If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
Translation:
Keep playing our silly "you must continuously upgrade your OS" games. "Users should upgrade to Windows 7 or 8." And how exactly does a civillian get their hands on Windoze 7 at this point - WITHOUT BUYING A NEW PC? (if you can find one with win-7 that is) "The challenge here is that you'll never know, with any confidence, if the trusted computing base of the system can actually be trusted because attackers will be armed with public knowledge of zero-day exploits in Windows XP that could enable them to compromise the system and possibly run the code of their choice," What a load of horse-****. That's been the story of XP since it was forced (rushed) into home and soho computers starting in the fall of 2001. History shows that Milkro$oft could never garantee that XP was a safe and secure operating system. What makes it any different once it hits EOL? The truth is that XP will be orders of magnitude less vulnerable to remote intrusion and control on April 15/2014 than it was in January 2002. And another truth: Just like certain IE hot-fix files and patches from Win-2k/XP were usable on Win-98 well after 98 went EOL in July 2006, it's a given that users and enthusiasts of XP will be able to do the same by extracting files from security patches released for other versions of Windows (2003, Vista, etc). But the real kicker is this: After XP goes EOL, will Macro$haft release security bullentins from time to time giving the world details and information as to newly-discovered exploits and vulnerabilities for XP? Meekro$oft didn't do that when win-98 went EOL - because 9x/me had a ridiculously low level of known vulnerabilities to begin with and no new ones were ever discovered / reported after it went EOL. What has Milkro$oft done along these lines with Windows 2000? Does anyone maintain a list or has anyone reported on any unpatched vulnerabilities and exploits for Windows 2000 that were discovered after it went EOL on July 13, 2010? =========== Microsoft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days" http://www.scmagazine.com//microsoft...7/?utm_source= August 19, 2013 Microsoft is asking users who haven't already migrated to a newer operating system to do it now. Microsoft is intensifying its efforts asking users to scrap Windows XP, the 12-year-old operating system for which the software giant is ending support next April. Tim Rains, director of Microsoft Trustworthy Computing, authored a blog post last week reminding customers of the perils that could await them should they continue running XP, which debuted in 2001, once Redmond stops patching the platform. Users should upgrade to Windows 7 or 8. "There is a sense of urgency because after April 8/2014, Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) customers will no longer receive new security updates, non-security hotfixes, free or paid assisted support options or online technical content updates," Rains wrote. "This means that any new vulnerabilities discovered in Windows XP after its 'end of life' will not be addressed by new security updates from Microsoft." Rains said that when a vulnerability is patched in one of Microsoft's supported operating system versions, attackers typically reverse engineer the fix in hopes of creating an exploit that could target users who failed to apply the update. When Microsoft ends support for XP, it will be likely that such as vulnerability would affect even outdated Windows versions. And without any possibility for a patch, attackers will essentially have free reign on XP endpoints. "Since a security update will never become available for Windows XP to address these vulnerabilities, Windows XP will essentially have a 'zero day' vulnerability forever," Rains wrote. In addition, customers shouldn't rely on the hope that anti-exploit functionality will prevent a successful attack, he said. "The challenge here is that you'll never know, with any confidence, if the trusted computing base of the system can actually be trusted because attackers will be armed with public knowledge of zero-day exploits in Windows XP that could enable them to compromise the system and possibly run the code of their choice," Rains wrote. So what's holding up the migrations? According to a study conducted in April by VMware, 64 percent of enterprise-size companies still haven't migrated off XP. The same goes for 52 percent of midsize firms and 61 percent of SMBs. "Common challenges such as end-user downtime, data loss, migration failures and effort to upgrade remote employees can all be avoided if you plan ahead," wrote Sarah Semple, VMware's director of product marketing, in a blog post. In addition, cost is an impediment. Gartner has estimated that, based on a 10,000-PC environment, the expense of migration is between $1,205 and $1,999 per machine. |
Ads |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
In 98 Guy wrote:
And how exactly does a civillian get their hands on Windoze 7 at this point - WITHOUT BUYING A NEW PC? (if you can find one with win-7 that is) http://tinyurl.com/llb4yxe Ignore the offers of Windows 8; apparently the string "Windows 7" appears in them somewhere. -- St. Paul, MN |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:50:29 +0000 (UTC), Bert
wrote: In 98 Guy wrote: And how exactly does a civillian get their hands on Windoze 7 at this point - WITHOUT BUYING A NEW PC? (if you can find one with win-7 that is) http://tinyurl.com/llb4yxe Ignore the offers of Windows 8; apparently the string "Windows 7" appears in them somewhere. Try to access the url. Comodo Internet Security gives message: Warning: Unsafe Website Blocked! tinyurl.com This website has been blocked temporarily because of the following reason(s): Spyware, Mobile, Hacking, Operating System This site contains links to viruses or other software programs that can reveal personal information stored or typed on your computer to malicious persons. remove fred before emailing Registered Linux User 490858 |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
