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Old February 13th 19, 04:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Default Most annoying post-Gates/Ballmer screwup: Can't arrange windows

No longer being able to arrange windows on the desktop royally sucks.

After a restart... The desktop is empty. Open Chrome. Open another
Chrome window. Right-click on the Taskbar and select "Show windows side-
by-side". The damn thing puts the two Chrome windows one on top of the
other on the left half of the screen.

Freaking idiots.

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they haven't
bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal of turning the
desktop into a smartphone. In other words, their average idiot peer user
does not need to arrange windows on their microscopic smartphone screen,
so the current managers of Windows couldn't care less that arranging
windows is dysfunctional.
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Old February 14th 19, 10:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
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Default Most annoying post-Gates/Ballmer screwup: Can't arrange windows

John Doe wrote:

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they haven't
bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal of turning the
desktop into a smartphone.


Even Win7 users seem to run all programs maximised, all of the time,
even if they have a huge landscape monitor (or two), even if they're
editing a portrait document, I give up trying to explain ...
  #3  
Old February 14th 19, 12:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Most annoying post-Gates/Ballmer screwup: Can't arrange windows

John Doe wrote:
No longer being able to arrange windows on the desktop royally sucks.

After a restart... The desktop is empty. Open Chrome. Open another
Chrome window. Right-click on the Taskbar and select "Show windows side-
by-side". The damn thing puts the two Chrome windows one on top of the
other on the left half of the screen.

Freaking idiots.

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they haven't
bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal of turning the
desktop into a smartphone. In other words, their average idiot peer user
does not need to arrange windows on their microscopic smartphone screen,
so the current managers of Windows couldn't care less that arranging
windows is dysfunctional.


It sorta works. Sorta.

https://i.postimg.cc/qMfbLkjz/side-by-side.gif

It's the Ghost of Christmas Past.

Paul
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Old February 14th 19, 12:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stephen Wolstenholme[_6_]
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Default Most annoying post-Gates/Ballmer screwup: Can't arrange windows

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 09:52:32 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

John Doe wrote:

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they haven't
bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal of turning the
desktop into a smartphone.


Even Win7 users seem to run all programs maximised, all of the time,
even if they have a huge landscape monitor (or two), even if they're
editing a portrait document, I give up trying to explain ...


I use Windows 7 with the application I'm using in a 12" by 8"
centralised window. Most shortcut icons are on the screen top and side
borders. The Agent, Chrome and hidden icons are on the task bar. I've
used that configuration since WNT but I couldn't get it to stay put on
W10 so I went back to W7.

Steve

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Old February 14th 19, 01:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Default Most annoying post-Gates/Ballmer screwup: Can't arrange windows

Paul wrote:

John Doe wrote:


No longer being able to arrange windows on the desktop royally
sucks.

After a restart... The desktop is empty. Open Chrome. Open
another Chrome window. Right-click on the Taskbar and select
"Show windows side- by-side". The damn thing puts the two Chrome
windows one on top of the other on the left half of the screen.

Freaking idiots.

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they
haven't bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal
of turning the desktop into a smartphone. In other words, their
average idiot peer user does not need to arrange windows on their
microscopic smartphone screen, so the current managers of Windows
couldn't care less that arranging windows is dysfunctional.


It sorta works. Sorta.

https://i.postimg.cc/qMfbLkjz/side-by-side.gif

It's the Ghost of Christmas Past.


In the good old days... I had a horrendous looking crash with Windows
and colors bleeding all over the screen. I pulled up Dr. Watson in the
center of that mess saying "There is nothing obviously wrong with your
system". I should have kept that screenshot, but we didn't have Flickr
at the time.












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Old February 14th 19, 01:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/02/2019 11:48, Paul wrote:
John Doe wrote:
No longer being able to arrange windows on the desktop royally sucks.

After a restart... The desktop is empty. Open Chrome. Open another
Chrome window. Right-click on the Taskbar and select "Show windows side-
by-side". The damn thing puts the two Chrome windows one on top of the
other on the left half of the screen.

Freaking idiots.

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they haven't
bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal of turning
the desktop into a smartphone. In other words, their average idiot
peer user does not need to arrange windows on their microscopic
smartphone screen, so the current managers of Windows couldn't care
less that arranging windows is dysfunctional.


It sorta works. Sorta.

https://i.postimg.cc/qMfbLkjz/side-by-side.gif

It's the Ghost of Christmas Past.

Â*Â* Paul


I don't use Chrome but with Edge it works perfectly - side by side or
stacked. Is the OP cursing the wrong set of developers?

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Old February 14th 19, 03:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Default Most annoying post-Gates/Ballmer screwup: Can't arrange windows

Wolf K wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:
John Doe wrote:

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they
haven't bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their
goal of turning the desktop into a smartphone.


