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  #196  
Old October 17th 17, 09:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:19:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

Come to think of it, did Jim Jones *really* use
Kool-Aid brand koolaid, or was it just Zarex? That
would be a scandal.

Only in America - I have no idea who Jim Jones is, and am not _sure_
what Kool-Aid is, though I think a very sweetened fruity drink, and I do
have some sense of what "keep drinking the Kool-Aid" means. (I think.)


Well, Jim Jones was an American, but the incident took place in
Jonestown, Guyana. He establish a religious cult group that was
located there.

Jones committed the mass murder of 918 people - including nearly 300
children - by spiking Kool-Aid with cyanide.

Jones himself did not drink the Kool-Aid. He was found shot to death,
apparently by a self-inflicted wound.

More at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

Kool-Aid is a powdered drink mix. When water is added it is a drink.

The expression "to drink the Kool-Aid" is used to describe the blind
following of someone or some concept that will be detrimental to them
in the future.

You might say that continuing to believe that Trump will "Make America
Great Again" is an example of drinking the Kool-Aid.

I suppose Brexit could be so described, too.
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  #197  
Old October 17th 17, 10:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| the tables on some British friends. We went out to a
| local restaurant and I ordered Indian pudding, which is
| cooked corn meal and blackstrap molasses, with vanilla
| ice cream on top. The Brits were appalled and didn't
| dare try the mush. (It's actually delicious. It looks a bit
| like a product of bad digestion. But the hot, bitter
| meal is a perfect balance to the cold, cloyingly sweet
| ice cream.)
|
| I'd try it, I think! (I don't know what "blackstrap" means though.)

According to the experts, the first boiling down of
sugar cane yields cane syrup. Boiling down that
yields molasses. The third boil yields blackstrap.
Dark, thick, bitter, high in minerals. While molasses is
sweet enough to eat as a spread, blackstrap molasses
it mainly used in cooking.

I also use it to bake bread. Anadama: Whole
wheat bread with a percentage of corn meal
and blackstrap molasses. Maybe a ratio of 6/1/1
cups of each. That's pretty much the only bread
I make. I like the graininess of the corn meal.
Though last week I got a deal of 1 qt, hand-picked
wild raspberries for $4 and had to use them quick.
As a result I've discovered baking scones. (Raspberry
scones with chocolate chunks. Wicked good.


  #198  
Old October 17th 17, 11:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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In message Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:19:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


Come to think of it, did Jim Jones *really* use
Kool-Aid brand koolaid, or was it just Zarex? That
would be a scandal.

Only in America - I have no idea who Jim Jones is, and am not _sure_
what Kool-Aid is, though I think a very sweetened fruity drink, and I do
have some sense of what "keep drinking the Kool-Aid" means. (I think.)


Well, Jim Jones was an American, but the incident took place in
Jonestown, Guyana. He establish a religious cult group that was
located there.


They were located in California, then he ordered them all to move to
Guyana. Not all of them did. In fact, my parents and sister knew someone
who stayed behind in California.

Jones committed the mass murder of 918 people - including nearly 300
children - by spiking Kool-Aid with cyanide.


I don't think that is accurate. It was a mass suicide with parents
giving the poison to their children.

The instigating event was the murder, by Jones's cultist, of an American
Representative from California and members of his team who'd gone down to
investigate allegations of abuse. One of the survivors wrote a book.

Despite what Wikipedia says, I've always heard that the Kool-aid wasn't
kool-aid at all, but another powdered mix "Flavor-aid" which is that I
remember from the reports at the time, but it quickly became "Kool-Aid"

Charles Krause of the Washington Post wrote in December 1978 about
seeing unopened packages of Flavor-Aid along the muddy path in
Jonestown.

Also, in _Raven: The Untold Story of Rev. Jim Jones and His People_
there appears the following, ""Along one side of the building on a
wooden table was a vat with the potion. Flavor-Aid, a Kool-Aid-like
drink, colored it purplish" which is a first-person account.

The expression "to drink the Kool-Aid" is used to describe the blind
following of someone or some concept that will be detrimental to them
in the future.


It is used for any blind acceptance, not necessarily harmful.

You might say that continuing to believe that Trump will "Make America
Great Again" is an example of drinking the Kool-Aid.


I suppose Brexit could be so described, too.


There are probably some people in favor of Trump and Brexit who haven't
come to that through blind acceptance.


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  #199  
Old October 17th 17, 11:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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In message , Tony Cooper
writes:
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It's a trademark thing. You can call any brand of gelatine dessert
"Jell-O", but the maker of any other brand can't. A lot of online
recipes are for gelatine desserts, and you can use Jell-O or Royal or
any other brand.

