Windows update improvements

See

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/microsoft-
promises-less-downtime-for-installing-major-windows-
updates/

MS is changing how updates get installed to make the
process faster and less annoying. I guess anything better
than infinitely annoying is an improvement, but I'm not
holding my breath. They're redistributing the work between
the online and offline phases, but it still sounds like
you don't want to let an upgrade begin if you're sitting
in the airport departure lounge.

Jason wrote:

MS is changing how updates get installed to make the process faster
and less annoying.

Sounds like it's just to speed up the 'major' upgrades (e.g. 1709-1803)
rather than the monthly updates ...

On 22/03/2018 10:03, Andy Burns wrote:
Jason wrote:

MS is changing how updates get installed to make the process faster
and less annoying.

Sounds like it's just to speed up the 'major' upgrades (e.g. 1709-1803)
rather than the monthly updates ...


The monthlies are normally 'online updates' according to the article,
which do not deprive you of access.

On 3/21/2018 10:17 PM, Jason wrote:
See

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/microsoft-
promises-less-downtime-for-installing-major-windows-
updates/

MS is changing how updates get installed to make the
process faster and less annoying. I guess anything better
than infinitely annoying is an improvement, but I'm not
holding my breath. They're redistributing the work between
the online and offline phases, but it still sounds like
you don't want to let an upgrade begin if you're sitting
in the airport departure lounge.

That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently
we took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I
was safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that
was enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow
processor and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the rest
of the trip as it was busy trying to download the update. Completely
cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 07:25:11 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/21/2018 10:17 PM, Jason wrote:
See

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/microsoft-
promises-less-downtime-for-installing-major-windows-
updates/

MS is changing how updates get installed to make the
process faster and less annoying. I guess anything better
than infinitely annoying is an improvement, but I'm not
holding my breath. They're redistributing the work between
the online and offline phases, but it still sounds like
you don't want to let an upgrade begin if you're sitting
in the airport departure lounge.

That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently
we took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I
was safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that
was enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow
processor and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the rest
of the trip as it was busy trying to download the update. Completely
cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.

You can change a setting so that Windows will wait until you give
the go ahead to download an update.

On 22/03/2018 11:25, Keith Nuttle wrote:
That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently
we took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I
was safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that
was enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow
processor and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the
rest of the trip as it was busy trying to download the update.
Completely cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.


What does your advanced settings show? Can you not change to something
like in this pictu

https://i.imgur.com/gHcaz5P.png https://i.imgur.com/gHcaz5P.png

You also need to "disable" Windows update so that you don't get pestered
every now and then!!!



--
With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 3/23/2018 5:23 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 22/03/2018 11:25, Keith Nuttle wrote:
That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates.Â* Recently
we took a trip.Â* Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I
was safe.Â* At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that
was enough for it to find and upgrade.Â* It is a tablet with a slow
processor and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the
rest of the trip as it was busy trying to download the update.
Completely cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.


What does your advanced settings show?Â* Can you not change to something
like in this pictu

https://i.imgur.com/gHcaz5P.png https://i.imgur.com/gHcaz5P.png

You also need to "disable" Windows update so that you don't get pestered
every now and then!!!



--
With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.
I do not see any screen like that in Windows 10 Home 1709 16299.309
either in 32 or 64 bit versions.


Some where I read there was a pause option in Pro but not in Home
--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 3/23/2018 3:47 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/23/2018 5:23 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 22/03/2018 11:25, Keith Nuttle wrote:
That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates.
Recently we took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and
thought I was safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my
email and that was enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet
with a slow processor and limited memory, so I could not use the
table for the rest of the trip as it was busy trying to download the
update. Completely cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.


What does your advanced settings show? Can you not change to
something like in this pictu

https://i.imgur.com/gHcaz5P.png https://i.imgur.com/gHcaz5P.png

You also need to "disable" Windows update so that you don't get
pestered every now and then!!!



--
With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.
I do not see any screen like that in Windows 10 Home 1709 16299.309
either in 32 or 64 bit versions.


Some where I read there was a pause option in Pro but not in Home
I don't have a home machine to verify, but I read that
windows update blocker wub.exe
works in home.
In pro, it seems to do what it says.
While you're at it check out windows update minitool.

