Microsoft end of support dates

Snit
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:57:12 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 7/24/20 12:13 AM, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:06:08 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

I *TRUST* Snit. :-D

Do you also trust FromTheRafters and Apd?

Even if you don't trust Carroll, FromTherRafters agreed with
something he wrote concerning Snit that may be of interest to
you:

Honest and good people can disagree -- another concept you fail to
understand.

I don't fail to understand that. But, this isn't an issue of any
disagreemets. It's an issue of you writing a bull**** story about me
and being unable to support it in any way shape or form. When you
asked for an explanation concerning what I wrote, that you lifted out
of context ever so carefully or so you thought to try and support
your unfounded accusations towards me.

I've asked you multiple times to provide MID(s) to the post(s) you
claimed called me out crickets I've asked you multiple times to
provide the MID(s) to the post(s) you claim were my being forced to
clarify that I actually had the bot in compiled form, as well
crickets again.

As one can see by following the links I've recently shared, everyone
agrees with me that you made an accusation towards me. And you
provided nothing in which to support it. You *lied*

You can claim you disagree with what we all wrote concerning your
question about what I meant with what I wrote all you want. It's
*highly unlikely* that four of us are in error and you are correct. I
know damn well what I meant, and obviously, so did everyone else in
that conversation; except for you.

When you were told what I meant by myself, Apd, Ftr, Carroll, and
some others I don't even know, you "disagreed" with everyone and
stuck to your bull**** story about me. Where the **** do you even get
off thinking you can tell me you know more about something I wrote
than I did? I wrote it, I know damn well what I meant by it. You,
clearly, did not!

It is amazing how often you demonstrate significant comprehension
deficits.

What's amazing is that you didn't even start trying to attack me like
this until I brought your obvious reading comprehension problems to
light. In other words, ****ant, you're projecting your shortcomings
and other problems onto me as a diversion tactic; You're still trying
to weasel your way out of that apology while being able to maintain
the totally bull**** claim that nobody can prove you're a liar; that
nobody provides proof of unfounded accusations you like to make
towards people. Well, I have:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:


-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.


--
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:52:46 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 08:13, Diesel wrote:
Well David? That's FOUR people, five if you include me who all
agree that snit accused me of something I didn't do, or have
anything to do with. Carroll went a step further, and, you don't
see Ftr or Apd disagreeing with him in the thread. Ftr lets you
know, on no uncertain terms his opinion of the matter. Apd has
also done so; I shared two! posts from him where he agrees, Snit
accused me of things I didn't do.

No misunderstanding on my part, three seperate and distinct lies
on snits part. And, despite Snits requests to have what I wrote
explained to him, IT ALREADY HAS BEEN, and Apd even references
that point. Snit continues to "DISAGREE" with all of us
concerning what I meant by what he cherry picked out of context
to try and support his accusation concerning my involvement with
the bot.

He's a liar, David, and he owes me an apology.

Let it go, Dustin.

Why should I do that, David? It's not like I asked him to go and
write such a story about me. At the time he went and did that, I had
him filtered. I actually had to not only release the filter, but
elect to reload articles to reset the already read marks; that's when
I noticed his first post making the claim. It's actually part of a
longer post where he thinks I was trying to troll him because of
something I wrote (which was truthful) about him to another person.

I didn't even know prior to doing all of that, that the post even
existed, or that it's been duplicated several times in different
replies from Snit that were directed to me, questioning, disagreeing,
whatever with something I wrote to someone that wasn't Snit.

It's not worth your time and energy.

I don't spend that much time on it. I'm only using a small amount of
free time, or when I'm taking a break from soldering to rest my
eyeballs. (I don't always solder under a scope) - or when I'm taking
a break to backup and punt when I'm troubleshooting an issue. See,
unlike Joel, I can't afford to be wiping and reloading over simple
issues like a failure to be able to burn, oh, say, an audio cd. I'm
paid to actually fix the issue without spending hours reloading
everything from scratch. fixing the issue properly also allows for
technote taking; describing the symptoms and the working fix -
whatever caused his issue has probably happened to others before so
the chances of me running into it aren't zero. So fix it once the
usual way, next time will be much faster because you have the
technotes you got from the first time around.

That is, if you actually are a *REAL* *PRO*, such as myself.

Snit is open and honest.

I've already proven that your statement is false. But, thanks for
trying!

You are not. shrug

I've also proven that statement is false, but again, I do thank you
for trying.

You've failed though.



--
Yorkshire man takes his cat to the vet.
Yorkshireman: "Ayup, lad, I need to talk to thee about me cat."
Vet: "Is it a tom?"
Yorkshireman: "Nay, I've browt it wi' us."

Snit
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:52:43 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 7/24/20 12:13 AM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:52:19
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

Again with your crossposting trolling and your failure to
understand what has been explained to you at least 14 times.