In scbs29
wrote: On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:50:29 +0000 (UTC), Bert wrote: In 98 Guy wrote: And how exactly does a civillian get their hands on Windoze 7 at this point - WITHOUT BUYING A NEW PC? (if you can find one with win-7 that is) http://tinyurl.com/llb4yxe Ignore the offers of Windows 8; apparently the string "Windows 7" appears in them somewhere. Try to access the url. Comodo Internet Security gives message: Warning: Unsafe Website Blocked! tinyurl.com Whatever software you're using to block your access to Web sites is pretty stupid. Here's the complete original URL: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1&PageSize=20 Or you can just go to newegg.com and find it yourself. -- St. Paul, MN |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
scbs29 wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:50:29 +0000 (UTC), Bert wrote: In 98 Guy wrote: And how exactly does a civillian get their hands on Windoze 7 at this point - WITHOUT BUYING A NEW PC? (if you can find one with win-7 that is) http://tinyurl.com/llb4yxe Ignore the offers of Windows 8; apparently the string "Windows 7" appears in them somewhere. Try to access the url. Comodo Internet Security gives message: Warning: Unsafe Website Blocked! tinyurl.com This website has been blocked temporarily because of the following reason(s): Spyware, Mobile, Hacking, Operating System This site contains links to viruses or other software programs that can reveal personal information stored or typed on your computer to malicious persons. remove fred before emailing Registered Linux User 490858 Something is wrong with your website security. That link is to newegg. It does not contain any bad stuff. It opens with no problems for me. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
scbs29 wrote:
Try to access the url. Comodo Internet Security gives message: Warning: Unsafe Website Blocked! tinyurl.com This website has been blocked temporarily because of the following reason(s): Spyware, Mobile, Hacking, Operating System This site contains links to viruses or other software programs that can reveal personal information stored or typed on your computer to malicious persons. remove fred before emailing Registered Linux User 490858 You are suffering from tiny penis syndrome. Have you thought of getting our penile extensions to get you back into shape? Young boys like big penises and we know you like young boys. No losers here!! -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets Since 1998 |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
In Paul in Houston TX
wrote: Something is wrong with your website security. That link is to newegg. It does not contain any bad stuff. It's blocking "tinyurl.com" which is like censoring the phone book because it has phone numbers of bad people in it. I'm surprised it lets him do searches on google.com; imagine the bad stuff it might lead him to. -- St. Paul, MN |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:28:51 -0400, 98 Guy wrote in
Re Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days": The truth is that XP will be orders of magnitude less vulnerable to remote intrusion and control on April 15/2014 than it was in January 2002. +1 on that. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:59:50 +0000 (UTC), Bert
wrote: In Paul in Houston TX wrote: Something is wrong with your website security. That link is to newegg. It does not contain any bad stuff. It's blocking "tinyurl.com" which is like censoring the phone book because it has phone numbers of bad people in it. I'm surprised it lets him do searches on google.com; imagine the bad stuff it might lead him to. thanks for the replies. I will take this up with Comodo. remove fred before emailing Registered Linux User 490858 |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:46:05 +0100, scbs29 wrote:
Try to access the url. Comodo Internet Security gives message: Warning: Unsafe Website Blocked! tinyurl.com This website has been blocked temporarily because of the following reason(s): Spyware, Mobile, Hacking, Operating System How can it detect a website as an OS? Why does it consider an OS as a threat? And what the heck is a mobile website? |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:28:51 AM UTC-5, 98 Guy wrote:
Translation: Keep playing our silly "you must continuously upgrade your OS" games. "Users should upgrade to Windows 7 or 8." And how exactly does a civillian get their hands on Windoze 7 at this point - WITHOUT BUYING A NEW PC? (if you can find one with win-7 that is) "The challenge here is that you'll never know, with any confidence, if the trusted computing base of the system can actually be trusted because attackers will be armed with public knowledge of zero-day exploits in Windows XP that could enable them to compromise the system and possibly run the code of their choice," What a load of horse-****. That's been the story of XP since it was forced (rushed) into home and soho computers starting in the fall of 2001. History shows that Milkro$oft could never garantee that XP was a safe and secure operating system. What makes it any different once it hits EOL? The truth is that XP will be orders of magnitude less vulnerable to remote intrusion and control on April 15/2014 than it was in January 2002. And another truth: Just like certain IE hot-fix files and patches from Win-2k/XP were usable on Win-98 well after 98 went EOL in July 2006, it's a given that users and enthusiasts of XP will be able to do the same by extracting files from security patches released for other versions of Windows (2003, Vista, etc). But the real kicker is this: After XP goes EOL, will Macro$haft release security bullentins from time