups?

Helping people.

And posing, lying, pretending, ...



Who is posing, lying, pretending?

No one. It's all in his head (but no big surprise there).

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




There have been one or two I have seen. PCButts is one and the fake Nass
is
the other.

(OK - I wasn't counting those two fakes. I think he was referring to the
pool at large).

Aside from that, the only reason that people complain is because
they have not been 'invited' to accept the MVP award.


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

"The Real Truth MVP" wrote in message
...
I'm a real MVP dickwad You just can't find the proof because you don't
know my name and you are ****ed because I won't tell you.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/




"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Twayne" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation
MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the
Microsoft MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs
that want to share information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the
search engine produced the following response "No results were
found for your search criteria".



Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly

Then ... what are they doing on the newsgroups?

Helping people.

And posing, lying, pretending, ...



Who is posing, lying, pretending?

No one. It's all in his head (but no big surprise there).

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




There have been one or two I have seen. PCButts is one and the fake Nass
is the other. Aside from that, the only reason that people complain is
because they have not been 'invited' to accept the MVP award.


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx







You will never be an MVP, only in your own mind..


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

pcbutts is an MVP if you think MVP means "Most Vulgar Person".

On the other hand, that probably wasn't a post from the real pcbutts.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare Humanum Est

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"The Real Truth MVP" wrote in message
...
I'm a real MVP dickwad You just can't find the proof because you don't
know my name and you are ****ed because I won't tell you.


--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/




"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Twayne" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation
MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the
Microsoft MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs
that want to share information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the
search engine produced the following response "No results were
found for your search criteria".



Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly

Then ... what are they doing on the newsgroups?

Helping people.

And posing, lying, pretending, ...



Who is posing, lying, pretending?

No one. It's all in his head (but no big surprise there).

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




There have been one or two I have seen. PCButts is one and the fake
Nass is the other. Aside from that, the only reason that people
complain is because they have not been 'invited' to accept the MVP
award.


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx







You will never be an MVP, only in your own mind..

perhaps, you should learn to keep your comments and criticisms to the
subject at hand. (something in here about the kettle and the pot..)
You mis-spoke when you said "volunteering is donating time without
compensation." Wiki disagrees, did you look it up??? The US
military is an all volunteer force....they get paid as they well
should. Your mind is as narrow as your postings....

" db.·.. ))) ·` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message ...
take a financial course to
understand the economics
of business and the costs
associated to funding programs
and benefits for ms mvp's.

--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"Meebers" wrote in message
...
db...go look up volunteer on Wiki.


" db.·.. ))) ·` .. ."
databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message
...
nah, i long disagreed with
the notion that mvp's were
volunteers.

volunteering is donating
time without compensation.

seems to me that being permitted
to use a title like ms mvp is
compensation as well as an
award.

seems to me that there are
other benefits provided to
ms-mvp's too.

can you think of anything
that you have received at
a discount or for free as the
result of being an ms-mvp
awardee?

if so, then you are not a
volunteer and in fact obligated
to perform in accordance to
the mvp program directives.

--------

just because microsoft doesn't
compensate ms-mvp's with
money, it does compensate
them with other things that
are of value.

and in return, microsoft ascertains
the benefit of cheap customer
service for its microsoft customers.

of course, the above applies to
the discussion groups and the
q&a's, but ms-mvps are also
awarded to authors and code
writers as well in order to dilute
the true purpose of the mvp
program, ie microsoft's bottom
line.
--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly

Then ... what are they doing on the newsgroups?

You're "on the newsgroups" and don't share any personal
information with us. What's the diff?

I am not claiming to be an "MS-MVP"! What's your excuse?

We're all volunteers, including MVPs.
--
~PA Bear
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/de...le/robear.dyer

Boy, you can be pretty stupid at times:
vol·un·teer
/?v?l?n't??r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [vol-uhn-teer] Show IPA
Pronunciation

–noun 1. a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a
service or undertaking.
2. a person who performs a service willingly and *without pay*.
3. Military. a person who enters the service voluntarily rather
than through conscription or draft, esp. for special or temporary
service rather than as a member of the regular or permanent army.
4. Law. a. a person whose actions are not founded on any legal
obligation so to act.
b. a person who intrudes into a matter that does not concern
him or her, as a person who pays the debt of another where he or she is
neither legally nor morally bound to do so and has no interest to
protect in making the payment.

5. Agriculture. a volunteer plant.
6. (initial capital letter) a native or inhabitant of Tennessee
(used as a nickname).
–adjective 7. of, pertaining to, or being a volunteer or volunteers: a
volunteer fireman.
8. Agriculture. growing without being seeded, planted, or
cultivated by a person; springing up spontaneously.
–verb (used without object) 9. to offer oneself for some service or
undertaking.
10. to enter service or enlist as a volunteer.
–verb (used with object) 11. to offer (oneself or one's services) for
some undertaking or purpose.
12. to give, bestow, or perform voluntarily: to volunteer a song.
13. to say, tell, or communicate voluntarily: to volunteer an
explanation.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1590–1600; F volontaire L voluntarius voluntary, with -eer for
F -aire

Sorry; didn't mean db; meant the others spouting their ignorance. db
was correct.


perhaps, you should learn to keep your comments and criticisms to the
subject at hand. (something in here about the kettle and the pot..)
You mis-spoke when you said "volunteering is donating time without
compensation." Wiki disagrees, did you look it up??? The US
military is an all volunteer force....they get paid as they well
should. Your mind is as narrow as your postings....