I didn't fail to understand anything.

Remember when you used to deny being arrogant and immature? But
here you are showing off how both are true, and doing so in one
short sentence. Quite a feat for you!

By writing the truth, and nothing more than that, I'm being arrogant
and immature? Why don't you just grow some balls about yourself, get
some bass in that girly voice of yours as a result, and apologize for
the lies you wrote about me? Then, we can move on. I'm sure you'll go
off half cocked again down the road and concoct another bull****
story to peddle. I'm looking forward to your creative writing skills
- that is, if you actually do have any.

Just what is so hard about fessing up to telling a porkie on me
anyway Snit? We're all adults here, it's not that big of a deal. Are
you worried that if you do admit you lied and apologize, your
detractors will use it against you in the future?

They're already using what you did against you, just like I am. It's
worse this way for you though, because everybody already knows you
not only lied, but that you've been trying to play a game of
diversion to draw attention away from what you wrote.

You'd take less damage by coming clean in the long run, Snit. Again,
your detractors can already use what's been posted between us against
you; it shows that you are a liar, and not the little white lie kind.
As it stands now though, they can also show that when caught, you'll
try anything to weasel around it. That's worse for you than just
being caught on record as an admitted liar. Atleast YOU opted to
admit it, and it wasn't necessary for others to prove you are, as you
waste time and energy denying the truth about you.

I know this isn't the first time someone you talked **** about called
you out for it. What annoys me though is how weak your diversion
efforts actually are. Is this seriously the best you've got? It's no
wonder you have a snitlist and fan pages like David Brooks.

People need to be warned about your kinds of people (that is, you and
David Brooks aka BoaterDave one of the worlds worst internet stalkers
and pests), for their own safety.



--
The real world is only a special case.

David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:02:16 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 08:13, Diesel wrote:
David_B
[....]
I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't think
either of them are actually behind it. I think it's most likely
one (but could be more) individual who knows them both (likely a
regular of cola or something they both know each other from) and
is taking advantage of their animosity towards each other for
free entertainment. Not only is the bot code itself lame as ****
all, the individual who's so proud of it obviously is such a
loser, his/her only chance of entertainment is usenet trolling.
And, it's not even that good, being as it's so easy to filter
out.

Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects of the
bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real way based on
some tests i've been doing. You didn't really think my replies to
yourself and Snit was only intended for you did ya? and, I'm not
spamming anywhere; thanks. Please learn to use the proper
terminology if you're going to accuse me of something. I've been
xposting for several reasons. One is part of an ongoing analysis
test and the other is to ensure the groups I'm familiar with all
get to know your new best friend, before he's able to cause much
of a ruckus there.


I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me. What is your
confidence in that? Or, is your confidence dependent on whether or
not he agrees with me, specifically? Do be honest, David. You never
know who might be reading this. G


--
Eschew obfuscation.

Snit
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:56:01 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 7/24/20 12:13 AM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:12:15
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 7/23/20 3:31 AM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:30:31
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

I've been very busy, otherwise I would have responded to your
latest bull**** sooner.

You claim to be very busy. Maybe that explains why you do
not take the time to even try to understand what you read.
But it does not explain how you find the time to focus on
your tantrum over any valuable content. Interesting
perspective on your priorities.

Board level diagnosis and repair isn't a ten minute thing,
usually. And, when soldering/desoldering/rework is necessary,
that's not a super quick process either, not if you want to do it
right the first time around. I've finally got the backlog done,
and I'm waiting on the last laptop to finish a long burn in run,
to ensure no lockup issues here before I return it to it's owner
and observe it in it's native environment later this morning. I
had to replace a diode and logic level mosfet on it's board as
well as the fan/heatsink cooling assembly.

Notice below your response shows NO understanding of what you
read. It is quite telling of your reading comprehension issues.

It's not below anymore, I put it back where it belongs. Your efforts
to cause confusion by screwing around with message flow hasn't gone
unnoticed, troll.

I responded to your wiseass remark about my claiming to be very busy
by telling you what I've been doing. Your response is completely out
of line, and totally bull**** to boot. You made a statement in a
snarky manner (there was no reason at all for you to even write that
"You claim to be very busy." - you were inferring that I was lying.
Don't you think you've been busted lying enough already, Snit?

I clarified, simple as that. Sorry if you didn't expect the response,
but, some of us actually do real work for our incomes. And, i'm one
of those people.


Perhaps some day I will teach you how to find posts by message ID.
Then you will be able to prove to yourself they do exist. But you
need to be a bit kinder to me for me to do that favor for you.

Umm. I've been sharing howardknight shortcut links for various people
to make it easier to lookup a post when I provide the MID. In the
event they don't know how to use their client, or howardknight.

