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  #31  
Old February 12th 19, 07:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 01:25:49 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:


I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP,
because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect
here for a landline.


$55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering.

As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a
VoIP adapter).


usually, voip-voip calls are free, while calls to/from ptsn are not.


GV calls within the US and Canada are free, but limited to 3 hours.
International calls start at $0.01 per minute, depending on the called
country. The called number can be PSTN, or not. It's still free.

Google Voice is still free and works pretty well,
although individual calls are limited to 3 hours.


it's not voip, although there are ways to use it as such.


I use it with an Obihai ATA and it looks like VoIP to me. I vaguely
recall that it might have been SIP back when it was launched, but that's
~10 years ago so I don't remember for sure.


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  #32  
Old February 12th 19, 08:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/11/19 7:30 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 2/11/19 6:11 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote:
Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop.

Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows.
I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it.

What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5%
of the application base as Windows, if that.

I have always felt if Linux had games equal to Windows would do it.


There is always Wine, but it is not for the faint of heart.


So WINE ("Wine Is Not an Emulator") spits out a few warnings.

What's not to like ?

Since the executables don't have access to the
physical layer on disk drives, commercial software
attempting to write license patterns in places they
shouldn't, are blocked.

It's the same for Bash shell in Windows 10. It's
denied the usage of /dev, which limits things
you can do with it. That's the price you pay for
compatibility layers. They have to be made a tiny
bit hack-resistant.

WINE access ~/.wine/Drive_C/ or similar, and your
C drive is underneath that point. There is a mechanism
to fake a registry. There is a copy of Notepad and
possibly Regedit for your amusement.

Bash shell accesses your C drive as /mnt/c and
your Windows home would be /mnt/c/users/username.
Attempts from Win10 Bash shell, to access /dev/sda
will fail.

¬*¬* Paul



I use it on a daily basis. Only about 1/2 of the Windows programs
will run. And of those only about 1 in 5 run completely normally.

  #33  
Old February 12th 19, 08:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

pjp wrote in
:

In article ,
lid
says...

On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

[snip]

In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern
desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start
charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020,
if they want to keep their computers safe.

This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS.

[snip[

When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to
eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what
Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment
everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased.
It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best
for their customers or not.

Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another
dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death.

Sorry but FUC*K THAT.

I don't usually comment on the validity of a post, but what we have here
is an example of a response being fired off after mis/not reading the
original post and not doing any kind of research on the validity of the
content. As [email protected], stated, the proposed charge is if a user still
running Windows 7 wants to continue to receive security updates, they
will have to pay for it, since Windows 7 is about five versions back or
so, if one counts the semiannual updates of Windows 10 as new versions.
If Microsoft really tried to bill for the continued use of Windows 7
intself it would be violating its own Terms of Use, and would more than
likely face a raft of lawsuits from corporate users still using the
platform. Microsoft has fully depreciated the capital cost of Windows 7
and its term of support, and has no legal basis to start charging a user
fee for continued use. But it would be interesting to see them try it.


And my response is still that it's MS's long term "plan" to charge to
use and never "own" anything.


You don't own software. You buy a licence that allows you to use it.

Win7 and security updates is just the
first of many to come.

And my take is "the product clearly had defects when it was "sold" to me
otherwise there'd be no need for fixes" therefore they are obligated to
fix any and all problems for "eternity". If not then they should be
legally obligated to release the source code to public domain so others
can instead.


Good luck getting that heard.



  #34  
Old February 12th 19, 08:58 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On 2/11/19 10:19 PM, Mike wrote:
On 2/11/2019 5:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote:
Linux¬*has¬*not¬*offered¬*a¬*viable¬*alternative¬* for¬*the¬*desktop.


Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows.
I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it.

What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5%
of the application base as Windows, if that.

Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph.

Linux is a perfect solution for a closed/limited appliance like your shop.

The missing 95% turns off people with general purpose systems.
Most people are not looking for a hobby fixing linux issues.
They want to get right on to posting pictures of their cat.
It takes only one missing piece to sour the deal.

Linux users are quick to denigrate people with expectations
different from their own.¬* Linux would have far better market
penetration if they'd catered to general users starting 20 years ago.


It is a lot closer now than you think. Those folks I
moved to Linux can't even tell the difference. They
are back to checking out the Cute Cat (no such thing, but
I digress) videos on You Tube in an instance.

And if get about 100 times more call on fixing system issues with
Windows than I do with Linux and Apple. Once I set up Windows and
Apple, there is hardly anything for me to do, except the occasional
training. It is a world of difference.

  #35  
Old February 12th 19, 10:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP,
because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect
here for a landline.

$55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering.

As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a
VoIP adapter).


usually, voip-voip calls are free, while calls to/from ptsn are not.