Even Win7 users seem to run all programs maximised, all of the
time, even if they have a huge landscape monitor (or two), even
if they're editing a portrait document, I give up trying to
explain ...



????

Not here. The window reopens in its last state.


I believe the poster was making fun of the idea that nobody bothers
or needs to arrange windows on the desktop.

As for windows reopening in their last state, that is still true.
That applies to categories of windows. For example... How the next
WordPad window opens depends on how the last WordPad window was
closed. Same goes for unique third-party windows, individually.

But that is another subject. This subject is about arranging windows
on the desktop by right clicking on the taskbar and making a
selection.
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Old February 14th 19, 05:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Most annoying post-Gates/Ballmer screwup: Can't arrange windows

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 09:52:32 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

John Doe wrote:

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they haven't
bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal of turning the
desktop into a smartphone.


Even Win7 users seem to run all programs maximised, all of the time,
even if they have a huge landscape monitor (or two), even if they're
editing a portrait document, I give up trying to explain ...


I'm not sure what you're trying to explain, but I run 90+% of my
applications full screen. It's a heck of a lot easier to switch back and
forth that way than to try to find the right window and bring it
forward. The only exceptions to the full screen rule that I can think of
off hand are Agent and Putty.

Having said that, a friend showed me his home office where he mounted a
55" TV on the wall above his desk, which he uses as his monitor. Sitting
that close, he can't see the whole screen by moving his eyes, he has to
swing his head back and forth. For me, that would be too much.

  #9  
Old February 14th 19, 06:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Char Jackson wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:
John Doe wrote:

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they
haven't bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their
goal of turning the desktop into a smartphone.


Even Win7 users seem to run all programs maximised, all of the
time, even if they have a huge landscape monitor (or two), even if
they're editing a portrait document, I give up trying to explain
...


I'm not sure what you're trying to explain, but I run 90+% of my
applications full screen. It's a heck of a lot easier to switch
back and forth that way than to try to find the right window and
bring it forward. The only exceptions to the full screen rule that
I can think of off hand are Agent and Putty.


Usually switching to the right window is just alt plus tab, but that
requires two hands or some manual dexterity. My solution to that
annoyance is a voice command without looking for anything.

I ran almost all applications full screen when I had small monitors.
I still run some applications, like Chrome, full screen. But there are
times when I need to tile Chrome windows. The reason Windows has always
had the ability to arrange windows on the desktop is because many PC
users need to do so from time to time. The current implementation is
dysfunctional.






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Old February 14th 19, 06:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
John Doe[_8_]
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Being a technician, something the below poster is not, I just did a
pristine clean install of Windows 10 to test its claim. It is BS, as
expected.

This is a good example of a smartphone, or perhaps Linux, user who
has no idea about using a PC, that shouldn't give advice in this
group...

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On 14/02/2019 11:48, Paul wrote:
John Doe wrote:
No longer being able to arrange windows on the desktop royally sucks.

After a restart... The desktop is empty. Open Chrome. Open another
Chrome window. Right-click on the Taskbar and select "Show windows side-
by-side". The damn thing puts the two Chrome windows one on top of the
other on the left half of the screen.

Freaking idiots.

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they haven't
bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal of turning
the desktop into a smartphone. In other words, their average idiot
peer user does not need to arrange windows on their microscopic
smartphone screen, so the current managers of Windows couldn't care
less that arranging windows is dysfunctional.


It sorta works. Sorta.

https://i.postimg.cc/qMfbLkjz/side-by-side.gif

It's the Ghost of Christmas Past.

¶ÿ¶ÿ Paul


I don't use Chrome but with Edge it works perfectly - side by side or
stacked. Is the OP cursing the wrong set of developers?



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Old February 14th 19, 07:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:17:09 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

I'm not sure what you're trying to explain, but I run 90+% of my
applications full screen. It's a heck of a lot easier to switch back and
forth that way than to try to find the right window and bring it
forward. The only exceptions to the full screen rule that I can think of
off hand are Agent and Putty.




Interesting. I'm the exact opposite. I run 0% of my
applications full screen.

I have two 24" monitors, and on each screen I always have three
applications running, each covering about 80% of the full screen. The
upper left-hand corners of them all stick out behind the others and
it's very easy to click a corner and have it come forward.

When I run an application other those six standard one, I normally run
it only for a short time, so I open it, run it, and then close it.
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Old February 14th 19, 07:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:10:07 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:17:09 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

I'm not sure what you're trying to explain, but I run 90+% of my
applications full screen. It's a heck of a lot easier to switch back and
forth that way than to try to find the right window and bring it
forward. The only exceptions to the full screen rule that I can think of
off hand are Agent and Putty.




Interesting. I'm the exact opposite. I run 0% of my
applications full screen.