I also know how to query servers directly using nothing more than a
telnet client; I don't have to use a GUI based one. or even a
'client' at all. So, enough with your bull**** offers to teach me,
Snit. You would be the student , make no mistake.

Snit, you give an all new meaning to the expression, digging yourself
a hole. I mean, you really go all in.


--
Any system that depends on reliability is unreliable.

On 24/07/2020 13:59, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:02:16 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 08:13, Diesel wrote:
David_B
[....]
I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't think
either of them are actually behind it. I think it's most likely
one (but could be more) individual who knows them both (likely a
regular of cola or something they both know each other from) and
is taking advantage of their animosity towards each other for
free entertainment. Not only is the bot code itself lame as ****
all, the individual who's so proud of it obviously is such a
loser, his/her only chance of entertainment is usenet trolling.
And, it's not even that good, being as it's so easy to filter
out.

Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects of the
bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real way based on
some tests i've been doing. You didn't really think my replies to
yourself and Snit was only intended for you did ya? and, I'm not
spamming anywhere; thanks. Please learn to use the proper
terminology if you're going to accuse me of something. I've been
xposting for several reasons. One is part of an ongoing analysis
test and the other is to ensure the groups I'm familiar with all
get to know your new best friend, before he's able to cause much
of a ruckus there.


I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me. What is your
confidence in that? Or, is your confidence dependent on whether or
not he agrees with me, specifically? Do be honest, David. You never
know who might be reading this. G

The truth is that, as far as I'm aware, Apd has always been truthful.

I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I would like
to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.

On 24/07/2020 13:59, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:52:46 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 08:13, Diesel wrote:
Well David? That's FOUR people, five if you include me who all
agree that snit accused me of something I didn't do, or have
anything to do with. Carroll went a step further, and, you don't
see Ftr or Apd disagreeing with him in the thread. Ftr lets you
know, on no uncertain terms his opinion of the matter. Apd has
also done so; I shared two! posts from him where he agrees, Snit
accused me of things I didn't do.

No misunderstanding on my part, three seperate and distinct lies
on snits part. And, despite Snits requests to have what I wrote
explained to him, IT ALREADY HAS BEEN, and Apd even references
that point. Snit continues to "DISAGREE" with all of us
concerning what I meant by what he cherry picked out of context
to try and support his accusation concerning my involvement with
the bot.

He's a liar, David, and he owes me an apology.

Let it go, Dustin.

Why should I do that, David? It's not like I asked him to go and
write such a story about me. At the time he went and did that, I had
him filtered. I actually had to not only release the filter, but
elect to reload articles to reset the already read marks; that's when
I noticed his first post making the claim. It's actually part of a
longer post where he thinks I was trying to troll him because of
something I wrote (which was truthful) about him to another person.

I didn't even know prior to doing all of that, that the post even
existed, or that it's been duplicated several times in different
replies from Snit that were directed to me, questioning, disagreeing,
whatever with something I wrote to someone that wasn't Snit.

Snit has been heaven-sent to help expose you for the bad deeds you have
done - and for which you are not truly sorry.

It's not worth your time and energy.

I don't spend that much time on it. I'm only using a small amount of
free time, or when I'm taking a break from soldering to rest my
eyeballs. (I don't always solder under a scope) - or when I'm taking
a break to backup and punt when I'm troubleshooting an issue. See,
unlike Joel, I can't afford to be wiping and reloading over simple
issues like a failure to be able to burn, oh, say, an audio cd. I'm
paid to actually fix the issue without spending hours reloading
everything from scratch. fixing the issue properly also allows for
technote taking; describing the symptoms and the working fix -
whatever caused his issue has probably happened to others before so
the chances of me running into it aren't zero. So fix it once the
usual way, next time will be much faster because you have the
technotes you got from the first time around.

That is, if you actually are a *REAL* *PRO*, such as myself.

A *REAL* *PRO* has a business address published on-line and, nowadays,
invariably has a website and Facebook page too.

Snit is open and honest.

I've already proven that your statement is false. But, thanks for
trying!

You are not. shrug

I've also proven that statement is false, but again, I do thank you
for trying.

You've failed though.

Nope. Everyone reading your words *KNOWS* that you operate in the
shadows and live in fear of repercussions for your past bad deeds.

David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:10:39 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 13:59, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:52:46
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

Why should I do that, David? It's not like I asked him to go and
write such a story about me. At the time he went and did that, I
had him filtered. I actually had to not only release the filter,
but elect to reload articles to reset the already read marks;
that's when I noticed his first post making the claim. It's
actually part of a longer post where he thinks I was trying to
troll him because of something I wrote (which was truthful) about
him to another person.

