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Old September 18th 17, 10:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default How to disable internet search from the adresbar of file explorer?

R.Wieser wrote:
Mike,

I was thinking about renaming a copy of something like
"Calc.exe" (The calculator), to the name of the browser, and just
removing the un-needed browser. At least that way, I'd just get the
calculator whenever a webpage is supposed to appear.


That will work for any case which works tries to start the web-browser
program -- which, in IE's case, is just a small GUI program interfacing with
all the OS-embedded web components -- but not in the case of what I
described, from within file-explorer.

Try it: put one or a few words (they are handled differently!) into the
addres bar of the file explorer, and notice it turning itself into a
webbrowser (even the toolbar changes). If you had the folder tree open it
turns into a "search assistant" window (just as in the web browser)

I am not sure if this will work, or not.


Alas. It will work partially, not wholly.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:01:32 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

Hello all,

#1: I would like to know if there is a way to stop file-explorer of trying
to go online when something is entered in the adressbar it does not
recognise.

#2: I would also like to remove the 'websearch' option thats made
available
when you, from the file-explorer, select "find".

If've _blocked_ both using very crude methods (registry editing involved),
but would very much like to know how to do it the "clean" way.

And a funny thing: #1 goes to google, #2 goes to bing. :-) :-(

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

I sure can relate to this problem. I have a computer I use to do graphic
editing, and is also my machine to store a huge amount of music, videos,
photos, and other personal stuff. That computer has never and will never
be connected to the internet. I dont trust my valuable files to the
internet, and should not have to. Having several computers, I dont have
any need to connect that machine anyhow.

That computer runs XP SP3 Pro.

I get extremely tired of it opening my browser and giving me an error
message. I was thinking about renaming a copy of something like
"Calc.exe" (The calculator), to the name of the browser, and just
removing the un-needed browser. At least that way, I'd just get the
calculator whenever a webpage is supposed to appear. I am not sure if
this will work, or not.


One of the functions from that era was Active Desktop. which
allowed defining some of the desktop with HTML.

Searching in the address bar, was a function specific to Internet Explorer
(which is not the same thing as File Explorer). Do you suppose the functionality
of File Explorer *changes* with Internet Explorer version ?

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...tprocurrentver

As an experiment, on WinXP SP3 with IE6, I typed "http:www.sun.com"
into the File Explorer bar at the top, and it opened IE6 *in the same window*
and displayed the web page. If I typed "www.sun.com", it did the
same thing, and didn't try to use Bing.

In my Internet Options, I have under the Advanced tab:

Search from the Address bar

When searching

1 Display results, and go to the most likely site
2 Do not search from the Address bar
3 Just display the results in the main window
4 X Just go to the most likely site

It would appear the file bar at the top of the iexplorer
window, is really an Address bar on iexplore.exe . And I don't
have Active Desktop or anything like that, enabled if I can
manage it.

Paul

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  #17  
Old September 18th 17, 11:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Default How to disable internet search from the adresbar of file explorer ?

Paul,

Searching in the address bar, was a function specific to Internet Explorer
(which is not the same thing as File Explorer).


I'm rather amazed by that above statement, as your own experiments you
posted a bit lower down prove the opposite.

Quote:
As an experiment, on WinXP SP3 with IE6, I typed "http:www.sun.com" into the
File Explorer bar at the top, and it opened IE6 *in the same window*
You can't have it both ways.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"Paul" wrote in message
news
R.Wieser wrote:
Mike,

I was thinking about renaming a copy of something like
"Calc.exe" (The calculator), to the name of the browser, and just
removing the un-needed browser. At least that way, I'd just get the
calculator whenever a webpage is supposed to appear.


That will work for any case which works tries to start the web-browser
program -- which, in IE's case, is just a small GUI program interfacing
with all the OS-embedded web components -- but not in the case of what I
described, from within file-explorer.

Try it: put one or a few words (they are handled differently!) into the
addres bar of the file explorer, and notice it turning itself into a
webbrowser (even the toolbar changes). If you had the folder tree open
it turns into a "search assistant" window (just as in the web browser)

I am not sure if this will work, or not.


