Libraries and Favorites

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:54:53 -0400, Paul wrote:

You use registry settings to make them "invisible"
in certain contexts.

However, if you removed them, you would cause "havok"
during a Service Pack, an OS Upgrade, maybe even a
Cumulative update. The people who write installers,
are quite inflexible about junction points or libraries.
They cannot deal with user customizations (either
constructive or destructive mods).

There are plenty of things that (technically) you
can do to your computer. But not all of them
are free of side-effects.

I think hiding them is a good alternative, in terms
of removing the clutter in the File Explorer window.
Once they're hidden, you won't know they are there. But
if garbage gets redirected to the folders by "well-meaning"
computer programs, a search will still be able to find
the folders for you. So you can then move the content
to a more appropriate place.

You probably didn't intend to, but you give the impression that Libraries
are a set of folders, and that if you hide the Libraries you will have
hidden the folders. They are not folders, in that sense. They simply point
to other folders. So you can hide your Libraries if you want to, but you
won't lose sight of any folders or files as a result. The folders that they
pointed to will be unaffected.

That happened to me earlier today. I was using VLC, to
view a movie from a Microsoft support help video. (You
know, the ones that are in Silverlight, when you don't
have Silverlight. That kind of movie.) I asked VLC to
take a snapshot of the current frame. VLC "auto-saved"
the image. And the status message from VLC disappeared
off the screen, before I could read it. The snapshot
was in some Photos directory. It didn't prompt me as
to where I might like to save it.

That has nothing to do with Libraries, unless you configured VLC to autosave
to a Library location, which really means you configured VLC to save to a
default save location, which in turn is an actual folder in your directory
tree. In summary, that wasn't a Library issue, but it's the kind of thing
that people might skim and say, "See? There's a guy with a Library issue!"
when in fact it wasn't at all.

--

Char Jackson

On 26.07.16 13:54, Paul wrote:
masonc wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 17:27:55 -0700, masonc
wrote:

I stipulate that my only problem with Favorites and Libraries is that
they confuse me. That said:

Can I get rid of them by deleting their folders:
Desktop, Downloads; Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos ?

(I've been warned against deleting their files lest the real files be
deleted really.)

Can I get rid of them by deleting their folders:
Desktop, Downloads; Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos ????

You use registry settings to make them "invisible"
in certain contexts.

However, if you removed them, you would cause "havok"
during a Service Pack, an OS Upgrade, maybe even a
Cumulative update. The people who write installers,
are quite inflexible about junction points or libraries.
They cannot deal with user customizations (either
constructive or destructive mods).

There are plenty of things that (technically) you
can do to your computer. But not all of them
are free of side-effects.

I think hiding them is a good alternative, in terms
of removing the clutter in the File Explorer window.
Once they're hidden, you won't know they are there. But
if garbage gets redirected to the folders by "well-meaning"
computer programs, a search will still be able to find
the folders for you. So you can then move the content
to a more appropriate place.

That happened to me earlier today. I was using VLC, to
view a movie from a Microsoft support help video. (You
know, the ones that are in Silverlight, when you don't
have Silverlight. That kind of movie.) I asked VLC to
take a snapshot of the current frame. VLC "auto-saved"
the image. And the status message from VLC disappeared
off the screen, before I could read it. The snapshot
was in some Photos directory. It didn't prompt me as
to where I might like to save it.

And regarding the help page with the stupid Silverlight
movie in it - I made an interesting discovery. The
same web page behaves differently, depending on what
OS you visit with. If you visit the site using WinXP,
the movie is offered in Silverlight (no choices). If
you visit the same web page in Win10, you get WMV
instead (which is actually usable). I couldn't believe
they wouldn't offer WMV to everyone who visits. Scumbags.
Help pages should be offered without coercive strings
attached, to make it appear the company actually wants
to help someone.

Someday, Microsoft will learn what HTML5 is. And the help
page movies will actually play in the browser right away.
Maybe by the year 2050 or so ? Could happen.

Paul

You mean that M$ will not **** up html5 when they start
using it?
Like they did with web pages when they "helped" people
produce websites with bags full of errors?

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 10:34 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:00:21 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2016-07-25 01:00, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:42:07 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:
[...]
However, depending on
what you want to do with them, such as grouping photos, you can make
Libraries work for you rather than against you.