I didn't even know prior to doing all of that, that the post even
existed, or that it's been duplicated several times in different
replies from Snit that were directed to me, questioning,
disagreeing, whatever with something I wrote to someone that
wasn't Snit.

Snit has been heaven-sent to help expose you for the bad deeds you
have done - and for which you are not truly sorry.

Snit is a confirmed, and well known, liar David. And I can tell that
you've been hitting the bottle again, because your story has flip
flopped back around to me being a bad guy and you teaching me a
lesson. You are beyond pathetic, David.

A *REAL* *PRO* has a business address published on-line and,
nowadays, invariably has a website and Facebook page too.

I'm not about to give you anything to help you continue your stalking
and besmirching efforts against me, asshat. No professional would.
And besides, that would actually meet the definition of spamming, no
question about it. You and snit would do well to learn WTF the words
you use to accuse people actually mean. Snit needs to learn what
called out means, as well as clarified. And you both need to learn
what honesty means; and work your asses off to emulate the concept -
we all know it won't be an easy task for either of you. You've
pickled your brain with excessive alcohol consumption over time, and
Snit has spent too much time taking the lids off prescription bottles
- you've both done a considerable amount of lifelong damage to that
gray matter.


Nope. Everyone reading your words *KNOWS* that you operate in the
shadows and live in fear of repercussions for your past bad deeds.

Actually, heh, so far, everyone important is already on record
providing their opinion concerning Snit over some things he took the
time to write about me. He's not fooling anybody. Apd called him out,
Ftr has called him out, along with myself and Carroll.

And we all know that you'll turn a blind eye to anyone who gives
someone you don't like a hard time, for any reason. It's how you
roll. Yes, you're that impotent that you need to find new suckers
(fresh meat) to help your sliming campaigns against myself, clamxav
author, various site admins, and mvps. Yet, there's nothing wrong
with you, it's all us.

You and Snit have more in common with each other than either of you
are willing to admit. But your admission isn't necessary. Snit like
you has shown us all that they are an untrustworthy, liar. And that's
not likely to change anytime soon.


--
All good writing is swimming under water and holding your breath. --
F. Scott Fitzgerald

David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:54:36 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 13:59, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:02:16
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 08:13, Diesel wrote:
David_B
[....]
I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't
think either of them are actually behind it. I think it's most
likely one (but could be more) individual who knows them both
(likely a regular of cola or something they both know each
other from) and is taking advantage of their animosity towards
each other for free entertainment. Not only is the bot code
itself lame as **** all, the individual who's so proud of it
obviously is such a loser, his/her only chance of entertainment
is usenet trolling. And, it's not even that good, being as it's
so easy to filter out.

Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects of
the bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real way based
on some tests i've been doing. You didn't really think my
replies to yourself and Snit was only intended for you did ya?
and, I'm not spamming anywhere; thanks. Please learn to use the
proper terminology if you're going to accuse me of something.
I've been xposting for several reasons. One is part of an
ongoing analysis test and the other is to ensure the groups I'm
familiar with all get to know your new best friend, before he's
able to cause much of a ruckus there.


I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me. What is
your confidence in that? Or, is your confidence dependent on
whether or not he agrees with me, specifically? Do be honest,
David. You never know who might be reading this. G

The truth is that, as far as I'm aware, Apd has always been
truthful.

Good. I'm glad we have that established, and on the record. G

Now, as I told you, Apd along with Ftr have both stated that Snit
told a lie on me, and that he's been telling a series of them as he
continues to attack me. Since you've just admitted that Apd has
always been truthful with you, how do you explain his difference of
opinion concerning SNit vs yours?

On 6/11/20 5:19 PM, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 2:06:57 PM UTC-6, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
MID:
You quoted one line:
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".

What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

And I explained that I don't merely accuse. In large part,
I do what you just said to Snit in a previous post, I'll
confront his BS (unsupported) allegations. If you've been
reading, you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.

And here's some more, so that there's no possible 'confusion' with
what Apd has written, David:

"Snit" wrote:
On 6/11/20 5:19 PM, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
[...] you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.

Diesel is playing a very immature game. He insists he meant some
code
other than the code to Carroll's Usenet flood bot. OK. Maybe I
missed
the context -- but if so then what code did he mean. He never says.
That
shoots down his own argument.

He was speaking about code in general, not any particular piece of
software. He said as much.

[...] So if I ever directly said Diesel *WAS* helping Carroll I
rescind that.

You should perhaps reply to a post of his with that.

[...] We all make mistakes. I simply cannot see why it matters so
much to Diesel.

None of us like to be accused of doing what we are not.

I've got a lot more where that came from. Snit tried to dismiss it as
babbling previously; he clearly didn't bother to check any of the
post message contents. unless he was writing about his own posts and
rightfully calling them 'babbling"?

