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  #31  
Old December 12th 17, 09:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Andy wrote:


Setting up Thunderbird is a lot of work.

And require downloading all messages.

I don't use newsgroups that often.

Andy


It requires downloading each message you click
on, to read it. If there were a thousand spam
messages in a group, then I don't pay any price
by ignoring them. Only the ones I read, do I
pay a little download fee to get the text.

Thunderbird operation consists of three parts.

1) Scan for high water mark on each subscribed group.
Now Thunderbird knows how many new messages are
in each group. This takes a packet per subscribed
newsgroup or so.

2) The user clicks on a group. The header list
is downloaded for the new messages. You need enough
header info, to paint the second pane with the
message Subject materials, date, Author. Again,
this might take ten seconds.

3) While lazily reading one message at a time, you
download the message at that point.

And when Thunderbird shuts down at the end of the
day, the two files per newsgroup in the profile folder,
keep the header info for the group. There is at least
a mid for each message. If a message ages out on the
server, clicking the item in Thunderbird returns an
appropriate error message, when Thunderbird sends the
mid to the server, and the news server says the
message doesn't exist.

Relatively speaking, the overhead is low. It might
take a couple years, to end up with a 50MB header file
for this newsgroup. And that's a measure of your download
rate.

It's sorta the same amount of overhead as Google Groups,
only you get to keep track of what messages you've already
read. And you have the headers to look at, if for example,
you're wondering whatever happened to user "X". Like, when
did they last appear on the news group.

Paul
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  #32  
Old December 13th 17, 12:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Posts: 594
Default Crashes with Firefox Quantum

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:14:45 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:


Setting up Thunderbird is a lot of work.

And require downloading all messages.

I don't use newsgroups that often.

Andy


It requires downloading each message you click
on, to read it. If there were a thousand spam
messages in a group, then I don't pay any price
by ignoring them. Only the ones I read, do I
pay a little download fee to get the text.

Thunderbird operation consists of three parts.

1) Scan for high water mark on each subscribed group.
Now Thunderbird knows how many new messages are
in each group. This takes a packet per subscribed
newsgroup or so.

2) The user clicks on a group. The header list
is downloaded for the new messages. You need enough
header info, to paint the second pane with the
message Subject materials, date, Author. Again,
this might take ten seconds.

3) While lazily reading one message at a time, you
download the message at that point.

And when Thunderbird shuts down at the end of the
day, the two files per newsgroup in the profile folder,
keep the header info for the group. There is at least
a mid for each message. If a message ages out on the
server, clicking the item in Thunderbird returns an
appropriate error message, when Thunderbird sends the
mid to the server, and the news server says the
message doesn't exist.

Relatively speaking, the overhead is low. It might
take a couple years, to end up with a 50MB header file
for this newsgroup. And that's a measure of your download
rate.

It's sorta the same amount of overhead as Google Groups,
only you get to keep track of what messages you've already
read. And you have the headers to look at, if for example,
you're wondering whatever happened to user "X". Like, when
did they last appear on the news group.

Paul


Installing it now. If I have probs, will ask 4 help. Andy
  #33  
Old December 13th 17, 01:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Posts: 594
Default Crashes with Firefox Quantum

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 5:30:58 PM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:14:45 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:


Setting up Thunderbird is a lot of work.

And require downloading all messages.

I don't use newsgroups that often.

Andy


It requires downloading each message you click
on, to read it. If there were a thousand spam
messages in a group, then I don't pay any price
by ignoring them. Only the ones I read, do I
pay a little download fee to get the text.

Thunderbird operation consists of three parts.

1) Scan for high water mark on each subscribed group.
Now Thunderbird knows how many new messages are
in each group. This takes a packet per subscribed
newsgroup or so.

2) The user clicks on a group. The header list
is downloaded for the new messages. You need enough
header info, to paint the second pane with the
message Subject materials, date, Author. Again,
this might take ten seconds.

3) While lazily reading one message at a time, you
download the message at that point.

And when Thunderbird shuts down at the end of the
day, the two files per newsgroup in the profile folder,
keep the header info for the group. There is at least
a mid for each message. If a message ages out on the
server, clicking the item in Thunderbird returns an
appropriate error message, when Thunderbird sends the
mid to the server, and the news server says the
message doesn't exist.

Relatively speaking, the overhead is low. It might
take a couple years, to end up with a 50MB header file
for this newsgroup. And that's a measure of your download
rate.