GV calls within the US and Canada are free, but limited to 3 hours.
International calls start at $0.01 per minute, depending on the called
country. The called number can be PSTN, or not. It's still free.


google voice is not really a voip provider and only recently offered
voip support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Voice#VoIP_services
Google Voice permits Voice Over IP (VoIP) as a beta from both the web
and Android clients. It formerly supported XMPP signaling but no
longer does. However, it has been reported that at one time some
users could receive calls with their Google Voice accounts via the
Session Initiation Protocol (SIP).

Google Voice is still free and works pretty well,
although individual calls are limited to 3 hours.


it's not voip, although there are ways to use it as such.


I use it with an Obihai ATA and it looks like VoIP to me. I vaguely
recall that it might have been SIP back when it was launched, but that's
~10 years ago so I don't remember for sure.


obihai is one of the ways to use gv as a 'normal phone', originally via
xmpp, which is no longer supported. i'm not sure what it uses now.
  #36  
Old February 12th 19, 10:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:13:24 -0400, pjp
wrote:

In article , lid says...

On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

[snip]

In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern
desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging
Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want
to keep their computers safe.


This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS.

[snip[


When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to
eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill
Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment
everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased.
It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best
for their customers or not.

Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another
dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death.

Sorry but FUC*K THAT.


It's worth noting the charge is only if people want to get
updates, not to use Windows 7. If one wants to take the risk, they can
continue to use 7 without having to pay anything.
If they should ever try charging, for any OS, as you suggest, I
expect a mass migration to iOS or Linux. I know from personal
experience that the Mint distro of Linux has a look and feel like
Windows, so there won't be much of a learning curve.

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  #37  
Old February 12th 19, 10:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:15:47 -0800, Mike wrote:

On 2/11/2019 3:13 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

[snip]

In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern
desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging
Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want
to keep their computers safe.

This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS.

[snip[


When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to
eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill
Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment
everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased.
It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best
for their customers or not.

Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another
dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death.

Sorry but FUC*K THAT.

It's inevitable.
The cellphone model already does that.
Want data? No problem. Fork over $40 a line for
4 lines and get lotsa data, whether you use it or not.


I pay $40/month for unlimited data and text. But at a cost of
only 100 minutes a month. And they don't roll over. For me, this has
not been an issue.
Oh, after a set amount of data, it goes from 4G LTE to 3G. But
there is no additional cost for me. I've yet to reach the limit, so
this is also not an issue for me.

Somebody has to pay for that Superbowl commercial.

Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop.


I disagree. Mint looks and feels a lot like Windows. And it has
more than enough programs available that it could easily take away
MS's status if not for so many machines being pre-installed with
Windows.
Another computer option, though maybe just for Google fan boys
like me, is the ChromeOS. No, it's not the same as more common
Operating Systems, but it's pretty good, IMO. You just have to be
comfortable with Google knowing *everything* you do when using it.

Android has the phone market.


That I agree with completely. Apple is holding it's own, but
Android has the lion's share of the market.

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  #38  
Old February 12th 19, 11:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On 12/02/2019 05.29, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


That brings up a great experience I just had (not).

1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly
printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this
office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell
phones.

2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after
those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I
was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven
banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from
home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different
dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone
with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she
tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear.

3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to
pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather
blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me
to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they
moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my
shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into
me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item.

And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped
in with all these Idiots?


just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't
mean everyone is.


There are thousands of people using phones normally, perfectly aware of
their surroundings. Obviously, we only notice the exceptions.

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  #39  
Old February 12th 19, 02:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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"pjp" wrote

| When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to
| eventually charge for everytime you use their software.

That's certainly their hope. They're not making any secret
of it. And now it's in line with a lot of other companies. As long
as people accept Adobe's forced rental or go for Office 365,
the rollout will continue, because it's more profitable. But it's
not only that. These companies know their products are mature.
They can't get people to buy updates every year based on a
handful of minor featurers they may not need. With rental they
can charge for bug fixes and actual features are just "frosting".

Why is Adobe making big profits from rental? Because it's
the only option and with the buying model people used to
upgrade every other version, at most. The rental is usually
slightly cheaper (so that they can make a misleading claim
without illegally lying) than buying every full version, but of
course most people didn't do that.

But I think people are misreading the blog, if they've read it
at all.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/micr...odern-desktop/

1) Microsoft are begging corporate to move to Win10. Many
are sticking with Win7. Their frequent use of equating "modern"
with Win10 is just one symptom of their shrill desperation.
The blog is actually about goodies they're offering for moving
to Win10.

* They'll take on some tasks of IT depts (their direct
customers) by managing software auditing, tracking and
compatibility issues that IT would normally handle.

* They also claim they'll provide help for any case where
older software doesn't work on Win10.

* Third, they'll support particular Win10 versions longer.

This is not a stick up. It's a cry of desperation masquerading
as generosity. They're saying, "Look, IT people, if you'll only
sign off on this we can practically guarantee your workload
will decrease. That's why cloud is so great. We manage it on
our end..... You say you want us to also wax your car
once a week?... Let's talk."