" db.·.. ))) ·` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message ...
take a financial course to
understand the economics
of business and the costs
associated to funding programs
and benefits for ms mvp's.

--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"Meebers" wrote in message
...
db...go look up volunteer on Wiki.


" db.·.. ))) ·` .. ."
databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message
...
nah, i long disagreed with
the notion that mvp's were
volunteers.

volunteering is donating
time without compensation.

seems to me that being permitted
to use a title like ms mvp is
compensation as well as an
award.

seems to me that there are
other benefits provided to
ms-mvp's too.

can you think of anything
that you have received at
a discount or for free as the
result of being an ms-mvp
awardee?

if so, then you are not a
volunteer and in fact obligated
to perform in accordance to
the mvp program directives.

--------

just because microsoft doesn't
compensate ms-mvp's with
money, it does compensate
them with other things that
are of value.

and in return, microsoft ascertains
the benefit of cheap customer
service for its microsoft customers.

of course, the above applies to
the discussion groups and the
q&a's, but ms-mvps are also
awarded to authors and code
writers as well in order to dilute
the true purpose of the mvp
program, ie microsoft's bottom
line.
--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly

Then ... what are they doing on the newsgroups?

You're "on the newsgroups" and don't share any personal
information with us. What's the diff?

I am not claiming to be an "MS-MVP"! What's your excuse?

We're all volunteers, including MVPs.
--
~PA Bear
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/de...le/robear.dyer

Boy, you can be pretty stupid at times:
vol·un·teer
/?v?l?n't??r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [vol-uhn-teer] Show IPA
Pronunciation

–noun 1. a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a
service or undertaking.
2. a person who performs a service willingly and *without pay*.
3. Military. a person who enters the service voluntarily rather
than through conscription or draft, esp. for special or temporary
service rather than as a member of the regular or permanent army.
4. Law. a. a person whose actions are not founded on any legal
obligation so to act.
b. a person who intrudes into a matter that does not
concern him or her, as a person who pays the debt of another where he
or she is neither legally nor morally bound to do so and has no
interest to protect in making the payment.

5. Agriculture. a volunteer plant.
6. (initial capital letter) a native or inhabitant of Tennessee
(used as a nickname).
–adjective 7. of, pertaining to, or being a volunteer or volunteers: a
volunteer fireman.
8. Agriculture. growing without being seeded, planted, or
cultivated by a person; springing up spontaneously.
–verb (used without object) 9. to offer oneself for some service or
undertaking.
10. to enter service or enlist as a volunteer.
–verb (used with object) 11. to offer (oneself or one's services) for
some undertaking or purpose.
12. to give, bestow, or perform voluntarily: to volunteer a song.
13. to say, tell, or communicate voluntarily: to volunteer an
explanation.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1590–1600; F volontaire L voluntarius voluntary, with -eer for
F -aire

Twayne wrote:
Sorry; didn't mean db; meant the others spouting their ignorance.

Of course, you didn't mean doodle brains, he's your only peer here. You
two are the last ones here that should be preaching about ignorance and
accusing other, there is no one here more ignorant than doodle brains
and you are a very close second place contender! The breadth of your
ignorance is truly astounding.

M

Marianne wrote:
Twayne wrote:
Sorry; didn't mean db; meant the others spouting their ignorance.

Of course, you didn't mean doodle brains, he's your only peer here. You
two are the last ones here that should be preaching about ignorance and
accusing other, there is no one here more ignorant than doodle brains
and you are a very close second place contender! The breadth of your
ignorance is truly astounding.

M

Indeed. Methinks some of them need to "look within". (Sadly, they appear
to be incapable of that, which is not all that unusual. (hollow glasses
make the most noise.)

Bill in Co. wrote:
Marianne wrote:
Twayne wrote:
Sorry; didn't mean db; meant the others spouting their ignorance.

Of course, you didn't mean doodle brains, he's your only peer here. You
two are the last ones here that should be preaching about
ignorance and accusing other, there is no one here more ignorant
than doodle brains and you are a very close second place contender! The
breadth of your ignorance is truly astounding.

M

Indeed. Methinks some of them need to "look within". (Sadly, they
appear to be incapable of that, which is not all that unusual. (hollow
glasses make the most noise.)
that is squeeky wheels, Bill

*Laughingstar* wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Marianne wrote:
Twayne wrote:
Sorry; didn't mean db; meant the others spouting their ignorance.

Of course, you didn't mean doodle brains, he's your only peer here. You
two are the last ones here that should be preaching about
ignorance and accusing other, there is no one here more ignorant
than doodle brains and you are a very close second place contender! The
breadth of your ignorance is truly astounding.