Alas. It will work partially, not wholly.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:01:32 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

Hello all,

#1: I would like to know if there is a way to stop file-explorer of
trying
to go online when something is entered in the adressbar it does not
recognise.

#2: I would also like to remove the 'websearch' option thats made
available
when you, from the file-explorer, select "find".

If've _blocked_ both using very crude methods (registry editing
involved),
but would very much like to know how to do it the "clean" way.

And a funny thing: #1 goes to google, #2 goes to bing. :-) :-(

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

I sure can relate to this problem. I have a computer I use to do graphic
editing, and is also my machine to store a huge amount of music, videos,
photos, and other personal stuff. That computer has never and will never
be connected to the internet. I dont trust my valuable files to the
internet, and should not have to. Having several computers, I dont have
any need to connect that machine anyhow.

That computer runs XP SP3 Pro.

I get extremely tired of it opening my browser and giving me an error
message. I was thinking about renaming a copy of something like
"Calc.exe" (The calculator), to the name of the browser, and just
removing the un-needed browser. At least that way, I'd just get the
calculator whenever a webpage is supposed to appear. I am not sure if
this will work, or not.


One of the functions from that era was Active Desktop. which
allowed defining some of the desktop with HTML.

Searching in the address bar, was a function specific to Internet Explorer
(which is not the same thing as File Explorer). Do you suppose the
functionality
of File Explorer *changes* with Internet Explorer version ?

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...tprocurrentver

As an experiment, on WinXP SP3 with IE6, I typed "http:www.sun.com"
into the File Explorer bar at the top, and it opened IE6 *in the same
window*
and displayed the web page. If I typed "www.sun.com", it did the
same thing, and didn't try to use Bing.

In my Internet Options, I have under the Advanced tab:

Search from the Address bar

When searching

1 Display results, and go to the most likely site
2 Do not search from the Address bar
3 Just display the results in the main window
4 X Just go to the most likely site

It would appear the file bar at the top of the iexplorer
window, is really an Address bar on iexplore.exe . And I don't
have Active Desktop or anything like that, enabled if I can
manage it.

Paul



  #18  
Old September 18th 17, 12:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default How to disable internet search from the adresbar of file explorer?

R.Wieser wrote:
Paul,

Searching in the address bar, was a function specific to Internet Explorer
(which is not the same thing as File Explorer).


I'm rather amazed by that above statement, as your own experiments you
posted a bit lower down prove the opposite.

Quote:
As an experiment, on WinXP SP3 with IE6, I typed "http:www.sun.com" into the
File Explorer bar at the top, and it opened IE6 *in the same window*

You can't have it both ways.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


A theory, for your consideration.

https://s26.postimg.org/ny1bn5yk9/explorer_info.gif

It involves skullduggery with MSHTML rendering engine and COM
interfaces, rather than iexplore.exe running. Explorer.exe
is using COM to get to MSHTML and render something. If the
European Union insists that iexplore.exe be removed,
Microsoft leaves the MSHTML part (the "engine"), because it
supports such functions as HTML help.

Paul
  #19  
Old September 18th 17, 12:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Default How to disable internet search from the adresbar of file explorer ?

Paul,

It involves skullduggery with MSHTML rendering engine and COM interfaces,
rather than iexplore.exe running.


I already expected an answer like that. :-(

Yes, I'm quite aware that much of what the user sees is not actually
performed by the program he started. But does that matter in regard to the
question I asked ? I don't think so.

The only thing you've shown me is that:

a) You have not actually read the question -- It's not about who does it,
but about where its initiated and that I do not want it to happen.

b) you're (trying to be) a pedantic asshole. Not actually contributing to
anything (much less to an answer), but just tring to pick a fight (worth
nothing, no matter whomever "wins" it).

Goodbye. I can use my time and energy *way* better. By picking my nose for
example. Or watching paint dry.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"Paul" wrote in message
news
R.Wieser wrote:
Paul,

Searching in the address bar, was a function specific to Internet
Explorer
(which is not the same thing as File Explorer).


I'm rather amazed by that above statement, as your own experiments you
posted a bit lower down prove the opposite.