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news

That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently we
took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I was
safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that was
enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow processor
and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the rest of the trip
as it was busy trying to download the update. Completely cancelling out
the purpose of the tablet.

A similar thing happened to my wife. She was furious. Not only don't we want
the damn updates forced on us, but the Tablet has a small amount of HD space
to save things on. Who would want their Tablet loaded with these endless
updates taking up that space? Well, maybe some people........
--
If the gods listened to the prayers of men,
all humankind would quickly perish since they
constantly pray for many evils to befall one another.

~ Epicurus ~

HB wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news
That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently we
took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I was
safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that was
enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow processor
and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the rest of the trip
as it was busy trying to download the update. Completely cancelling out
the purpose of the tablet.

A similar thing happened to my wife. She was furious. Not only don't we want
the damn updates forced on us, but the Tablet has a small amount of HD space
to save things on. Who would want their Tablet loaded with these endless
updates taking up that space? Well, maybe some people........

I try to tell people not to buy 32GB platforms, because they
aren't all that practical.

About 8 months ago or so, there were some P.R. announcements of
64GB eMMC being available, but the stuff at retail still has
plenty of the 32GB models.

The problem is, people have demonstrated that price is the
only factor that matters. And... that's how they all end up
with those 32GB ones. If I tell someone "you can get a 32GB
tablet for $100 but it won't have any room to store anything",
they responds with "only $100, OK, I'm buyin it".

Paul

On 3/24/2018 10:46 PM, Paul wrote:
HB wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news
That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates.
Recently we took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and
thought I was safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my
email and that was enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet
with a slow processor and limited memory, so I could not use the
table for the rest of the trip as it was busy trying to download the
update. Completely cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.

A similar thing happened to my wife. She was furious. Not only don't
we want the damn updates forced on us, but the Tablet has a small
amount of HD space to save things on. Who would want their Tablet
loaded with these endless updates taking up that space? Well, maybe
some people........

I try to tell people not to buy 32GB platforms, because they
aren't all that practical.

About 8 months ago or so, there were some P.R. announcements of
64GB eMMC being available, but the stuff at retail still has
plenty of the 32GB models.

The problem is, people have demonstrated that price is the
only factor that matters. And... that's how they all end up
with those 32GB ones. If I tell someone "you can get a 32GB
tablet for $100 but it won't have any room to store anything",
they responds with "only $100, OK, I'm buyin it".

Paul

This tells you how to add an external drive to do major updates.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-i...torage-devices

Seems like they should be able to do that for routine updates too????
I didn't find anything to that effect.

This tells you how to span hard drives.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ves-windows-10

Problem is that it erases everything in the process.
No idea how to unspan when done.

Can you permanently insert a SD card or thumb drive and span it?
Then restore a backup?
How does that affect performance? If it's a brick otherwise, maybe
performance is not the primary objective.

I've never done either. Just pointing to results of a google search.

On 3/25/2018 12:24 AM, mike wrote:

OOPS!
Creating a spanned drive can't survive a disk restore from unspanned c:.
Which probably means you can't span c:
My bad...grabbed at a potential solution and missed... :-)


On 3/24/2018 10:46 PM, Paul wrote:
HB wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates.
Recently we took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and
thought I was safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my
email and that was enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet
with a slow processor and limited memory, so I could not use the
table for the rest of the trip as it was busy trying to download the
update. Completely cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.

A similar thing happened to my wife. She was furious. Not only don't
we want the damn updates forced on us, but the Tablet has a small
amount of HD space to save things on. Who would want their Tablet
loaded with these endless updates taking up that space? Well, maybe
some people........

I try to tell people not to buy 32GB platforms, because they
aren't all that practical.

About 8 months ago or so, there were some P.R. announcements of
64GB eMMC being available, but the stuff at retail still has
plenty of the 32GB models.

The problem is, people have demonstrated that price is the
only factor that matters. And... that's how they all end up
with those 32GB ones. If I tell someone "you can get a 32GB
tablet for $100 but it won't have any room to store anything",
they responds with "only $100, OK, I'm buyin it".

Paul

This tells you how to add an external drive to do major updates.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-i...torage-devices


Seems like they should be able to do that for routine updates too????
I didn't find anything to that effect.