Kraft, the owner of the brand, is naturally protective of trademark
infringement lest Jell-O or jello become a generic term.


From what I've heard, that horse bolted decades ago. They can perhaps
prevent other companies using variations of the name, but one gathers
the general public have been using it as a generic term for longer than
I can remember.
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  #200  
Old October 18th 17, 12:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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Tony Cooper wrote:

Well, Jim Jones was an American, but the incident took place in
Jonestown, Guyana. He establish a religious cult group that was
located there.

Jones committed the mass murder of 918 people - including nearly 300
children - by spiking Kool-Aid with cyanide.

Jones himself did not drink the Kool-Aid. He was found shot to death,
apparently by a self-inflicted wound.

More at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

At the Federal prison on Terminal Island (Los Angeles County) I met the
fellow who mixed and stirred the deadly drink in large barrels. He's a
small man, about 5'5", and always walked alone in the exercise yard.

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  #201  
Old October 18th 17, 12:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake wrote:

To me, jelly and jam are two related, but different things


Indeed it seems that Walmart stock Welch's Concord Grape jam, jelly and
spread.
  #202  
Old October 18th 17, 12:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:36:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Tony Cooper
writes:
[]
It's a trademark thing. You can call any brand of gelatine dessert
"Jell-O", but the maker of any other brand can't. A lot of online
recipes are for gelatine desserts, and you can use Jell-O or Royal or
any other brand.

Kraft, the owner of the brand, is naturally protective of trademark
infringement lest Jell-O or jello become a generic term.


From what I've heard, that horse bolted decades ago. They can perhaps
prevent other companies using variations of the name, but one gathers
the general public have been using it as a generic term for longer than
I can remember.


It is a generic if you consider what the general public uses to
describe the product. However, what I don't think you'll see is a box
of "Jello" so-labeled by anyone. That's what the Kraft wants to
avoid.

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  #203  
Old October 18th 17, 12:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:02:06 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

In message Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:19:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


Come to think of it, did Jim Jones *really* use
Kool-Aid brand koolaid, or was it just Zarex? That
would be a scandal.

Only in America - I have no idea who Jim Jones is, and am not _sure_
what Kool-Aid is, though I think a very sweetened fruity drink, and I do
have some sense of what "keep drinking the Kool-Aid" means. (I think.)


Well, Jim Jones was an American, but the incident took place in
Jonestown, Guyana. He establish a religious cult group that was
located there.


They were located in California, then he ordered them all to move to
Guyana. Not all of them did. In fact, my parents and sister knew someone
who stayed behind in California.

Jones committed the mass murder of 918 people - including nearly 300
children - by spiking Kool-Aid with cyanide.


I don't think that is accurate. It was a mass suicide with parents
giving the poison to their children.

I wouldn't want to be a lawyer arguing that point. If Jones convinced
the people that committing suicide was the right thing to do, that is
very close to murder. If not clearly murder.


--
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  #204  
Old October 18th 17, 02:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Tony Cooper" wrote

| I wouldn't want to be a lawyer arguing that point. If Jones convinced
| the people that committing suicide was the right thing to do, that is
| very close to murder. If not clearly murder.
|

As I remember it, there were also men with guns
enforcing the drinking. My understanding was that no
one had an option to leave. I thought your description
was very concise and relevant.


  #205  
Old October 18th 17, 03:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:19:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Mayayana
writes:
[]
And how about q-tips and bandaids? Are they
cotton swabs and "plastic, individually wrapped
bandages for small cuts"? Those terms are neither
unambiguous descriptions nor attractive choices.


In the UK, the former are generically "cotton buds", I think. As for the
latter, I don't think we have ever had a brand dominant enough to be
used as a generic - possibly elastoplast - but in general, we would just
call them "plasters". The term bandaid - or band-aid - is often used, as
it is in America (from where I think we've got this particular usage),
to mean "a temporary solution unlikely to last rather than fixing the
problem properly". ("Putting a band-aid on it.")


I tend to think of "bandaid" as a concert by professional musicians
where the musicians donate the takings to a worthy cause, The generic
name for sticking plasters is "elastoplast" even it it says "Band-Aid"
on the box.

Come to think of it, did Jim Jones *really* use
Kool-Aid brand koolaid, or was it just Zarex? That
would be a scandal.

Only in America - I have no idea who Jim Jones is, and am not _sure_
what Kool-Aid is, though I think a very sweetened fruity drink, and I do
have some sense of what "keep drinking the Kool-Aid" means. (I think.)


I recall Kool-Aid from my youth -- I don't think I've seen it on sale
since the 1950s. It was powdered stuff you added to water to make a
sweet drink, almosrt entirely synthetic, I think. Presumably it was
still available in Guyana about 30 years ago. but for mee it was
ancient history even in the time of Jim Jones.




