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Steve Hayes wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:22:54 -0400, John John - MVP wrote: Twayne wrote: In , John John - MVP typed: Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners, they cause more harm than good. Completely untrue. Posted from ignorance and to be a gopher for a small group of registry cleaner libelists. Like any other program, just source a reliable program from a reliable web site. They don't do any harm or damage and they also allow you to undo any changes you make anyway. As usual and in your true form when ever these useless programs are exposed for what they are you are here to defend your beloved cleaners and to insult all who disagree with you. However, when people post seeking help with real problems caused by these cleaners you are nowhere to been seen. Most of us here have noticed that when it comes to posts about registry cleaners you have a case of selected blindness, and when you do reply to posts you usually leave your brains and manners parked somewhere else. None of which tells us ANYTHING about why you think we should not use registry cleaners, and what harm you think they do. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b2f696ca1b9462 http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/t...D%3D 28824491 http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic110399.html http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299958 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888637 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247678 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...3c7b89f3ba?q=# http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...1aaebff35bc 6 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...ners-necessary http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html They do absolutely nothing to improve performance and reliability of NT installations and they can and do cause problem. Along with that many of them carry pests and malware and others are fraudware, you install them and they muck up your computer and the scam artists who wrote these snake oil programs try to extort money from you to remove their pests from your computer. Why bother? John |
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"thanatoid" wrote in message ... snip | Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. People who make an issue of what is clearly a typo on someone else's part but make one themselves when they do so - always a giggle. Try removing the plank from "you" own eye first! |
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"thanatoid" wrote in message ... snip | Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. People who make an issue of what is clearly a typo on someone else's part but make one themselves when they do so - always a giggle. Try removing the plank from "you" own eye first! |
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On Jan 8, 1:30*am, VanguardLH wrote:
Jackson wrote: Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. *I believe it's freeware. Has anyone used this program? *Do you have any remarks or recomendations? Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL - What is currently wrong or failing with the registry? - What convinced you that the registry needs to be "cleaned" up? - What constitutes the "cleaning" actions? - What do you expect to gain from the cleanup? - What are you going to do if the registry changes hose over * your computer since a restore may not be possible? - What is your recovery strategy from the registry changes? *_Why the uneducated or lazy should never use registry cleaners_* If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. *Regardless of relinquishing the task to software, YOU are the final authority in allowing it to make the changes. *Any registry cleaner that does not request for YOU to give permission to make its proposed changes along with listing each proposed change should be discarded. Do you have a backup & restore plan in place? *When (and not if) the registry cleaner corrupts your registry and when you can no longer boot into Windows, just how are you going to restore that OS partition so it is usable again? *Even if you use a registry cleaner that provides for backups of its changes so you can revert back to the prior state, how are you going to perform that restore if you cannot boot the OS after hosing over its registry? *What about entries in the registry that look to be orphaned under the current OS load instance but are used under a different OS environment? You delete what looks orphaned only to find out that they are required under a different environment. Say there was an unusually high amount of orphaned entries in your registry, like 4MB. *By deleting the orphaned entries, you would speed up how long it takes Windows to load the registry's files when it starts up - by all of maybe 1 second. *Oooh, aaah. *All that risk of modifying the registry to save maybe a second, or less, during the Windows startup. *Most folks that clean the registry end up deleting only 10KB, or less. *They are doing nothing to improve their Windows load time. *Since the registry is only read from the memory copy of it, and since memory is random access, there is no difference to read one byte of the registry (in memory) from the another byte in the registry (also in memory). *The extra data in memory for orphaned entries has no effect on the time to retrieve items from the memory copy of the registry because orphaned entries are never retrieved (if they were, they aren't orphaned). Cleaning the registry will NOT improve performance in reading from the memory copy of the registry. *The reduced size of the registry's .dat files might reduce the load time of Windows by