It's sorta the same amount of overhead as Google Groups,
only you get to keep track of what messages you've already
read. And you have the headers to look at, if for example,
you're wondering whatever happened to user "X". Like, when
did they last appear on the news group.

Paul


Installing it now. If I have probs, will ask 4 help. Andy


Any free news servers?
  #34  
Old December 13th 17, 01:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default Crashes with Firefox Quantum

Andy wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 5:30:58 PM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:14:45 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

Setting up Thunderbird is a lot of work.

And require downloading all messages.

I don't use newsgroups that often.

Andy
It requires downloading each message you click
on, to read it. If there were a thousand spam
messages in a group, then I don't pay any price
by ignoring them. Only the ones I read, do I
pay a little download fee to get the text.

Thunderbird operation consists of three parts.

1) Scan for high water mark on each subscribed group.
Now Thunderbird knows how many new messages are
in each group. This takes a packet per subscribed
newsgroup or so.

2) The user clicks on a group. The header list
is downloaded for the new messages. You need enough
header info, to paint the second pane with the
message Subject materials, date, Author. Again,
this might take ten seconds.

3) While lazily reading one message at a time, you
download the message at that point.

And when Thunderbird shuts down at the end of the
day, the two files per newsgroup in the profile folder,
keep the header info for the group. There is at least
a mid for each message. If a message ages out on the
server, clicking the item in Thunderbird returns an
appropriate error message, when Thunderbird sends the
mid to the server, and the news server says the
message doesn't exist.

Relatively speaking, the overhead is low. It might
take a couple years, to end up with a 50MB header file
for this newsgroup. And that's a measure of your download
rate.

It's sorta the same amount of overhead as Google Groups,
only you get to keep track of what messages you've already
read. And you have the headers to look at, if for example,
you're wondering whatever happened to user "X". Like, when
did they last appear on the news group.

Paul

Installing it now. If I have probs, will ask 4 help. Andy


Any free news servers?


http://news.aioe.org/

* 119 (Plain and TLS) --- default in Tbird on account setup
* 563 (SSL Only)
* 443 (SSL Only)
* 22 (SSL Only)
* 80 (Plain and TLS)

No username/password is required for that server. You do not
need to click "Always Request Authentication" in the server
characteristics for it. You do have to assign a pseudonym
as the sender of course "Andy "
by filling out the two appropriate boxes for it. But
neither of those fields is being used for
authentication (sending a password with it).

Your name: Andy
Email Address:
Outgoing Server: Use default Server (not used)

The server counter-balances that simplicity, with all sorts
of posting rules. You can read as many messages as you want.
You can only make 40 posts per day - and this assumes the
server knows how to count to 40. In the past, it would cut
your allocation in half, because it was none-to-good at
counting.

There is a limit on cross-posting.

There is a limit on line-length (consider setting the wrap limit in Tbird).
The length limit might be 135 characters or so.

There is a limit on quoted text - no "me too" posts are allowed.
Snip most of the source material, make a long enough reply, and
the post will be accepted.

The body of each post, has a hash calculated on it. It is used
to detect "identical" postings.

Now, some examples.

I want to reply to Paul, so I hit the Reply button.
I add some text, I click "Send". Oops! Naughty AIOE rejects
your message.

I then edit the message, to make the message conform to
the rule I violated. I click "Send" a second time. Oops!
The server complains the message was the same as the
previous time, and hence it is rejected.

In other words, even when a message is rejected, the hash (checksum)
of the body text is still stored on the server. You cannot make
two messages with identical bodies (not headers), as the server
will reject the second one, even if the first message was rejected
too. Any message body sent, is recorded as a checksum/hash.

But other than a very annoying rule set, it's free, and
it allows enough posting opportunities a day for light
usage.

I only hit my posting limit a couple of times, in the
years that I've used it. And that's how I figured out
the server didn't know how to count. It doesn't use
a sliding window algorithm, and instead uses a calendar
day to measure postings. A sliding window would work
out the postings in the last 24 hours, and the server
doesn't (normally) work that way.

Paul
  #35  
Old December 13th 17, 03:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Posts: 594
Default Crashes with Firefox Quantum

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 6:21:37 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 5:30:58 PM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:14:45 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

Setting up Thunderbird is a lot of work.

And require downloading all messages.