Snit did accuse me of something I didn't do - he lied about me,
David. There was no misunderstanding. It was a lie, told by snit
he

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:


-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.


The section of my reply that he lifted out of context was explained
by myself, Apd, Ftr, etc. Snit didn't like that and claimed to
'disagree' with all of us about what I meant with my own words. As
if, as ****ing if. There's no way we all misunderstood what I wrote,
David. And I'm not even sure at this point Snit actually did, either.

Your friend, much like you when caught lying about other posters,
dances around it, tries to play it off.

And since when is it an if accusation concerning working with or
otherwise helping carroll? Is his short term memory as ****ed up as
yours, David? He's accused me of helping carroll multiple times.


I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I would
like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.

Great, since you doubt nothing he's written, explain why you're
giving snit a free pass concerning their story they wrote about me.
An untrue, story at that, David. Go ahead, explain what your new
friend has been doing.


--
It would be nice if entropy could be used for something constructive.

On 29/07/2020 22:04, Gremlin wrote:

I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I would
like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.
Great, since you doubt nothing he's written, explain why you're
giving snit a free pass concerning their story they wrote about me.
An untrue, story at that, David. Go ahead, explain what your new
friend has been doing.

I've not really been following your discussion, Dustin. There was some
misunderstanding I gather. If Snit is the guilty party, just forgive him
and move on. You will feel MUCH better! :-D

Talk about something of interest? Did you mention elsewhere that you
have a replacement cat. How about showing all of us a photograph of it?

Snit
Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:32:43 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 7/29/20 2:04 PM, Gremlin wrote:
Snit
Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:48:06
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 7/24/20 2:07 PM, David_B wrote:
On 24/07/2020 21:02, Steve Carroll wrote:
On 2020-07-24, David_B wrote:
On 24/07/2020 13:59, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Fri, 24 Jul 2020
10:02:16 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 24/07/2020 08:13, Diesel wrote:
David_B
[....]
I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't
think either of them are actually behind it. I think it's
most likely one (but could be more) individual who knows
them both (likely a regular of cola or something they both
know each other from) and is taking advantage of their
animosity towards each other for free entertainment. Not
only is the bot code itself lame as **** all, the
individual who's so proud of it obviously is such a loser,
his/her only chance of entertainment is usenet trolling.
And, it's not even that good, being as it's so easy to
filter out.

Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects
of the bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real
way based on some tests i've been doing. You didn't really
think my replies to yourself and Snit was only intended
for you did ya? and, I'm not spamming anywhere; thanks.
Please learn to use the proper terminology if you're going
to accuse me of something. I've been xposting for several
reasons. One is part of an ongoing analysis test and the
other is to ensure the groups I'm familiar with all get to
know your new best friend, before he's able to cause much
of a ruckus there.


I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the
matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me. What
is your confidence in that? Or, is your confidence dependent
on whether or not he agrees with me, specifically? Do be
honest, David. You never know who might be reading this. G

The truth is that, as far as I'm aware, Apd has always been
truthful.

I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I
would like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life
him.

Being that you've neglected your lesson on function basics,
and being that Snit now seems to have 'manipulated' you into
being ashamed to even try to learn anything (that's some
'friend' you have there), I offer:

let mystery =
[72,111,119,32,99,97,110,32,65,112,100,32,107,110,1 11,119,32,11
6, 104,101,,32,116,114,117,116,104,32,104,101,114,101 ,63]


function mysterySolver(array) { return mystery.map(num =
String.fromCharCode(num)).join('') }

What's going on there?

I'll pass - and ask FromTheRafters.


I ran it and got "undefined".

But what it is doing is getting the ASCII character of each
code. Given how ASCII is a standard, notice how Carroll did not
have to specify what OS or machine... ASCII will be the same on
macOS, Linux, Windows, etc.

ASCII is one standard, and this is all besides the point.

It was pretty key to the point I was making, and perhaps the one
Carroll was.

What point were you making, other than to try and take a snide shot
at me (Diesel) snit?

But, of course, being that you almost surely ARE Carroll you can
speak for him.

Someone can't read headers for ****, nor can they comprehend the concept of a 'writing style'.

Message-ID:

Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Diesel
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop
Subject: Microsoft end of support dates
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:13:46 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 190
Message-ID:
References:
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And here's the one from the post you're responding to:

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Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Gremlin
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop
Subject: Microsoft end of support dates
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:04:28 -0000 (UTC)
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****

What do you suppose is the same about those two headers, Snit? What
do you suppose is inside those headers that pretty much is a dead
****ing give away that I, Gremlin, am also known as Diesel, as well
as Raid. Take your time, nearly illiterate adult; I know you skimmed
the post, because that's the best your reading level allows for. I
also know you have to do that because you lack the intelligence to
understand what you read in full context. And you demonstrated that
yet again with your accusation of my being Carroll and/or a sock of
Carrolls. You could have saved yourself the trouble and another
false accusation by reviewing the ****ing headers. Now, I have that
much more doubt of a poster being a carroll sock just because you
claim they are. You just confused me for being one! And this isn't
the first time you did it, either.