all of a second and probably much less. *And you want to risk the stability of your OS for inconsequential changes to its registry? *The same boobs that get suckered into these registry cleanup "tools" are the same ones that get suckered into the memory defragment "tools". A registry cleaner should only be used if you by yourself can correctly cleanup the registry. *The cleaner is just a tool to automate the same process but you should know every change that it intends to make and understand each of those changes. *After all, and regardless of the stagnant expertise that is hard coded into the utility, *YOU* are the final authority in what registry changes are performed whether you do it manually or with a utility. *If YOU do not understand the proposed change (which requires the product actually divulge the proposed change before committing that change), how will you know whether or not to allow that change? Rather a brash statement: "If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. " Does that mean you personally can MANUALLY fix Corrupt files, do a Spellcheck, do a full Search, take/make a Snapshot, do the job of a Translator...withOUT using software? Behave, laddie. You MAY be Good but you AIN'T God......YET! |
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On Jan 8, 1:30*am, VanguardLH wrote:
Jackson wrote: Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. *I believe it's freeware. Has anyone used this program? *Do you have any remarks or recomendations? Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL - What is currently wrong or failing with the registry? - What convinced you that the registry needs to be "cleaned" up? - What constitutes the "cleaning" actions? - What do you expect to gain from the cleanup? - What are you going to do if the registry changes hose over * your computer since a restore may not be possible? - What is your recovery strategy from the registry changes? *_Why the uneducated or lazy should never use registry cleaners_* If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. *Regardless of relinquishing the task to software, YOU are the final authority in allowing it to make the changes. *Any registry cleaner that does not request for YOU to give permission to make its proposed changes along with listing each proposed change should be discarded. Do you have a backup & restore plan in place? *When (and not if) the registry cleaner corrupts your registry and when you can no longer boot into Windows, just how are you going to restore that OS partition so it is usable again? *Even if you use a registry cleaner that provides for backups of its changes so you can revert back to the prior state, how are you going to perform that restore if you cannot boot the OS after hosing over its registry? *What about entries in the registry that look to be orphaned under the current OS load instance but are used under a different OS environment? You delete what looks orphaned only to find out that they are required under a different environment. Say there was an unusually high amount of orphaned entries in your registry, like 4MB. *By deleting the orphaned entries, you would speed up how long it takes Windows to load the registry's files when it starts up - by all of maybe 1 second. *Oooh, aaah. *All that risk of modifying the registry to save maybe a second, or less, during the Windows startup. *Most folks that clean the registry end up deleting only 10KB, or less. *They are doing nothing to improve their Windows load time. *Since the registry is only read from the memory copy of it, and since memory is random access, there is no difference to read one byte of the registry (in memory) from the another byte in the registry (also in memory). *The extra data in memory for orphaned entries has no effect on the time to retrieve items from the memory copy of the registry because orphaned entries are never retrieved (if they were, they aren't orphaned). Cleaning the registry will NOT improve performance in reading from the memory copy of the registry. *The reduced size of the registry's .dat files might reduce the load time of Windows by all of a second and probably much less. *And you want to risk the stability of your OS for inconsequential changes to its registry? *The same boobs that get suckered into these registry cleanup "tools" are the same ones that get suckered into the memory defragment "tools". A registry cleaner should only be used if you by yourself can correctly cleanup the registry. *The cleaner is just a tool to automate the same process but you should know every change that it intends to make and understand each of those changes. *After all, and regardless of the stagnant expertise that is hard coded into the utility, *YOU* are the final authority in what registry changes are performed whether you do it manually or with a utility. *If YOU do not understand the proposed change (which requires the product actually divulge the proposed change before committing that change), how will you know whether or not to allow that change? Rather a brash statement: "If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. " Does that mean you personally can MANUALLY fix Corrupt files, do a Spellcheck, do a full Search, take/make a Snapshot, do the job of a Translator...withOUT using software? Behave, laddie. You MAY be Good but you AIN'T God......YET! |
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VanguardLH said it correctly. If you are inept at editing the registry