I use them to aggregate two or more folders. No issues here.

Agreed, useful if that's what you want to do. Eg, outputs from different
image-processors.

Huh? No, I meant aggregating the contents of two or more folders so that I
can access all of the content as if it were in a single folder.

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?


I think I've been fortunate to find such utility where others have only
found frustration.

I can also
designate one of the aggregated folders as the default save folder. For me,
that's a much better way of relocating the system folders than actually
relocating the system folders. I suspect that 99.9% of Windows users don't
know about that, but it's pretty cool. I've never seen anyone else mention
it.

They don't know they can save to the aggregated folder, or move
personal/system folders? Either way, I don't think most know that either.

There have been multiple discussions about relocating certain folders, but
to my knowledge no one has mentioned using Libraries to do it, which is a
much better way, IMHO.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 10:34 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:00:21 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2016-07-25 01:00, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:42:07 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:
[...]
However, depending on
what you want to do with them, such as grouping photos, you can make
Libraries work for you rather than against you.

I use them to aggregate two or more folders. No issues here.

Agreed, useful if that's what you want to do. Eg, outputs from different
image-processors.

Huh? No, I meant aggregating the contents of two or more folders so that I
can access all of the content as if it were in a single folder.

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

--

Char Jackson

On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 10:34 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:00:21 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2016-07-25 01:00, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:42:07 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:
[...]
However, depending on
what you want to do with them, such as grouping photos, you can make
Libraries work for you rather than against you.

I use them to aggregate two or more folders. No issues here.

Agreed, useful if that's what you want to do. Eg, outputs from different
image-processors.

Huh? No, I meant aggregating the contents of two or more folders so that I
can access all of the content as if it were in a single folder.

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places, events,
holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag all those
photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group regardless of what
folder they were in. It's not an ideal situation because I'm effectively
locked in to PE, but it works for me.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:44:51 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when
we get back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive
folder name and date. Personally, I almost never go back and look
at them. I've probably been in the photo archive twice in 15
years.

So why bother to take them? Save yourself the trouble and cost of a
camera.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:57:01 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places,
events, holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag
all those photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group
regardless of what folder they were in. It's not an ideal
situation because I'm effectively locked in to PE, but it works
for me.

The Windows Photo Gallery program does much the same, with face
recognition built in.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:56:08 +0100, mechanic wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:44:51 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when
we get back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive
folder name and date. Personally, I almost never go back and look
at them. I've probably been in the photo archive twice in 15
years.

So why bother to take them? Save yourself the trouble and cost of a
camera.

Other people look in there, but I don't. The others have never mentioned
wanting to be able to do what this scenario is about.

--

Char Jackson

On 7/27/16 10:57 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places, events,
holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag all those
photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group regardless of what
folder they were in. It's not an ideal situation because I'm effectively
locked in to PE, but it works for me.

If you take the time to use Libraries to do it, you don't need to be
running a program to access the pictures grouped as you wish.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 10:57 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places, events,
holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag all those
photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group regardless of what
folder they were in. It's not an ideal situation because I'm effectively
locked in to PE, but it works for me.

If you take the time to use Libraries to do it, you don't need to be
running a program to access the pictures grouped as you wish.

I think you've misunderstood - there's no way libraries as I understand
them would help. I'd be delighted if they could. Never mind.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 7/28/16 3:20 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 10:57 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places, events,
holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag all those
photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group regardless of what
folder they were in. It's not an ideal situation because I'm effectively
locked in to PE, but it works for me.

If you take the time to use Libraries to do it, you don't need to be
running a program to access the pictures grouped as you wish.

I think you've misunderstood - there's no way libraries as I understand
them would help. I'd be delighted if they could. Never mind.

Possibly. So here was my plan, and I think it matches what you were saying.

I have a bunch of old historical photos which contain various buildings
and equipment relating to railroads. Sometimes there's an engine, or a
depot, both, or neither, in different towns, different railroads. They
are in different folders that are sorted by railroad. So on and so forth.

I would like to group all photos with depots together. And engines
together. But some photos do not contain both. And any one railroad
folder contains photos that have neither depot or engine.

Using Libraries, I can group all photos that contain depots together,
engines together, Even though not all photos have both, or all photos in
a particular folder have either subject.