And, again being Carroll, you will try to speak FOR
me, and your posts will show your obsession with me. And you will
"magically" have knowledge of Carroll's accusations from the past,
but then whenever I quote Carroll you will pretend to not know a
thing about it and demand Message IDs and then twist just as
Carroll does.

I'm not Carroll, and outside of here, I don't know Carroll anymore
so than I know you. But, what I know about the both of you is that
you have websites dedicated to warning people about you, just like
David Brooks - and I'd say it's for the same reasons. I've not been
able to find sites dedicated to warning others about Carroll. Why
might that be?

And let's not even bother considering the fact you just accused me
(wrongfully!) of being Carroll himself, and/or a ****ing sock of
his.

It seems to me that anyone who posts something you don't like, or is
otherwise not a positive example of you, is a sock; by default. I'm
much more inclined at this point to believe you actually do have
that many people who despise you for the same reasons as I have
formed a strong dislike towards you. I bet it mostly revolves around
your consistent need to be a liar. A confirmed, liar, Snit.


All predictable. And all explained best by you being yet another
Carroll sock. You really do not understand how poorly you hide
your tells, Carroll -- but folks like Diesel will PRETEND to not
see to further their trolling, and you will use their insecurities
to manipulate them. Again, all very predictable.

I am Diesel!, you illiterate ****stain on the underwear of life.

Learn to read a header, illiterate gob****e. Seriously. Learn to
****ing read AND COMPREHEND what you are reading. It's not a
selective thing Snit, it's a life long skill and you don't have a
very good understanding of it.

See below for a string of your tells... you really just can't deal
with the fact I have you set on auto-read. You NEED my attention.
How pathetic.

A string of my tells? Dude, you went way above and beyond the call
of duty to show yourself as an ignoramous asshat who doesn't even
have the reading level of a 4th grader in American public schools,
in say, detroit. You don't have me set on auto-read you ignorant
****, we don't have matching addresses. And, we're not the same
person.

It's quite clear to most of us that you're the one here to play
games, Snit.

See: tell after tell after tell. I wonder who will pretend to not
see it? Diesel and Shadow, surely. Others might just have no
comment, not wanting to get involved... but do you think they
REALLY do not see it? Are people REALLY as stupid as you need them
to be, Carroll?

What in the **** are you going on about? Snit, dude, listen and listen close, you haven't succesfully snowed anybody here into believing you
aren't a lying, ****wit, of a troll.

On 6/11/20 5:19 PM, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 2:06:57 PM UTC-6, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
MID:
You quoted one line:
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".

What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

And I explained that I don't merely accuse. In large part,
I do what you just said to Snit in a previous post, I'll
confront his BS (unsupported) allegations. If you've been
reading, you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.

From: FromTheRafters
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop
Message-ID:

Steve Carroll - fretwizzer explained :
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:24:55 AM UTC-6, FromTheRafters wrote:
Steve Carroll - fretwizzer formulated on Monday :
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:21:14 AM UTC-6, Apd wrote:
"Snit" wrote:
Diesel wrote:
Snit wrote:
On 6/12/20 3:11 AM, Apd wrote:
He was speaking about code in general, not any particular piece
of software. He said as much.

I have agreed he may have changed topics away from Carroll's
Usenet flood bot. He does tend to wander a lot as he posts.

You *didn't* understand what Apd wrote, or, you did, and are trying
to twist it into something else entirely. Which is it?

It is my understanding he said you changed topics away from Carroll's
flood bot code to code in general. If he disagrees he can tell me.

No I didn't say he changed topics. The talk about code in general was
directly related to the topic of the bot code itself.

You *really* believe the BS he's slinging at you now?
That it was in general doesn't mean it didn't apply
to the code in the context of the discussion, Snit is
*fully* aware of that fact. He's playing you and I
think you know it.

For the record, I've know Diesel a long time and while we've had our
run-ins and disagreements,

Is that your issue here (same one you have with me)?

I believe him when he says he has no access
to the flood-bot code.

That misses the point, the question here is *why*
Snit points fingers like he does. Anyone reading
can see it's beyond the 'hard sell' stage. What
do you get by ignoring the obvious to this extent?
That's what I don't understand. You get to converse
with people who are 'nice' to you? That they are
pathologically lying pieces of sh*t is irrelevant?

Even if you'd not made the accusation

It's not *just* an accusation (in an endless stream
of them), it's unsupported and clearly made for a
purpose in a campaign to convince readers that 'Snit
is good, Diesel is bad'. There is *no* way you don't
know this, so WTF is the story here?