manually don't use a program to do it for you. His post was well said and educational. But, Sandy58, this has absolutely nothing to do with fixing corrupt files, do a spell-check, do a full search, take/make a snapshot, etc. Perhaps, you have no idea what a registry is? "sandy58" wrote in message ... On Jan 8, 1:30 am, VanguardLH wrote: Jackson wrote: Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I believe it's freeware. Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or recomendations? Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL - What is currently wrong or failing with the registry? - What convinced you that the registry needs to be "cleaned" up? - What constitutes the "cleaning" actions? - What do you expect to gain from the cleanup? - What are you going to do if the registry changes hose over your computer since a restore may not be possible? - What is your recovery strategy from the registry changes? *_Why the uneducated or lazy should never use registry cleaners_* If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. Regardless of relinquishing the task to software, YOU are the final authority in allowing it to make the changes. Any registry cleaner that does not request for YOU to give permission to make its proposed changes along with listing each proposed change should be discarded. Do you have a backup & restore plan in place? When (and not if) the registry cleaner corrupts your registry and when you can no longer boot into Windows, just how are you going to restore that OS partition so it is usable again? Even if you use a registry cleaner that provides for backups of its changes so you can revert back to the prior state, how are you going to perform that restore if you cannot boot the OS after hosing over its registry? What about entries in the registry that look to be orphaned under the current OS load instance but are used under a different OS environment? You delete what looks orphaned only to find out that they are required under a different environment. Say there was an unusually high amount of orphaned entries in your registry, like 4MB. By deleting the orphaned entries, you would speed up how long it takes Windows to load the registry's files when it starts up - by all of maybe 1 second. Oooh, aaah. All that risk of modifying the registry to save maybe a second, or less, during the Windows startup. Most folks that clean the registry end up deleting only 10KB, or less. They are doing nothing to improve their Windows load time. Since the registry is only read from the memory copy of it, and since memory is random access, there is no difference to read one byte of the registry (in memory) from the another byte in the registry (also in memory). The extra data in memory for orphaned entries has no effect on the time to retrieve items from the memory copy of the registry because orphaned entries are never retrieved (if they were, they aren't orphaned). Cleaning the registry will NOT improve performance in reading from the memory copy of the registry. The reduced size of the registry's .dat files might reduce the load time of Windows by all of a second and probably much less. And you want to risk the stability of your OS for inconsequential changes to its registry? The same boobs that get suckered into these registry cleanup "tools" are the same ones that get suckered into the memory defragment "tools". A registry cleaner should only be used if you by yourself can correctly cleanup the registry. The cleaner is just a tool to automate the same process but you should know every change that it intends to make and understand each of those changes. After all, and regardless of the stagnant expertise that is hard coded into the utility, *YOU* are the final authority in what registry changes are performed whether you do it manually or with a utility. If YOU do not understand the proposed change (which requires the product actually divulge the proposed change before committing that change), how will you know whether or not to allow that change? Rather a brash statement: "If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. " Does that mean you personally can MANUALLY fix Corrupt files, do a Spellcheck, do a full Search, take/make a Snapshot, do the job of a Translator...withOUT using software? Behave, laddie. You MAY be Good but you AIN'T God......YET! |
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VanguardLH said it correctly. If you are inept at editing the registry
manually don't use a program to do it for you. His post was well said and educational. But, Sandy58, this has absolutely nothing to do with fixing corrupt files, do a spell-check, do a full search, take/make a snapshot, etc. Perhaps, you have no idea what a registry is? "sandy58" wrote in message ... On Jan 8, 1:30 am, VanguardLH wrote: Jackson wrote: Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I believe it's freeware. Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or recomendations? Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL - What is currently wrong or failing with the registry? - What convinced you that the registry needs to be "cleaned" up? - What constitutes the "cleaning" actions? - What do you expect to gain from the cleanup? - What are you going to do if the registry changes hose over your computer since a restore may not be possible? - What is your recovery strategy from the registry changes? *_Why the uneducated or lazy should never use registry cleaners_* If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. Regardless of relinquishing the task to software, YOU are the final authority in allowing it to make the changes. Any registry cleaner that does not request for YOU to give permission to make its proposed changes along with listing each proposed change should be discarded. Do you have a backup & restore plan in place? When (and not if) the registry cleaner corrupts your registry and when you can no longer boot into Windows, just how are you going to restore that OS partition so it is usable again? Even if you use a registry cleaner that provides for backups of its changes so you can revert back to the prior