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Old July 12th 18, 07:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Using xp home.

Suddenly, yesterday, Eudora 7.1.09 insisted on being reinstalled. I deleted
about 800 messages in the in-box in the previous use but there are still
many more so I don't see why that should be the reason. I tried a backup
copy of Eudora in my backup directory - same thing. Made a few efforts to
restart it but no success so far. Looking for a quick setup guide to print.

In the meantime, assuming things don't go well as so often happens, what's
a good replacement? This is my backup email app connected to my ISP.
Normally I use Gmail.

Thoughts? TIA


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Old July 12th 18, 08:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , KenK
writes:
Using xp home.

Suddenly, yesterday, Eudora 7.1.09 insisted on being reinstalled. I deleted
about 800 messages in the in-box in the previous use but there are still
many more so I don't see why that should be the reason. I tried a backup
copy of Eudora in my backup directory - same thing. Made a few efforts to
restart it but no success so far. Looking for a quick setup guide to print.

In the meantime, assuming things don't go well as so often happens, what's
a good replacement? This is my backup email app connected to my ISP.
Normally I use Gmail.

Thoughts? TIA

Thunderbird is a reasonable compromise: it's close enough in how it
looks/works to most other clients, and there are lots of people who will
be able to help you with it. (There's not a lot that will look _that_
like Eudora - Turnpike is a _bit_ like it, but I wouldn't suggest that
to anyone not used to it. Probably best to get used to the conventional
way.)

I'm not sure if you can still get an XP-compatible Thunderbird from the
usual sources, but if not, all the old ones are available - through
things like oldversion, but also I think direct from Mozilla if you know
(or can find) where to look. (Certainly they are for Firefox.)
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Old July 13th 18, 12:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Nil[_5_]
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On 12 Jul 2018, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Thunderbird is a reasonable compromise: it's close enough in how
it looks/works to most other clients, and there are lots of people
who will be able to help you with it. (There's not a lot that will
look _that_ like Eudora - Turnpike is a _bit_ like it, but I
wouldn't suggest that to anyone not used to it. Probably best to
get used to the conventional way.)


If the OP can deal with something unlike Thunderbird, Pegasus is a very
good choice and runs well on XP. It's a bit quirky but rock solid and
it has a very supportive user community.

http://www.pmail.com/
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Old July 13th 18, 12:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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KenK wrote:
Using xp home.

Suddenly, yesterday, Eudora 7.1.09 insisted on being reinstalled. I deleted
about 800 messages in the in-box in the previous use but there are still
many more so I don't see why that should be the reason. I tried a backup
copy of Eudora in my backup directory - same thing. Made a few efforts to
restart it but no success so far. Looking for a quick setup guide to print.

In the meantime, assuming things don't go well as so often happens, what's
a good replacement? This is my backup email app connected to my ISP.
Normally I use Gmail.

Thoughts? TIA


Someone here used Thunderbird.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...itproappcompat

The version of Eudora you're using, is a unique
creation. The people at Eudora were doing this themselves.

It's possible Qualcomm wanted to be shed of the thing,
so Eudora OSE was invented (which is based on Thunderbird,
which is based on Firefox as a rendering engine). By making
an OpenSourceEdition, they hoped it would become someone
elses problem.

The modern Thunderbird is an "asynchronous mess" when it
comes to USENET. I don't know if its email behavior
is quite as bad. What this means is, the program can be doing
a number of things in parallel, which makes it hard to debug
or observe for "problems".

Eudora was from an era before encryption, and as I understand
it, there were some problems with adding SSL (secure socket layer
to protect the information in flight on the internet). I vaguely
remember people patching some file on it. If the server end made
some changes to the SSL version, perhaps that has something to do
with "client indigestion". Not every problem with the original
Eudora, is on the users end.

It might even be a problem with a Certificate, which
gives a chain of trust.

Just make sure you're collecting the most salient symptoms,
to figure out what actually happened. My guess is, some
server-side issue has changed Eudora behavior. It's possible
whatever Eudora uses for an information store is corrupted.
But if that were individual EML files, it would be
pretty hard to ruin something like that.

Thunderbird uses "Mork" format for box storage. Which is
a wee bit of a pig.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mork_(file_format)

"The file format has been severely criticized by
Jamie Zawinski, a former Netscape engineer. He has
lambasted the ostensibly "textual" format on the
grounds that it is "not human-readable", bemoaned
the impossibility of writing a correct parser for
the format, and referred to it as "...the single
most braindamaged file format that I have ever
seen in my nineteen year career.
"

Now, I personally wouldn't care what was inside
Mork, if it stayed stable. But occasionally those
containers misbehave on the USENET reader side
of Thunderbird, and I don't know if I'd store the
"crown jewels" in there. On numerous occasions,
a recent backup has saved my bacon.

*******

Part of the challenge of selecting a replacement, is
what standards does your email server use ? Is it
IMAP, or POP3, or ? It likely has encrypted port
numbers like 995, which signify a protocol choice.

I have an older email client here, which would be
unsuited to any modern large free email server,
as encryption is missing, and even the handling
of IP addresses is a bit borked. The containers
on that one are "perfect" - never a problem with
message storage in 10+ years of usage. The client itself
is great, but if the plumbing to the Internet
is old or broken, that can immediately eliminate
the candidate.

Paul


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Old July 13th 18, 03:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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KenK wrote in
:

Using xp home.

Suddenly, yesterday, Eudora 7.1.09 insisted on being reinstalled. I
deleted about 800 messages in the in-box in the previous use but there
are still many more so I don't see why that should be the reason. I
tried a backup copy of Eudora in my backup directory - same thing.
Made a few efforts to restart it but no success so far. Looking for a
quick setup guide to print.

In the meantime, assuming things don't go well as so often happens,
what's a good replacement? This is my backup email app connected to my
ISP. Normally I use Gmail.

Thoughts? TIA


Think it might solve problem to restore Eudora files from last backup? I
use Ntbackup. Will it reinstall a single directory? Have only used it to
recover complete drive in the past. Anyone know?

TIA



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