When done, I have a library of engines, selected from different folders,
but not every photo from each folder. One for depots. One for narrow
gauge. One for standard gauge. One for trestles. Etc. And all of the
photos are scattered through different folders.

And it's all done with the OS, no additional software needed.

Is that what you do with PE?

It does take a bit of extra work, but not too bad. And by using
Libraries in W7 and later, makes them more accessible in the navigation
pane.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/28/16 3:20 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 10:57 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places, events,
holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag all those
photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group regardless of what
folder they were in. It's not an ideal situation because I'm effectively
locked in to PE, but it works for me.

If you take the time to use Libraries to do it, you don't need to be
running a program to access the pictures grouped as you wish.

I think you've misunderstood - there's no way libraries as I understand
them would help. I'd be delighted if they could. Never mind.

Possibly. So here was my plan, and I think it matches what you were saying.

I have a bunch of old historical photos which contain various buildings
and equipment relating to railroads. Sometimes there's an engine, or a
depot, both, or neither, in different towns, different railroads. They
are in different folders that are sorted by railroad. So on and so forth.

I would like to group all photos with depots together. And engines
together. But some photos do not contain both. And any one railroad
folder contains photos that have neither depot or engine.

Using Libraries, I can group all photos that contain depots together,
engines together, Even though not all photos have both, or all photos in
a particular folder have either subject.

I've possibly misunderstood libraries because I don't know how you'd do
that. I thought libraries grouped folders, not files. It's not helped by
the fact that I don't know whether you're grouping photos that have
*any* depot, or one particular depot.

When done, I have a library of engines, selected from different folders,
but not every photo from each folder.

"not every photo from each folder" - that's the bit I don't understand
how you do - more detail?

One for depots. One for narrow
gauge. One for standard gauge. One for trestles. Etc. And all of the
photos are scattered through different folders.

And it's all done with the OS, no additional software needed.

Is that what you do with PE?

Could be. With PE I'd tag a photo with a particular depot name. I could
view photos with any depot, or any combination of depots, or no depot,
using check boxes. Regardless of the folder they're stored in.

It does take a bit of extra work, but not too bad. And by using
Libraries in W7 and later, makes them more accessible in the navigation
pane.

Sounds good. I wonder how practical it would be with the numbers I have
in my collection: ~ 10,000 photos; 97 people tags; 20 place tags; 84
holiday tags; 19 other event tags.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 7/28/16 10:08 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/28/16 3:20 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 10:57 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places, events,
holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag all those
photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group regardless of what
folder they were in. It's not an ideal situation because I'm effectively
locked in to PE, but it works for me.

If you take the time to use Libraries to do it, you don't need to be
running a program to access the pictures grouped as you wish.

I think you've misunderstood - there's no way libraries as I understand
them would help. I'd be delighted if they could. Never mind.

Possibly. So here was my plan, and I think it matches what you were saying.

I have a bunch of old historical photos which contain various buildings
and equipment relating to railroads. Sometimes there's an engine, or a
depot, both, or neither, in different towns, different railroads. They
are in different folders that are sorted by railroad. So on and so forth.

I would like to group all photos with depots together. And engines
together. But some photos do not contain both. And any one railroad
folder contains photos that have neither depot or engine.

Using Libraries, I can group all photos that contain depots together,
engines together, Even though not all photos have both, or all photos in
a particular folder have either subject.

I've possibly misunderstood libraries because I don't know how you'd do
that. I thought libraries grouped folders, not files. It's not helped by
the fact that I don't know whether you're grouping photos that have
*any* depot, or one particular depot.

You're correct, Libraries group folders, not files. And it's immaterial
if I'm grouping any depot or a particular depot.

The question becomes, which folder(s) are you grouping.

When done, I have a library of engines, selected from different folders,
but not every photo from each folder.

"not every photo from each folder" - that's the bit I don't understand
how you do - more detail?

For example, the folder for railroad A has 12 photos, and 4 of them
include a depot. Not necessarily the same depot. Railroad B's folder
has 19 photos, but only 2 depots. Railroad C's folder has 9 photos, all
depots.

When done, I have a depot library with 15 depots from 3 railroads, if I
just did my addition correctly! LOL

One for depots. One for narrow
gauge. One for standard gauge. One for trestles. Etc. And all of the
photos are scattered through different folders.