Quote:
As an experiment, on WinXP SP3 with IE6, I typed "http:www.sun.com" into
the File Explorer bar at the top, and it opened IE6 *in the same window*

You can't have it both ways.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


A theory, for your consideration.

https://s26.postimg.org/ny1bn5yk9/explorer_info.gif

It involves skullduggery with MSHTML rendering engine and COM
interfaces, rather than iexplore.exe running. Explorer.exe
is using COM to get to MSHTML and render something. If the
European Union insists that iexplore.exe be removed,
Microsoft leaves the MSHTML part (the "engine"), because it
supports such functions as HTML help.

Paul



  #20  
Old September 18th 17, 01:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default How to disable internet search from the adresbar of file explorer?

R.Wieser wrote:
Paul,

It involves skullduggery with MSHTML rendering engine and COM interfaces,
rather than iexplore.exe running.


I already expected an answer like that. :-(

Yes, I'm quite aware that much of what the user sees is not actually
performed by the program he started. But does that matter in regard to the
question I asked ? I don't think so.

The only thing you've shown me is that:

a) You have not actually read the question -- It's not about who does it,
but about where its initiated and that I do not want it to happen.

b) you're (trying to be) a pedantic asshole. Not actually contributing to
anything (much less to an answer), but just tring to pick a fight (worth
nothing, no matter whomever "wins" it).

Goodbye. I can use my time and energy *way* better. By picking my nose for
example. Or watching paint dry.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


What I did there, was tested Explorer. I typed a URL into
it, just for kicks, and was shocked to see what it did.
I don't normally do stuff like that.

I had a look in Task Manager. No iexplore.exe to be seen.
However, there was a DLLHOST dangling there, and the info
about it didn't immediately spell out things in details.

When I present an idea like this, it's to show that
perhaps the behavior depends on COM. And perhaps,
using a COM-based attack, you can figure out a
way to stop it from doing that.

On some of the other later OSes, you can mess around
with search hosts (i.e. more than Bing). But generally,
when it comes to search, Microsoft never seems to
give the user enough control to get what they want.
Any time an update comes into the computer, it can screw
up something you thought you'd fixed.

Paul
  #21  
Old September 19th 17, 09:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default How to disable internet search from the adresbar of file explorer?

Paul wrote:
R.Wieser wrote:
Paul,

It involves skullduggery with MSHTML rendering engine and COM
interfaces, rather than iexplore.exe running.


I already expected an answer like that. :-(

Yes, I'm quite aware that much of what the user sees is not actually
performed by the program he started. But does that matter in regard
to the question I asked ? I don't think so.

The only thing you've shown me is that:

a) You have not actually read the question -- It's not about who does
it, but about where its initiated and that I do not want it to happen.

b) you're (trying to be) a pedantic asshole. Not actually
contributing to anything (much less to an answer), but just tring to
pick a fight (worth nothing, no matter whomever "wins" it).

Goodbye. I can use my time and energy *way* better. By picking my
nose for example. Or watching paint dry.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



There is a suggestion here, as a way to defeat IE partially. It involves
giving IE a proxy to use which functions as a /dev/null.

https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-unin...plorer-2617982

"In the Proxy server section, check the box next to

Use a proxy server for your LAN

(These settings will not apply to dial-up or VPN connections).

In the Address: text box, enter 0.0.0.0.
In the Port: text box, enter 80.
Click OK and then click OK again in the Internet Properties window.
Close all Internet Explorer windows."

What that would do, in terms of the wider MSHTML capability...

1) CHM files continue to render. HTML-flavored Help files still work.
2) It will break Windows Update (which relies on a working IE).
It will break Outlook Express.
3) It will break using IE in a conventional manner.
4) It should stop File Explorer from being able to reach Bing,
but it will undoubtedly make a mess of the File Explorer screen
in some way.

That's not a complete list.

The biggest exposure, is breaking Windows Update, even if Windows
Update doesn't (typically) have any new content in it today.
I'm not sure the Wannacrypt patches were put into Windows Update,
as an example. And for those, the stand alone installer is how
you'd do it.

Paul
 




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