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Old October 18th 17, 03:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:49:12 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Ken Blake" wrote

Thats one of the reasons I stick with Pegasus, which is set to send
and read only in plain text.



Almost *any* e-mail program can do the same thing. I use Outlook.exe,
and it's set the same way.


I still use OE6, which also has that choice and
blocks script. TBird defaults to not loading remote
images, which seems like a nice option to me.
There's really no reason, other than spying, to
link images remotely when the image itself can easily
be embedded.



It does save bandwidth, and I suppose banks that send out lots of
stuff might save a bit that way. The problem is that one of the worst
offenders in sending HTML-only mail with remote images is my bank, and
the spammers and malware distributors have cottoned on to this, and I
get about 6 fake bank statements for every real one.




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  #207  
Old October 18th 17, 04:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:28:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I
don't know if there's any substance that you call jam.


"jelly" is jellied fruit juice. Commercial jelly is filtered off
clear, leaving it tasting rather like sugar-water, and over-pectined
so much that it shatters when you try to spread it. Less often,
"jelly" refers to the gelatin-stiff meat broth sometimes found on
canned meat or under a roast. "Jelly" is also used metaphorically for
substances that resemble, or are fancied to resemble, either of these
foods. ("Petroleum jelly', for example.)

"jam" is mashed fruit cooked down with sugar and, sometimes, extra
pectin. When jam is sold in supermarkets, it's always mis-labeled
"preserves". Real preserves are not available, but some "fruit
spreads" come close.

"Preserves" are whole berries or bite-size chunks of larger fruits
preserved in a syrup or jelly drawn out of the fruit by cooking it
with dry sugar.

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I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.


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Old October 18th 17, 11:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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BugHunter schreef op Di 17 Okt 2017 om 19:00:
Mayayana schreef op Di 17 Okt 2017 om 12:49:
"Ken Blake" wrote

Thats one of the reasons I stick with Pegasus, which is set to send
and read only in plain text.



Almost *any* e-mail program can do the same thing. I use Outlook.exe,
and it's set the same way.


I still use OE6, which also has that choice and
blocks script. TBird defaults to not loading remote
images, which seems like a nice option to me.
There's really no reason, other than spying, to
link images remotely when the image itself can easily
be embedded.



I have an app who can send binaries with
usenet. It converts them to a hexdump, en
you can paste it in the text. Copy it and
start the app and paste it in a textfile
and the binary is back to the other side.
Nice for small binaries.



You can get it he

http://bughunter.byethost7.com/binaries.zip

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  #209  
Old October 18th 17, 11:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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In message , Steve Hayes
writes:
[]
I tend to think of "bandaid" as a concert by professional musicians
where the musicians donate the takings to a worthy cause, The generic
name for sticking plasters is "elastoplast" even it it says "Band-Aid"
on the box.


I take it from your email that this is a South African perspective?

Here in the UK, until about 20-30 years ago, possibly much more
recently, Band-aid products were not seen here much - as I said, the
generic term was just plaster, with elastoplast (a trade-name derived
term) maybe following.
[]
I recall Kool-Aid from my youth -- I don't think I've seen it on sale
since the 1950s. It was powdered stuff you added to water to make a
sweet drink, almosrt entirely synthetic, I think. Presumably it was
still available in Guyana about 30 years ago. but for mee it was
ancient history even in the time of Jim Jones.

I don't remember seeing it here (UK) at all - nor, for that matter, any
powdered drink being that common, though we had (and still do) plenty of
_dilutable_ drinks. The _expression_ involving Kool-aid has become
familiar here in recent years, though - though I can't think what we
used befo "keep taking the tablets" springs to mind, but I think the
meaning there is subtly different - I think of "Keep drinking the
Kool-aid" to primarily mean something like "keep swallowing
unquestioningly what you're being fed", though with a _back_ meaning of
"just carry on as usual", which is more what the tablets expression more
meant.



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  #210  
Old October 18th 17, 12:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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In message , BugHunter
writes:
BugHunter schreef op Di 17 Okt 2017 om 19:00:

[]
I have an app who can send binaries with
usenet. It converts them to a hexdump, en
you can paste it in the text. Copy it and
start the app and paste it in a textfile
and the binary is back to the other side.
Nice for small binaries.



You can get it he

http://bughunter.byethost7.com/binaries.zip

Surely the old UUcode could do that? Or does your utility work
regardless of "", ":" etc. that have been prepended to lines?
--
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Simon Greenall (voice of Aleksandr the "Simples!" Meerkat), RT 11-17 Dec 2010
 




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