I don't use newsgroups that often.

Andy
It requires downloading each message you click
on, to read it. If there were a thousand spam
messages in a group, then I don't pay any price
by ignoring them. Only the ones I read, do I
pay a little download fee to get the text.

Thunderbird operation consists of three parts.

1) Scan for high water mark on each subscribed group.
Now Thunderbird knows how many new messages are
in each group. This takes a packet per subscribed
newsgroup or so.

2) The user clicks on a group. The header list
is downloaded for the new messages. You need enough
header info, to paint the second pane with the
message Subject materials, date, Author. Again,
this might take ten seconds.

3) While lazily reading one message at a time, you
download the message at that point.

And when Thunderbird shuts down at the end of the
day, the two files per newsgroup in the profile folder,
keep the header info for the group. There is at least
a mid for each message. If a message ages out on the
server, clicking the item in Thunderbird returns an
appropriate error message, when Thunderbird sends the
mid to the server, and the news server says the
message doesn't exist.

Relatively speaking, the overhead is low. It might
take a couple years, to end up with a 50MB header file
for this newsgroup. And that's a measure of your download
rate.

It's sorta the same amount of overhead as Google Groups,
only you get to keep track of what messages you've already
read. And you have the headers to look at, if for example,
you're wondering whatever happened to user "X". Like, when
did they last appear on the news group.

Paul
Installing it now. If I have probs, will ask 4 help. Andy


Any free news servers?


http://news.aioe.org/

* 119 (Plain and TLS) --- default in Tbird on account setup
* 563 (SSL Only)
* 443 (SSL Only)
* 22 (SSL Only)
* 80 (Plain and TLS)

No username/password is required for that server. You do not
need to click "Always Request Authentication" in the server
characteristics for it. You do have to assign a pseudonym
as the sender of course "Andy "
by filling out the two appropriate boxes for it. But
neither of those fields is being used for
authentication (sending a password with it).

Your name: Andy
Email Address:
Outgoing Server: Use default Server (not used)

The server counter-balances that simplicity, with all sorts
of posting rules. You can read as many messages as you want.
You can only make 40 posts per day - and this assumes the
server knows how to count to 40. In the past, it would cut
your allocation in half, because it was none-to-good at
counting.

There is a limit on cross-posting.

There is a limit on line-length (consider setting the wrap limit in Tbird).
The length limit might be 135 characters or so.

There is a limit on quoted text - no "me too" posts are allowed.
Snip most of the source material, make a long enough reply, and
the post will be accepted.

The body of each post, has a hash calculated on it. It is used
to detect "identical" postings.

Now, some examples.

I want to reply to Paul, so I hit the Reply button.
I add some text, I click "Send". Oops! Naughty AIOE rejects
your message.

I then edit the message, to make the message conform to
the rule I violated. I click "Send" a second time. Oops!
The server complains the message was the same as the
previous time, and hence it is rejected.

In other words, even when a message is rejected, the hash (checksum)
of the body text is still stored on the server. You cannot make
two messages with identical bodies (not headers), as the server
will reject the second one, even if the first message was rejected
too. Any message body sent, is recorded as a checksum/hash.

But other than a very annoying rule set, it's free, and
it allows enough posting opportunities a day for light
usage.

I only hit my posting limit a couple of times, in the
years that I've used it. And that's how I figured out
the server didn't know how to count. It doesn't use
a sliding window algorithm, and instead uses a calendar
day to measure postings. A sliding window would work
out the postings in the last 24 hours, and the server
doesn't (normally) work that way.

Paul


Its asking for newsgroup server ?

Andy
  #36  
Old December 13th 17, 04:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
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Andy wrote:


Its asking for newsgroup server ?

Andy


Thunderbird supports news and email.

And it'll ask for what you want, when you start
it for the first time.

Thunderbird is mainly an email tool, and the
News function is included because it doesn't
need entirely separate code for everything.
It uses a Sent and a Draft folder, for example.
When the USENET news server settings in THunderbird
refer to SMTP, it doesn't actually use SMTP. Reading
and posting use the same server address for both
functions.

The AIOE site can host both an informational web server
on port 80, as well as a news server on port 119. So it's
possible to do both with the same hosting computer.

The AIOE operation is administered by an Italian guy,
using a COLO in Germany for hosting. German law
controls what happens to the server (influences the
TOS perhaps).

Paul
 




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