Microsoft blackballs IE

Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.

Woops. This is even weirder than I realized. Tech sites are
posting headlines that MS wants you to stop using IE. But
when I got into the blog comments I realized that what the
author is pushing is actually a new level of Rube Goldberg
design:

They broke quirks mode in IE11. Therefore they broke
many websites unless you set an exception by hand. Now
what they're saying is you should use their tools to create
a listing of the webpages you visit, and once you go through
all that (plus keep it updated) you'll get back a semblance
of quirks mode in IE for sites that need it, while using another
browser as your default. Only Microsoft could define inpossible
complication as a fix.

"Mayayana" on Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.

Weird it is.

I was a regular customer of TaxAct, till last year when it had to
have IE 11 installed or it would not work. Nope, wouldn't be prudent,
not gonna do it.

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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:00:37 -0800, pyotr
filipivich wrote:

"Mayayana" on Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.

Weird it is.

I was a regular customer of TaxAct, till last year when it had to
have IE 11 installed or it would not work. Nope, wouldn't be prudent,
not gonna do it.

The Oz tax department will not recognize Edge. It
wants Chrome, IE11 or those other ones.
I had to change everything to Chrome.

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.



At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
Chrome.

"Dan" wrote

| At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
| and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
| Chrome.

I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be
a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's
what they use personally?

On 2/9/2019 4:12 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Dan" wrote

| At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
| and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
| Chrome.

I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be
a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's
what they use personally?


Could be that they chose it because they understand that many major
browsers have adapted the underlying workings of Chrome rather than
stick with their own structure. We're in a downward spiral as a result
of the general acceptance of Google's proposed revised structure for the
internet.

--
best regards,

Neil

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 16:33:00 -0500, Neil
wrote:

On 2/9/2019 4:12 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Dan" wrote

| At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
| and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
| Chrome.

I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be
a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's
what they use personally?


Could be that they chose it because they understand that many major
browsers have adapted the underlying workings of Chrome rather than
stick with their own structure. We're in a downward spiral as a result
of the general acceptance of Google's proposed revised structure for the
internet.


Could be, since Firefox at leaet for me has been stable, so far. No or
very little tracking issues. I do use a lot of plug ins.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.

What's that then?

Mayayana wrote:

Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.

It wasn't obvious to you that this was a *blog*? It is not a
journalistic report nor an official announcement. You think your posts
here would stand up to your same scrutiny?

For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

As for "endpoints", IE is obviously a web browser that requires
networking and the hosts in a connection are often called endpoints
since, ahem, the hosts are the endpoints of the connection. Just saying
hosts for a connection can be confusing even more because those could
include the hosts in the routing of the connection (called hops).

I'm not familiar with the "technical debt" term; however, I don't
participate in that community and lingo is often related to the
community wherein it is used. I was sitting at a table with a bunch of
friends that were microbiologists or neurosurgeons, yep, they'd sound
like foreigners with all the terms they would bandy that is germaine to
their expertise. I've been told that when my friends and I are talking
around others not so into computers that we sound like foreigners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt

Looks like Chris (Principal Program Manager in the Experiences and
Devices Group) is using terms common within programmer circles.

Even you use terminology that is peculiar to the audience you address.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.

BTW, Edge is moving to the Chromium engine.

https://www.techradar.com/news/micro...ng-to-chromium

On 2/9/2019 10:38 PM, Mayayana wrote:
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:
...
Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.

There are websites and business applications that's heavily optimized
for IE. It's not easy to switch to other browsers (including Edge)
without additional programming and hence costs.

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