And it's all done with the OS, no additional software needed.

Is that what you do with PE?

Could be. With PE I'd tag a photo with a particular depot name. I could
view photos with any depot, or any combination of depots, or no depot,
using check boxes. Regardless of the folder they're stored in.

I've never used PE, using your tags, you can view ALL depots too?

It does take a bit of extra work, but not too bad. And by using
Libraries in W7 and later, makes them more accessible in the navigation
pane.

Sounds good. I wonder how practical it would be with the numbers I have
in my collection: ~ 10,000 photos; 97 people tags; 20 place tags; 84
holiday tags; 19 other event tags.

With that many photos, my method may not be the practical one. Rather
like digging a hole, if it's small, a shovel will do. If it's large,
then a backhoe.

But I may want to view that group of depots using my Mac, when the depot
photos are on one of my Windows machines. Most of my systems are
networked, and using my method I can view the depots using the Mac while
if those photos are in PE, I'd have to go to the Windows machine to do
it, or use still another program, like a remote desktop, to view them on
the Mac.



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Ken
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Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:30:57 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/28/16 10:08 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/28/16 3:20 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 10:57 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/27/16 11:44 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/25/16 11:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:01 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Char, how do you handle a situation where you only want some of the
files from given folders aggregated? IOW, you have two folders with 10
files in each folder. But, you only want 5 of the files in each folder
aggregated?

In all these years I've never had a need to do that. Obviously, folder
aggregation isn't the same as partial folder aggregation, so you'd probably
need a different solution for that. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it,
but I imagine that some would use (soft?) links, and there may be other
solutions, as well.

So... You never had a scenario like this...

You have a bunch of folders with photos of family outings, gatherings,
reunions, over the years. And in each folder, there's a few of them
that include Sally and others.

You've never wanted to have a folder that aggregated all of the photos
that have Sally, in one place? Showing how she's changed over the years?

We take lots of digital photos when we're out and about, and when we get
back I dump them into a new folder with a descriptive folder name and date.
Personally, I almost never go back and look at them. I've probably been in
the photo archive twice in 15 years.

That was a long-winded way of saying no. :-)

ROFL!!

I had a history research project in mind where I would have had just
that situation. But, the project never got off the ground.

I handle that situation and many others like it (people, places, events,
holidays) using Adobe Photoshop Elements' "tags". I'd tag all those
photos "Sally" and PE would display them as a group regardless of what
folder they were in. It's not an ideal situation because I'm effectively
locked in to PE, but it works for me.

If you take the time to use Libraries to do it, you don't need to be
running a program to access the pictures grouped as you wish.

I think you've misunderstood - there's no way libraries as I understand
them would help. I'd be delighted if they could. Never mind.

Possibly. So here was my plan, and I think it matches what you were saying.

I have a bunch of old historical photos which contain various buildings
and equipment relating to railroads. Sometimes there's an engine, or a
depot, both, or neither, in different towns, different railroads. They
are in different folders that are sorted by railroad. So on and so forth.

I would like to group all photos with depots together. And engines
together. But some photos do not contain both. And any one railroad
folder contains photos that have neither depot or engine.

Using Libraries, I can group all photos that contain depots together,
engines together, Even though not all photos have both, or all photos in
a particular folder have either subject.

I've possibly misunderstood libraries because I don't know how you'd do
that. I thought libraries grouped folders, not files. It's not helped by
the fact that I don't know whether you're grouping photos that have
*any* depot, or one particular depot.

You're correct, Libraries group folders, not files. And it's immaterial
if I'm grouping any depot or a particular depot.

The question becomes, which folder(s) are you grouping.

When done, I have a library of engines, selected from different folders,
but not every photo from each folder.

"not every photo from each folder" - that's the bit I don't understand
how you do - more detail?

For example, the folder for railroad A has 12 photos, and 4 of them
include a depot. Not necessarily the same depot. Railroad B's folder
has 19 photos, but only 2 depots. Railroad C's folder has 9 photos, all
depots.

When done, I have a depot library with 15 depots from 3 railroads, if I
just did my addition correctly! LOL

I think you forgot to connect the dots. Mike was asking how you take a group
of 3 folders that contain a total of 40 photos, of which 15 are depots, and
make only the depots visible in a Library.

IIRC, you create another folder and place photo shortcuts into it?

--

Char Jackson