As for Win7, that only applies to corporate licensing. It's
always been that way. MS are still making patches for XP
and a corporate licensee can still get them if they're willing
to pay through the nose. But MS refuses to let the public get
those patches. It's simply spiteful greed. They want to force
you to buy new product.

"Windows 7 ESUs will be available to all Windows 7 Professional and Windows
7 Enterprise customers in Volume Licensing."

In other words, if you're corporate you have an option
to pay for updates. With a personal ofr SOHo machine you
can't even pay them for the chance to pay them.

You can still get at least some XP updates if you add
the Registry value that says your machine is a kiosk
system. (Like an ATM.) Probably Win7 will be similar.
Though I'm not sure any ATMs have updated to Win7.

The real problem here is that people read and post to
nonsense from likes of Man-wai Chang or Good Guy.


  #40  
Old February 12th 19, 03:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to
| eventually charge for everytime you use their software.

That's certainly their hope. They're not making any secret
of it. And now it's in line with a lot of other companies. As long
as people accept Adobe's forced rental or go for Office 365,


adobe isn't forcing anything, nor is anyone else. people are free to
choose 'non-rental' options, including from adobe as well as others.

the rollout will continue, because it's more profitable.


imagine that, companies doing things that are profitable.
  #41  
Old February 12th 19, 04:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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In article , Wolf K
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And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped
in with all these Idiots?


just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't
mean everyone is.


True, not everyone, but it's not "a few." Rene is right: smartphones
make too many people stupid.


they did no such thing. those people were stupid before smartphones.
  #42  
Old February 12th 19, 04:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On 02/11/2019 10:45 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

That brings up a great experience I just had (not).

1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly
printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this
office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell
phones.

2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after
those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I
was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven
banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from
home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different
dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone
with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she
tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear.

3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to
pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather
blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me
to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they
moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my
shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into
me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item.

And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped
in with all these Idiots?

just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't
mean everyone is.


Didn't say "all"

8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few


out of 2 billion who use smartphones, no, and you can't extrapolate
from just one day either. how many days did nothing happen? how many
people were using phones and you didn't even notice?


This was in one day in 3 places, you can multiply that by millions and
see what you get, and nearly every time I go grocery shopping I see the
same thing, not just once.

Another example, A month or so ago I went to the downtown staples for
printer supplies, on coming out I have to cross a busy 6 lane street, As
I am waiting for the red light to turn green a woman texting on her
phone starts walking across the street against the red light and very
nearly got hit by a car who had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting her.

On the same day waiting for my bus another young lady texting and
walking, walks right into a lamp standard!

Need I say more?

Rene

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Old February 12th 19, 04:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't
mean everyone is.


Didn't say "all"

8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few


out of 2 billion who use smartphones, no, and you can't extrapolate
from just one day either. how many days did nothing happen? how many
people were using phones and you didn't even notice?


This was in one day in 3 places, you can multiply that by millions and
see what you get, and nearly every time I go grocery shopping I see the
same thing, not just once.


what you don't see are the people who *aren't* oblivious to their
surroundings.

Another example, A month or so ago I went to the downtown staples for
printer supplies, on coming out I have to cross a busy 6 lane street, As
I am waiting for the red light to turn green a woman texting on her
phone starts walking across the street against the red light and very
nearly got hit by a car who had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting her.


pedestrians have the right of way. if said driver had to 'slam on his
brakes' to avoid a collision, then it's the driver who is at fault for
not paying attention.

On the same day waiting for my bus another young lady texting and
walking, walks right into a lamp standard!


people did that before phones, often while drunk, but not always.

Need I say more?


no
  #44  
Old February 12th 19, 04:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On 02/12/2019 9:36 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't
mean everyone is.


Didn't say "all"

8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few

out of 2 billion who use smartphones, no, and you can't extrapolate
from just one day either. how many days did nothing happen? how many
people were using phones and you didn't even notice?


This was in one day in 3 places, you can multiply that by millions and
see what you get, and nearly every time I go grocery shopping I see the
same thing, not just once.


what you don't see are the people who *aren't* oblivious to their
surroundings.

Another example, A month or so ago I went to the downtown staples for
printer supplies, on coming out I have to cross a busy 6 lane street, As
I am waiting for the red light to turn green a woman texting on her
phone starts walking across the street against the red light and very
nearly got hit by a car who had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting her.


pedestrians have the right of way. if said driver had to 'slam on his
brakes' to avoid a collision, then it's the driver who is at fault for
not paying attention.



Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way against a red light at a
traffic light controlled intersection!!! Where in hell did you get that
idea.


On the same day waiting for my bus another young lady texting and
walking, walks right into a lamp standard!


people did that before phones, often while drunk, but not always.

Need I say more?


no


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Old February 12th 19, 05:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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"Mr. Man-wai Chang" Wrote in message:

Microsoft will end ?Extended Support? for Windows 7 according to the company?s Lifecycle page.


Google has such a page for Chromebook models. Support for the
premium model I bought new in June of 2018 ends in 2022. MS
doesn't seem so bad to me...
 




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