This tells you how to span hard drives.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ves-windows-10


Problem is that it erases everything in the process.
No idea how to unspan when done.

Can you permanently insert a SD card or thumb drive and span it?
Then restore a backup?
How does that affect performance? If it's a brick otherwise, maybe
performance is not the primary objective.

I've never done either. Just pointing to results of a google search.

On 3/25/2018 1:08 AM, HB wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news

That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently we
took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I was
safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that was
enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow processor
and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the rest of the trip
as it was busy trying to download the update. Completely cancelling out
the purpose of the tablet.

A similar thing happened to my wife. She was furious. Not only don't we want
the damn updates forced on us, but the Tablet has a small amount of HD space
to save things on. Who would want their Tablet loaded with these endless
updates taking up that space? Well, maybe some people........

I have partially solved the 32GB problem. Most tablet can accept a 32GB
SD card. I removed all third party programs from the C: drive and
installed them on the D: drive. Once Windows 10 is installed on the C:
and Adobe Reader, I have over 17,000,000,000 bytes 16.2 GB free on the
C: drive. So far all updates have installed with out problems.

Basically C: drive become the OS drive and D: every thing else.

The portable version of Firefox and Thunderbird can work well because
they are portable and meant to be on an external drive.

WordPerfect also installs mostly on the D: drive.

I have read that Adobe Reader can be installed on D: but there is some
fuss and I have not attempted it yet.

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 07:11:48 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 25/03/2018 1:08 AM, HB wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news

That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently we
took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I was
safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that was
enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow processor
and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the rest of the trip
as it was busy trying to download the update. Completely cancelling out
the purpose of the tablet.

A similar thing happened to my wife. She was furious. Not only don't we want
the damn updates forced on us, but the Tablet has a small amount of HD space
to save things on. Who would want their Tablet loaded with these endless
updates taking up that space? Well, maybe some people........

I have partially solved the 32GB problem. Most tablet can accept a 32GB
SD card. I removed all third party programs from the C: drive and
installed them on the D: drive. Once Windows 10 is installed on the C:
and Adobe Reader, I have over 17,000,000,000 bytes 16.2 GB free on the
C: drive. So far all updates have installed with out problems.

What are out problems?


Basically C: drive become the OS drive and D: every thing else.

The portable version of Firefox and Thunderbird can work well because
they are portable and meant to be on an external drive.

WordPerfect also installs mostly on the D: drive.

I have read that Adobe Reader can be installed on D: but there is some
fuss and I have not attempted it yet.

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 01:46:14 -0400, Paul wrote:

HB wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news
That is my biggest problem with the current windows updates. Recently
we took a trip. Before the trip I checked for updates, and thought I
was safe. At the first rest stop, I tried to check my email and that
was enough for it to find and upgrade. It is a tablet with a slow
processor and limited memory, so I could not use the table for the
rest of the trip as it was busy trying to download the update.
Completely cancelling out the purpose of the tablet.

A similar thing happened to my wife. She was furious. Not only don't we
want the damn updates forced on us, but the Tablet has a small amount
of HD space to save things on. Who would want their Tablet loaded with
these endless updates taking up that space? Well, maybe some
people........

I try to tell people not to buy 32GB platforms, because they aren't all
that practical.

About 8 months ago or so, there were some P.R. announcements of 64GB
eMMC being available, but the stuff at retail still has plenty of the
32GB models.

The problem is, people have demonstrated that price is the only factor
that matters. And... that's how they all end up with those 32GB ones. If
I tell someone "you can get a 32GB tablet for $100 but it won't have any
room to store anything", they responds with "only $100, OK, I'm buyin
it".

Paul

Price is a double edged weapon. The insistence on low price and
resultant consumer frustration probably fuels the technological
development of lower priced systems with improvements in memory capacity
as well as improved software.

I can't imagine what a $100 tablet running W10 is like. My wife's W10
($250) laptop is always just hanging around updating it seems. 64 GB
internal and 128 GB flash.. "Sweetie why is this thing still running?"
She replies "Oh, it's updating." Then the question in my mind is will
the update finish before the battery runs out?

But for surfing, watching movies, and playing games she doesn't need an
expensive state of the art money-burner.

If MS wants their OS to seriously compete in the tablet market, android
sets the bar, speed-wise and doing more with less (and android is crap in
my opinion)