state, how are you going to perform that restore if you cannot boot the OS after hosing over its registry? What about entries in the registry that look to be orphaned under the current OS load instance but are used under a different OS environment? You delete what looks orphaned only to find out that they are required under a different environment. Say there was an unusually high amount of orphaned entries in your registry, like 4MB. By deleting the orphaned entries, you would speed up how long it takes Windows to load the registry's files when it starts up - by all of maybe 1 second. Oooh, aaah. All that risk of modifying the registry to save maybe a second, or less, during the Windows startup. Most folks that clean the registry end up deleting only 10KB, or less. They are doing nothing to improve their Windows load time. Since the registry is only read from the memory copy of it, and since memory is random access, there is no difference to read one byte of the registry (in memory) from the another byte in the registry (also in memory). The extra data in memory for orphaned entries has no effect on the time to retrieve items from the memory copy of the registry because orphaned entries are never retrieved (if they were, they aren't orphaned). Cleaning the registry will NOT improve performance in reading from the memory copy of the registry. The reduced size of the registry's .dat files might reduce the load time of Windows by all of a second and probably much less. And you want to risk the stability of your OS for inconsequential changes to its registry? The same boobs that get suckered into these registry cleanup "tools" are the same ones that get suckered into the memory defragment "tools". A registry cleaner should only be used if you by yourself can correctly cleanup the registry. The cleaner is just a tool to automate the same process but you should know every change that it intends to make and understand each of those changes. After all, and regardless of the stagnant expertise that is hard coded into the utility, *YOU* are the final authority in what registry changes are performed whether you do it manually or with a utility. If YOU do not understand the proposed change (which requires the product actually divulge the proposed change before committing that change), how will you know whether or not to allow that change? Rather a brash statement: "If YOU are not adept at *manually* editing the registry, don't use a tool that you don't understand regarding its proposed changes. " Does that mean you personally can MANUALLY fix Corrupt files, do a Spellcheck, do a full Search, take/make a Snapshot, do the job of a Translator...withOUT using software? Behave, laddie. You MAY be Good but you AIN'T God......YET! |
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in
: SNIP Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. Forget the BS spelling faux pas... It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | OK, I'll bite... Why? Because the need for one is a myth I just LOVE specific replies! Bravo! Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve. Problems that can be catastrophic. I /could/ ask for an example but judging by your "reply" to my first question, I don't see much point. |
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in
: SNIP Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. Forget the BS spelling faux pas... It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | OK, I'll bite... Why? Because the need for one is a myth I just LOVE specific replies! Bravo! Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve. Problems that can be catastrophic. I /could/ ask for an example but judging by your "reply" to my first question, I don't see much point. |
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John John - MVP wrote in
: I'll post where ever I want and if you don't like it don't bother reading my posts. Huh? You talkin' to me? What good, pray tell, has a registry cleaner ever done for you? At various times, it has removed between 25-500 useless entries, reduced the registry size by 5%-20%, defragged it, and gave me the kind of good feeling we anal-retentives enjoy having. Like all the other believers out there you put some kind of blind faith or voodoo trust in them and because your registry cleaner has found and removed a couple Not "couple", between 25-500 per session, depending on how many stupid programs written by morons I have tried and "uninstalled" in the meantime. of orphaned registry entries it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling and you think that it's doing something useful. I do think that's useful. You are welcome to disagree. Your question says it all, "WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of YOUR systems that you could not undo with the backup files...". Too bad you can't answer that question. The truth - as I have seen it in all my time on the Usenet (this subject tends to be recurrent) - is that of all the peoploids carping on about how BAD Reg Cleaners are, not ONE has ever been able to give me an example of ANYTHING that got ****ed up. That is the gist of it all. Why bother with programs that at best do nothing other than give you a fuzzy feeling Hey, my life sucks, I take what I can get. and that at worst will cause problems requiring you to restore registry files? E X A M P L E P L E A S E. That is if the registry cleaner can even restore its own backup (often they can't) Why do you keep on inventing ****? Admit it, you've never even used one. or if it hasn't crippled the installation to the point where the Windows can't boot properly. And this has happened to you H O W many time, exactly? Right. These cleaners are next to utterly useless and the purposed non existent benefits parroted by the vendors and fans of these programs are simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do sometimes cause. A G A I N, E X A M P L E P L E A S E. Or, just STFU. And don't top post. |