The story, as I see it, is that somebody is running a lame spoofer
flooder bot or whatever and others are arguing about whose it is. I
don't care, it is filtered out.

That story doesn't address the fact that Snit is doing
what we can all clearly see (even DB sees it, he's only
quiet about it because Snit 'supports' his BS). You haven't
noticed the lengths that Snit has gone to in order to keep
attention focused on the bot? Or his over the top, hard sell
that I run it? Or that he's the only person who has tried
to seek benefit from it?

I see it, but I skip most of the bot related posts because I am not
interested in such a lame program.

** end paste

See that Snit? can you comprehend what they are agreeing with that
was written about you by your detractor? They are agreeing that
Carroll was telling the truth about you, atleast in so far as your
need to lash out and attack. And, they've all noticed what you've
been doing towards me, too.

In case you're still confused, Snit, Carroll wrote some negative
things about what you've been doing here and specifically towards
me. Apd and FTR responded that they are *both* well aware of what
you're doing; neither of them disagreed with Carroll at any point
when he described your activities as he did in both of those posts I
shared here. So, if you're thinking that you snowed them and they
are seeing things from your ****ed up point of view; we can all
agree, that's not the case. They are aware of your continued efforts
to lie and weasel around acknowledging what you wrote or issuing an
apology for it. There's no doubt about it, we all agree on that,
snit.


--
Cats must sit in mom's pants/underwear when she is on the throne.

Snit
Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:11:27 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 7/27/20 5:52 PM, Pimiento Pete wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:04:24 +0000, Simon wrote:

David_B wrote in
:

On 27/07/2020 12:49, Simon wrote:
Steve Carroll:
-----
I've been booted off by past providers before because
people complain about me and all my bull****. I don't
want to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of
sock puppets so I continually search usenet for
whatever servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os....working.window
s /c/kbBnF7Aogf0

HTH :-D

Sorry. No bueno.
A post with a similar email address as Steve Carroll and written
in the third person doesn't constitute a form of legitimate
proof of snit's statements.
And why are you answering for snit? Can't snit answer directly?
Maybe you would like to try again?

Snit is behind the various permutations of
account. He has been planting "evidence" for years using various
similar to Steve Carrolls real account emails. He is also behind
the bot which posts as and despite snit
claiming it's posted under other email addresses he has yet to
provide any evidence of this which means it's just another lie he
can add to the 1000's he has posted over the years.

Snit is a sicko pathological liar.


THOSE have Carroll's tells... the other sock which people asked if
it was Carroll did not.

Actually, the post david cited is written like your posts, and the

Simon news:XnsAC074F94E2CE19999@
144.76.35.198 Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:49:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,
wrote:

Snit wrote in
:

I do not have the list, but this is a quote from him (though he
then lied and tried to attribute it to *me*, as being dishonest
is just what he does):

Steve Carroll:
-----
I've been booted off by past providers before because
people complain about me and all my bull****. I don't want
to lose my ISP *again* but I still need my army of sock
puppets so I continually search usenet for whatever
servers I haven't yet been booted from.
-----

MID ?




Don't expect to see one anytime soon. Snit's pulled this before.


--
To live in the hearts we leave behind, is not to die.

Simon
Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:38:57
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Pimiento Pete wrote in
:

On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:04:24 +0000, Simon wrote:

David_B wrote in
:

On 27/07/2020 12:49, Simon wrote:
Steve Carroll:
-----
I've been booted off by past providers before because
people complain about me and all my bull****. I don't
want to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of
sock puppets so I continually search usenet for
whatever servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os....tworking.windo
ws /c/kbBnF7Aogf0

HTH :-D

Sorry. No bueno.
A post with a similar email address as Steve Carroll and
written in the third person doesn't constitute a form of
legitimate proof of snit's statements.
And why are you answering for snit? Can't snit answer directly?
Maybe you would like to try again?

Snit is behind the various permutations of
account. He has been planting "evidence" for years using various
similar to Steve Carrolls real account emails. He is also
behind the bot which posts as and despite
snit claiming it's posted under other email addresses he has yet
to provide any evidence of this which means it's just another
lie he can add to the 1000's he has posted over the years.

Apparently snit has been playing this nym copying game for a long
time. It's quite obvious that snit is behind the spam messages
posted by some kiddie script he has cobbled together from code
fragments he found on the net.
Snit is not intelligent enough to design something from scratch,
even something as poorly implemented as his bot.

That appears to be the case, going by various interactions with him
here; some of which I've participated in under the nym Diesel.

All snit has to do is answer a few questions, provide an MID to
substantiate his claims and he would not only show honesty but
would also shut down the various people asking for him to prove
his claims.