to time giving the world details and information as to newly-discovered exploits and vulnerabilities for XP? Meekro$oft didn't do that when win-98 went EOL - because 9x/me had a ridiculously low level of known vulnerabilities to begin with and no new ones were ever discovered / reported after it went EOL. What has Milkro$oft done along these lines with Windows 2000? Does anyone maintain a list or has anyone reported on any unpatched vulnerabilities and exploits for Windows 2000 that were discovered after it went EOL on July 13, 2010? =========== Microsoft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days" http://www.scmagazine.com//microsoft...7/?utm_source= August 19, 2013 Microsoft is asking users who haven't already migrated to a newer operating system to do it now. Microsoft is intensifying its efforts asking users to scrap Windows XP, the 12-year-old operating system for which the software giant is ending support next April. Tim Rains, director of Microsoft Trustworthy Computing, authored a blog post last week reminding customers of the perils that could await them should they continue running XP, which debuted in 2001, once Redmond stops patching the platform. Users should upgrade to Windows 7 or 8. "There is a sense of urgency because after April 8/2014, Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) customers will no longer receive new security updates, non-security hotfixes, free or paid assisted support options or online technical content updates," Rains wrote. "This means that any new vulnerabilities discovered in Windows XP after its 'end of life' will not be addressed by new security updates from Microsoft." Rains said that when a vulnerability is patched in one of Microsoft's supported operating system versions, attackers typically reverse engineer the fix in hopes of creating an exploit that could target users who failed to apply the update. When Microsoft ends support for XP, it will be likely that such as vulnerability would affect even outdated Windows versions. And without any possibility for a patch, attackers will essentially have free reign on XP endpoints. "Since a security update will never become available for Windows XP to address these vulnerabilities, Windows XP will essentially have a 'zero day' vulnerability forever," Rains wrote. In addition, customers shouldn't rely on the hope that anti-exploit functionality will prevent a successful attack, he said. "The challenge here is that you'll never know, with any confidence, if the trusted computing base of the system can actually be trusted because attackers will be armed with public knowledge of zero-day exploits in Windows XP that could enable them to compromise the system and possibly run the code of their choice," Rains wrote. So what's holding up the migrations? According to a study conducted in April by VMware, 64 percent of enterprise-size companies still haven't migrated off XP. The same goes for 52 percent of midsize firms and 61 percent of SMBs. "Common challenges such as end-user downtime, data loss, migration failures and effort to upgrade remote employees can all be avoided if you plan ahead," wrote Sarah Semple, VMware's director of product marketing, in a blog post. In addition, cost is an impediment. Gartner has estimated that, based on a 10,000-PC environment, the expense of migration is between $1,205 and $1,999 per machine. I would recommend chilling out. I have XP and have no messages to upgrade. If you are that ticked off, go to Linux. http://happynews.com/ |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
While improperly and unnecessarily full-quoting, Andy wrote:
I would recommend chilling out. I have XP and have no messages to upgrade. If you are that ticked off, go to Linux. Did you have to double-space-full-quote my entire post - just to add 3 lines? I have XP and have no messages to upgrade. Messages? I run win-98 on my systems - the emperor's new clothes (the NT-line of Windows) didn't impress me from the start - I saw it for what it was. Time has proven me right. |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
On 25/08/2013 02:19, 98 Guy wrote:
While improperly and unnecessarily full-quoting, Andy wrote: I would recommend chilling out. I have XP and have no messages to upgrade. If you are that ticked off, go to Linux. Did you have to double-space-full-quote my entire post - just to add 3 lines? I have XP and have no messages to upgrade. Messages? I run win-98 on my systems - the emperor's new clothes (the NT-line of Windows) didn't impress me from the start - I saw it for what it was. Time has proven me right. You are also running Mozilla 4.79. This is old Netscape as far as I can remember. at least you could download Netscape 4.80 for your Windows 98 (or Windows 98SE) -- Good Guy Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk Website: http://html-css.co.uk Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
In message , Andy
writes: [] I would recommend chilling out. I have XP and have no messages to upgrade. So do I and nor have I. If you are that ticked off, go to Linux. Though don't expect that to be immune to malware just of itself. http://happynews.com/ -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Never be led astray onto the path of virtue. |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
Macro$haft: Upgrade from Windows XP or risk infinite "zero-days"
On 24 Aug 2013, 98 Guy wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: I run win-98 on my systems - the emperor's new clothes (the NT-line of Windows) didn't impress me from the start - I saw it for what it was. Time has proven me right. You're quite mistaken. NT and all that followed were a huge technological leap beyond Windows 98 in security and stability. It not just "the emperor's new clothes." Whether or not you were impressed is irrelevant. |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|