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"Olórin" wrote in
: "thanatoid" wrote in message ... snip | Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. People who make an issue of what is clearly a typo "Rulke" would be more of a /typo/. I am sure he knows there's only one "l" but I am not sure he has heard of spell checkers. That is one typo any one of them WOULD have caught. on someone else's part but make one themselves when they do so - always a giggle. I am always happy to provide amusement. Try removing the plank from "you" own eye first! I likes me planks, Mr. Wizard. And at least I /use/ my spell- checker. |
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"Olórin" wrote in
: "thanatoid" wrote in message ... snip | Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. People who make an issue of what is clearly a typo "Rulke" would be more of a /typo/. I am sure he knows there's only one "l" but I am not sure he has heard of spell checkers. That is one typo any one of them WOULD have caught. on someone else's part but make one themselves when they do so - always a giggle. I am always happy to provide amusement. Try removing the plank from "you" own eye first! I likes me planks, Mr. Wizard. And at least I /use/ my spell- checker. |
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On Jan 8, 5:28*am, "David H. Lipman"
wrote: From: "Steve Hayes" | On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:48:54 -0500, "David H. Lipman" | wrote: From: "Jackson" | Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for | Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. *I | believe it's freeware. | Has anyone used this program? *Do you have any remarks or | recomendations? | Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | So how should you clean the registry, then? You don't. *There is no need to clean the Registry. *It is a myth to sell snake oil. *Very often these so-called Registry Cleaners are malware. -- Davehttp://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV -http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp "Very often these so-called Registry Cleaners are malware. " As are some AV programs....and your point is? It's a personal choice whether or not to use a reg program. You believe in the "snake oil" theory (and that's all it is, a THEORY.) no-one here has yet mentioned specifics. Name of program/what it did wrong/resulting chaos etc. It's all very well slagging away but, like politicians, smoke & mirrors/hot air. A great percentage of negative posters here have been persuaded by the other negative posters. Not one of them has a positive example of damage inflicted on a system. NOW we should see loads of 2nd- & 3rd-hand examples of how PC's have been totalled through using Registry Cleaners. :-) |
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On Jan 8, 5:28*am, "David H. Lipman"
wrote: From: "Steve Hayes" | On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:48:54 -0500, "David H. Lipman" | wrote: From: "Jackson" | Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for | Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. *I | believe it's freeware. | Has anyone used this program? *Do you have any remarks or | recomendations? | Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | So how should you clean the registry, then? You don't. *There is no need to clean the Registry. *It is a myth to sell snake oil. *Very often these so-called Registry Cleaners are malware. -- Davehttp://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV -http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp "Very often these so-called Registry Cleaners are malware. " As are some AV programs....and your point is? It's a personal choice whether or not to use a reg program. You believe in the "snake oil" theory (and that's all it is, a THEORY.) no-one here has yet mentioned specifics. Name of program/what it did wrong/resulting chaos etc. It's all very well slagging away but, like politicians, smoke & mirrors/hot air. A great percentage of negative posters here have been persuaded by the other negative posters. Not one of them has a positive example of damage inflicted on a system. NOW we should see loads of 2nd- & 3rd-hand examples of how PC's have been totalled through using Registry Cleaners. :-) |
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thanatoid wrote:
"David H. Lipman" wrote in : SNIP Rulle of thumb... Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. Forget the BS spelling faux pas... It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | OK, I'll bite... Why? Because the need for one is a myth I just LOVE specific replies! Bravo! Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve. Problems that can be catastrophic. I /could/ ask for an example but judging by your "reply" to my first question, I don't see much point. What you haven't done, for all of your posturing, is tell why you think registry cleaning is a good idea. We know that there's always a chance that a neophyte will "clean" something that will result in trouble, and even if the chance is remote, there must be something that makes the risk worthwhile. If you just want to clean out orphaned entries because their presence bothers you, that's a personal neurosis and not evidence of efficacy. Do you believe that large numbers of orphaned entries cause a problem (such as significantly slowing down the system) other than their mere presence? If so, what objective evidence do you have? Note that "I know my system's faster after registry cleaning" isn't objective evidence. |
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