Indeed. I have no problem admitting when/if I'm wrong about
something. I've asked for MIDs from him for various things he's
written, all to no avail. He won't even provide MIDs to backup the
lies he wrote about me he

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:


-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. The section he quotes that I wrote has nothing to do with
any specific bot, and he was told this, ad nausem when he first asked
me about it. He lifted it from a reply I wrote to him, questioning
how much he actually knew about programming - because he wrote some
erroneous statements on what one needed/didn't need to determine how
the algorithm works. The part of the reply he cherry picked was going
into more detail concerning that erroneous comment of his, and this
was explained when I wrote it. It was also explained *again* by Apd.

Snit opted to "disagree" with both of us concerning what I meant with
the words I used. If you examine the entire reply, in full context,
it becomes quite obvious to anyone who doesn't have a severe reading
comprehension issue that I was NOT writing about any specific piece
of code, that I did NOT change subjects, etc. As was explained to
him, by several other people.

When he's told something he doesn't like, he dismisses it as a
"disagreement". I know damn well what I meant by what I wrote, and so
does anyone who doesn't have a reading comprehension issue.

Snit is the only one who is still confused about what I wrote.

But he never will and the reason is because he can't prove what
never happened. Snit likes to re-write history and whether it's
due to the long term effects of the various drug cocktails he has
been poisoning his brain with for years or he really does believe
people are as stupid as he needs them to be and simply expects
people to take his word as truth.

That's exactly what he does, in a nutshell. His efforts to snow
various individuals here though, have failed.

On 6/11/20 5:19 PM, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 2:06:57 PM UTC-6, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
MID:
You quoted one line:
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".

What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

And I explained that I don't merely accuse. In large part,
I do what you just said to Snit in a previous post, I'll
confront his BS (unsupported) allegations. If you've been
reading, you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.

And I have more examples of his failure to con or otherwise snow
various individuals here. He's trying his best? to confuse things and
ride me, but it's not working as you can clearly see.

Based upon the various websites documenting snit's behavior, which
BTW show high in Google ratings,that ain't gonna happen.

Indeed. And the websites aren't quoting him out of context, or
otherwise fabricating stories about him either. MIDs are provided,
and from those, entire threads can be pulled for contextual review.
Snit really is as various people have gone to great lengths to
describe him as being.

Snit is a sicko pathological liar.

Indeed he is. Personally I don't know how he is able to live with
himself. He's obviously a pathetic old man who has watched life
pass him by because he spent all of that time trolling the
Internet.

Oh, to hear Snit tell it, he's spent time 'teaching people. You
believe that right?

If snit wasn't so dishonest and pathetic this would be hilarious
to watch but instead it is so very sad. By the time snit wakes up
and realizes he ****ed up his and his family's lives he will have
one foot in the grave. The guy is the very definition of pathetic
and seems to have no intention towards improving himself.
eyeroll

He'd much rather waste his time trying to convince others that he
knows a hell of a lot more than he actually does. His credibility
here is in ruins, as can be plainly seen by reading any number of
threads he's involved with here (acw).



--
Good ideas are not adopted automatically. They must be driven into
practice with courageous impatience. --Admiral Hyman G. Rickover

David_B
Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:39:57 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 28/07/2020 12:38, Simon wrote:

Simon may not understand that this item in his header identifies
exactly who he is:-

Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org;
posting-host="3418118481dc3a117aaef7ba839a91b4";
logging-data="31154";
";
posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+3rmDhaYos1fip6x9rBDXBslAPi/wdn54="

It is now a requirement under the law that Ray Banana report all
incidents of hate speech to law enforcement officers.

Where is the hate speech?

I'm more than willing to act as witness to the atrocious behavior
of some folk using the ES server.

David, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to knowingly file false reports..
And I wouldn't count on Ray banana accepting anything you tell them
at face value without checking things thoroughly first. What Simon
wrote can all be factually verified as being truthful. Here's an
example:

On 6/11/20 5:19 PM, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 2:06:57 PM UTC-6, Apd wrote:
"Steve Carroll - fretwizzer" wrote:
When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
MID:
You quoted one line:
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".

What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

And I explained that I don't merely accuse. In large part,
I do what you just said to Snit in a previous post, I'll
confront his BS (unsupported) allegations. If you've been
reading, you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.

Carroll as you can see described what Snits doing to Apd. Apd is
aware of it and acknowledged it. Would you like to see a post from
FTR doing the same thing? Your new friend has failed to snow the
others here, David. If anything, they've gone well out of their way
to show myself, Apd, FTR, etc, that what's been shared about them is
more than likely to be true vs not true. Nobody convinced us of
anything, Nobody aside from Snit has tried to run a con game here.

How do you explain this David?




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EXPANSION SLOTS: The extra holes in your belt buckle.