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Epson XP 830 Ink Cartridge Problem
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 00:20:36 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: You would need a double blind test to reliably determine whether or not it is possible to distinguish the Rega from the Arcam. But I find that only a few seconds listening will tell me that I am listening to the Roland. I also accept that you might not be able to hear the distinction. as i said, it's intentionally altering the sound, something you could match with the other dacs. either that, or it's defective in some way. it's a bit like 'canon colours' and 'nikon colours'. the cameras are tuned slightly differently, but either one can be made to produce what the other does. And it's in the subtlties of tuning and the firmware of that that the differences between DACS (and their costs) lie. tuning = intentionally altering the sound. As I understand the objective is to better reproduce the original analog wave form from the digital data. Of course improving the reproduction of the original wave form will alter the sound. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Epson XP 830 Ink Cartridge Problem
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: You would need a double blind test to reliably determine whether or not it is possible to distinguish the Rega from the Arcam. But I find that only a few seconds listening will tell me that I am listening to the Roland. I also accept that you might not be able to hear the distinction. as i said, it's intentionally altering the sound, something you could match with the other dacs. either that, or it's defective in some way. it's a bit like 'canon colours' and 'nikon colours'. the cameras are tuned slightly differently, but either one can be made to produce what the other does. And it's in the subtlties of tuning and the firmware of that that the differences between DACS (and their costs) lie. tuning = intentionally altering the sound. As I understand the objective is to better reproduce the original analog wave form from the digital data. Of course improving the reproduction of the original wave form will alter the sound. which is what i originally said. the difference is not the dac, but the alterations, what you're calling tuning and which can be done outside of a dac. |
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Epson XP 830 Ink Cartridge Problem
In article , Wolf K
wrote: You would need a double blind test to reliably determine whether or not it is possible to distinguish the Rega from the Arcam. But I find that only a few seconds listening will tell me that I am listening to the Roland. I also accept that you might not be able to hear the distinction. as i said, it's intentionally altering the sound, something you could match with the other dacs. either that, or it's defective in some way. it's a bit like 'canon colours' and 'nikon colours'. the cameras are tuned slightly differently, but either one can be made to produce what the other does. And it's in the subtlties of tuning and the firmware of that that the differences between DACS (and their costs) lie. tuning = intentionally altering the sound. H'm. That implies that when auditorium designers fiddle with the placement of reflective and absorptive surfaces they are "intentionally altering the sound." yep. |
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Epson XP 830 Ink Cartridge Problem
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:59:03 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: You would need a double blind test to reliably determine whether or not it is possible to distinguish the Rega from the Arcam. But I find that only a few seconds listening will tell me that I am listening to the Roland. I also accept that you might not be able to hear the distinction. as i said, it's intentionally altering the sound, something you could match with the other dacs. either that, or it's defective in some way. it's a bit like 'canon colours' and 'nikon colours'. the cameras are tuned slightly differently, but either one can be made to produce what the other does. And it's in the subtlties of tuning and the firmware of that that the differences between DACS (and their costs) lie. tuning = intentionally altering the sound. As I understand the objective is to better reproduce the original analog wave form from the digital data. Of course improving the reproduction of the original wave form will alter the sound. which is what i originally said. the difference is not the dac, but the alterations, what you're calling tuning and which can be done outside of a dac. The DAC's output is analog. The tuning I am referring to takes place inside the DAC. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: You would need a double blind test to reliably determine whether or not it is possible to distinguish the Rega from the Arcam. But I find that only a few seconds listening will tell me that I am listening to the Roland. I also accept that you might not be able to hear the distinction. as i said, it's intentionally altering the sound, something you could match with the other dacs. either that, or it's defective in some way. it's a bit like 'canon colours' and 'nikon colours'. the cameras are tuned slightly differently, but either one can be made to produce what the other does. And it's in the subtlties of tuning and the firmware of that that the differences between DACS (and their costs) lie. tuning = intentionally altering the sound. As I understand the objective is to better reproduce the original analog wave form from the digital data. Of course improving the reproduction of the original wave form will alter the sound. which is what i originally said. the difference is not the dac, but the alterations, what you're calling tuning and which can be done outside of a dac. The DAC's output is analog. that's why the second letter is 'a'. digital-to-analog converter. The tuning I am referring to takes place inside the DAC. unlikely, but regardless, it's an alteration which can be done outside of the dac, either in the digital or analog domain, or both. |
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Epson XP 830 Ink Cartridge Problem
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:37:48 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: You would need a double blind test to reliably determine whether or not it is possible to distinguish the Rega from the Arcam. But I find that only a few seconds listening will tell me that I am listening to the Roland. I also accept that you might not be able to hear the distinction. as i said, it's intentionally altering the sound, something you could match with the other dacs. either that, or it's defective in some way. it's a bit like 'canon colours' and 'nikon colours'. the cameras are tuned slightly differently, but either one can be made to produce what the other does. And it's in the subtlties of tuning and the firmware of that that the differences between DACS (and their costs) lie. tuning = intentionally altering the sound. As I understand the objective is to better reproduce the original analog wave form from the digital data. Of course improving the reproduction of the original wave form will alter the sound. which is what i originally said. the difference is not the dac, but the alterations, what you're calling tuning and which can be done outside of a dac. The DAC's output is analog. that's why the second letter is 'a'. digital-to-analog converter. The tuning I am referring to takes place inside the DAC. unlikely, but regardless, it's an alteration which can be done outside of the dac, either in the digital or analog domain, or both. A DAC gets fed with digital data. This defines the wave form in finite steps. The job of the DAC is to output an analog wave form which is as close as possible to the original analog signal. Turning digital data into analog is not easy or straight-forward. That's why there are so many ways of trying to do it. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Epson XP 830 Ink Cartridge Problem
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: The DAC's output is analog. that's why the second letter is 'a'. digital-to-analog converter. The tuning I am referring to takes place inside the DAC. unlikely, but regardless, it's an alteration which can be done outside of the dac, either in the digital or analog domain, or both. A DAC gets fed with digital data. that's why the first letter is 'd', for *digital* to analog converter. This defines the wave form in finite steps. The job of the DAC is to output an analog wave form which is as close as possible to the original analog signal. Turning digital data into analog is not easy or straight-forward. That's why there are so many ways of trying to do it. it's very easy and very straightforward, and no, there aren't 'so many ways', at least not correct ones. |
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