M

Indeed. Methinks some of them need to "look within". (Sadly, they
appear to be incapable of that, which is not all that unusual. (hollow
glasses make the most noise.)

that is squeeky wheels, Bill

Actually, IIRC, it's either one (or both of them).

It's a valid and interesting question, and judging by the 40+ responses it
has rattled a few cages ... perhaps now that their cages have been rattled
and they are awake, perhaps some of the MVPs (real and fake) might like to
try and answer why Windows Live Messenger is crashing in Vista ... and if
they don't know then to raise the issue with people who might know or be able
to find out ... perhaps that mught be a more valuable use of their time than
arguing and whining, after all, isn't that supposed to be what they are here
for ?!?!?

They're of no VALUE to me if they don't help resolve this issues I raise !!!

"Bob Lucas" wrote:


Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".

"Vodkasoda" wrote in message
...
It's a valid and interesting question, and judging by the 40+ responses it
has rattled a few cages ... perhaps now that their cages have been rattled
and they are awake, perhaps some of the MVPs (real and fake) might like to
try and answer why Windows Live Messenger is crashing in Vista ... and if
they don't know then to raise the issue with people who might know or be
able
to find out ... perhaps that mught be a more valuable use of their time
than
arguing and whining, after all, isn't that supposed to be what they are
here
for ?!?!?

They're of no VALUE to me if they don't help resolve this issues I raise
!!!

"Bob Lucas" wrote:


Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".




We are volunteers here just like anybody else..

Re Messenger, what version are you using? Try the latest one..

You might also try asking in

microsoft.public.msn.messenger

Bear in mind that many users of Messenger do not have this problem, and that
it may be down to plugins or addons which you may have installed..


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

"Vodkasoda" wrote in message
...

It's a valid and interesting question, and judging by the 40+ responses it
has rattled a few cages ... perhaps now that their cages have been rattled
and they are awake, perhaps some of the MVPs (real and fake) might like to
try and answer why Windows Live Messenger is crashing in Vista ... and if
they don't know then to raise the issue with people who might know or be
able
to find out ...


Three points:

1. All of we MVPs are volunteers

2. All of we MVPs know some things very well, others slightly, and still
others not at all. I, for example, have no interest in Windows Live
Messenger, know nothing about it, and can't help you regarding any problems
you have with it.

3. Some MVPs may have the ability to discuss certain types of problems with
the appropriate Microsoft employees; others don't. In many cases, we
wouldn't even know who to raise an issue with. Regarding Windows Messenger,
not only do I not know anything about it, but I don't even know the name of
a Microsoft employee who does. Moreover, this is not an established method
of getting problems solved, and even if I knew the right person at Microsoft
and asked him, there is no guarantee that it would lead to a solution.


perhaps that mught be a more valuable use of their time than
arguing and whining, after all, isn't that supposed to be what they are
here
for ?!?!?


No, not at all. We are volunteers who each have knowledge in certain areas
only. It's for that reason that each of answers some questions and ignore
others, about which we know nothing (or at least not enough) entirely.


They're of no VALUE to me if they don't help resolve this issues I raise
!!!


Then feel free to ignore or even killfile all of us. There is no
requirement that any of us be of any value to you.

"All of us". That should kill the OP's hope of contacting any intelligent
live via this avenue. Live Search has 29,900,000 results using normal
grammar, and 17,600 using what you have. Do people actually talk like that?
I wouldn't have said anything, but you used the correct form later.

--
Earle Horton --
-- Defender of the English language.

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
"Vodkasoda" wrote in message
...

It's a valid and interesting question, and judging by the 40+ responses
it
has rattled a few cages ... perhaps now that their cages have been
rattled
and they are awake, perhaps some of the MVPs (real and fake) might like
to
try and answer why Windows Live Messenger is crashing in Vista ... and if
they don't know then to raise the issue with people who might know or be
able
to find out ...


Three points:

1. All of we MVPs are volunteers

2. All of we MVPs know some things very well, others slightly, and still
others not at all. I, for example, have no interest in Windows Live
Messenger, know nothing about it, and can't help you regarding any
problems you have with it.

3. Some MVPs may have the ability to discuss certain types of problems
with the appropriate Microsoft employees; others don't. In many cases, we
wouldn't even know who to raise an issue with. Regarding Windows
Messenger, not only do I not know anything about it, but I don't even know
the name of a Microsoft employee who does. Moreover, this is not an
established method of getting problems solved, and even if I knew the
right person at Microsoft and asked him, there is no guarantee that it
would lead to a solution.


perhaps that mught be a more valuable use of their time than
arguing and whining, after all, isn't that supposed to be what they are
here
for ?!?!?


No, not at all. We are volunteers who each have knowledge in certain areas
only. It's for that reason that each of answers some questions and ignore
others, about which we know nothing (or at least not enough) entirely.


They're of no VALUE to me if they don't help resolve this issues I raise
!!!


Then feel free to ignore or even killfile all of us. There is no
requirement that any of us be of any value to you.