I have two 24" monitors, and on each screen I always have three
applications running, each covering about 80% of the full screen. The
upper left-hand corners of them all stick out behind the others and
it's very easy to click a corner and have it come forward.


Then you're doing something that I haven't figured out. g
When I arrange 3 windows that way, clicking on the second or third
window indeed brings that window to the front, but now the window that
was on top is hidden behind the window that is now on top. How do you
bring a window to the front and have it automatically move so that it
doesn't block the parts of the other windows that you want to use to
bring them forward?

On a related note, I always set the Task Bar to Never Combine taskbar
icons. That gives me a view of each application and access to any of
them with a single click.

When I run an application other those six standard one, I normally run
it only for a short time, so I open it, run it, and then close it.


That makes sense.

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Old February 14th 19, 07:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:34:59 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:10:07 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:17:09 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

I'm not sure what you're trying to explain, but I run 90+% of my
applications full screen. It's a heck of a lot easier to switch back and
forth that way than to try to find the right window and bring it
forward. The only exceptions to the full screen rule that I can think of
off hand are Agent and Putty.




Interesting. I'm the exact opposite. I run 0% of my
applications full screen.

I have two 24" monitors, and on each screen I always have three
applications running, each covering about 80% of the full screen. The
upper left-hand corners of them all stick out behind the others and
it's very easy to click a corner and have it come forward.


Then you're doing something that I haven't figured out. g
When I arrange 3 windows that way, clicking on the second or third
window indeed brings that window to the front, but now the window that
was on top is hidden behind the window that is now on top. How do you
bring a window to the front and have it automatically move so that it
doesn't block the parts of the other windows that you want to use to
bring them forward?




It doesn't move, automatically or any other way. It's how the three
are arranged. Their upper left hand corners look like this

____
|
_|___
|
_|_____
|
|


On a related note, I always set the Task Bar to Never Combine taskbar
icons. That gives me a view of each application and access to any of
them with a single click.



Same for me. And I have the task bar on the lefthand side of the
screen, rather than the bottom. That provides room for many more icons


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Old February 14th 19, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:56:45 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:34:59 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:10:07 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:17:09 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

I'm not sure what you're trying to explain, but I run 90+% of my
applications full screen. It's a heck of a lot easier to switch back and
forth that way than to try to find the right window and bring it
forward. The only exceptions to the full screen rule that I can think of
off hand are Agent and Putty.



Interesting. I'm the exact opposite. I run 0% of my
applications full screen.

I have two 24" monitors, and on each screen I always have three
applications running, each covering about 80% of the full screen. The
upper left-hand corners of them all stick out behind the others and
it's very easy to click a corner and have it come forward.


Then you're doing something that I haven't figured out. g
When I arrange 3 windows that way, clicking on the second or third
window indeed brings that window to the front, but now the window that
was on top is hidden behind the window that is now on top. How do you
bring a window to the front and have it automatically move so that it
doesn't block the parts of the other windows that you want to use to
bring them forward?




It doesn't move, automatically or any other way. It's how the three
are arranged. Their upper left hand corners look like this

____
|
_|___
|
_|_____
|
|


Got it, thanks very much. I won't be changing the way I use Windows, but
it's nice to see how others do it. I'm also thinking that if your
windows cover 80% of the screen and mine cover 100%, we aren't that far
apart.



On a related note, I always set the Task Bar to Never Combine taskbar
icons. That gives me a view of each application and access to any of
them with a single click.



Same for me. And I have the task bar on the lefthand side of the
screen, rather than the bottom. That provides room for many more icons


I've tried left side, right side, and even top, but I always come back
to bottom.

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Old February 14th 19, 10:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/?

That after a clean install of Windows 10 (nearly 1809).

It is slightly better than my installation, but still garbage.

Putting three windows "side by side" according to the current
geniuses at Microsoft means putting one window covering the upper
half of the left half of the screen, and the other two windows
covering about two thirds of the right half and stacked one on top
of the other.

Can they be that idiotic? Or are they just trying to cover for their
ineptness?

It's like we live in the age of idiotic, or perhaps drug crazed,
programmers. Google loves screwing with YouTube, about every
other day you can notice them messing with it. I would like to
scramble their programming tools and see how they like it.





I wrote:

No longer being able to arrange windows on the desktop royally
sucks.

After a restart... The desktop is empty. Open Chrome. Open another
Chrome window. Right-click on the Taskbar and select "Show windows
side- by-side". The damn thing puts the two Chrome windows one on
top of the other on the left half of the screen.

Freaking idiots.

After they screwed up window arrangement on the desktop, they
haven't bothered fixing it, because it doesn't further their goal
of turning the desktop into a smartphone. In other words, their
average idiot peer user does not need to arrange windows on their
microscopic smartphone screen, so the current managers of Windows
couldn't care less that arranging windows is dysfunctional.


 




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