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2.5" SATA HD replacement options
On 6/24/2015 8:39 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says... On 6/21/2015 6:45 AM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 6/16/2015 5:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:30 -0700, cameo wrote: On 6/15/2015 11:20 PM, . . .winston wrote: cameo wrote: On 6/15/2015 7:24 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:42:05 -0700, cameo wrote: I am sensing that my HP Pavillion tx1000 notebook's 250GB SATA drive's days are numbered and I have been trying to find a new one to replace it with. However, this 5400 RPM Western Digital WD2500BEVS-60UST0 model doesn't seem to be available at a reasonable price and most that pop up in Google search are used. So I was wondering if perhaps I could look for other 2.5" SATA models, maybe with higher capacity and higher speed, but I am worried what kind of compatibility problems I could face then. Even if the electrical interface is the same, they might not fit into the caddy the original drive is in. What about SATA II or SATA III upgrades? Has any of you done this kind of laptop HD replacement and could give me some pointers? Thanks. Give serious thought to getting an SSD drive. I put one in to replace a 5400 SATA drive in my old aspire one and it gave that old, formerly very slow, net book a new lease on life. Like the proverbial night and day. I think you guys convinced me about going with an SSD drive. Googling some more on the subject, I see that this is not as bad way to go as I originally thought. Especially considering the speed improvement! I use Acronis to make a full PC backup and that should make restore to the SSD pretty easy. The only thing I'm not sure is how the Win7 OS handles the difference in the drivers. After all, when I first time boot up with the SSD, the previous SATA drivers will be useless. Why would you need the earlier machine's SATA drivers if you are building a new system with an SSD ? If Win7 doesn't provide a SATA driver to operate in ACHI mode, you'll need to provide one during the Windows setup and prior to installing Windows....the drive needs to be ready for Windows to install. Where did you read that I was building a new system? I'm just trying to The following is what I saved from a post long time ago now. --------------------------- First, open an Elevated Command Prompt window. To open an Elevated Command Prompt window: Click on Start Orb Type "CMD.exe" in Search box Right click on "CMD" and select "Run as Administrator" (If you receive a prompt confirmation, click YES) To verify the TRIM command is enabled, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify The results will be as follows: DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled) DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled) To enable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0 To disable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1 -------------------------------------- Never mind my question about what TRIM was about. I've just found a good explanation for it on the web. |
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cameo wrote:
Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system always got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is that the storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought only my graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150. The two chips in the chipset. http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg A poorly labeled block diagram. http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg I put some labels on the diagram. http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif The storage controller is from NVidia. It's a block inside the 430. Paul |
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cameo wrote:
On 6/24/2015 8:39 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 6/21/2015 6:45 AM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 6/16/2015 5:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:30 -0700, cameo wrote: On 6/15/2015 11:20 PM, . . .winston wrote: cameo wrote: On 6/15/2015 7:24 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:42:05 -0700, cameo wrote: I am sensing that my HP Pavillion tx1000 notebook's 250GB SATA drive's days are numbered and I have been trying to find a new one to replace it with. However, this 5400 RPM Western Digital WD2500BEVS-60UST0 model doesn't seem to be available at a reasonable price and most that pop up in Google search are used. So I was wondering if perhaps I could look for other 2.5" SATA models, maybe with higher capacity and higher speed, but I am worried what kind of compatibility problems I could face then. Even if the electrical interface is the same, they might not fit into the caddy the original drive is in. What about SATA II or SATA III upgrades? Has any of you done this kind of laptop HD replacement and could give me some pointers? Thanks. Give serious thought to getting an SSD drive. I put one in to replace a 5400 SATA drive in my old aspire one and it gave that old, formerly very slow, net book a new lease on life. Like the proverbial night and day. I think you guys convinced me about going with an SSD drive. Googling some more on the subject, I see that this is not as bad way to go as I originally thought. Especially considering the speed improvement! I use Acronis to make a full PC backup and that should make restore to the SSD pretty easy. The only thing I'm not sure is how the Win7 OS handles the difference in the drivers. After all, when I first time boot up with the SSD, the previous SATA drivers will be useless. Why would you need the earlier machine's SATA drivers if you are building a new system with an SSD ? If Win7 doesn't provide a SATA driver to operate in ACHI mode, you'll need to provide one during the Windows setup and prior to installing Windows....the drive needs to be ready for Windows to install. Where did you read that I was building a new system? I'm just trying to The following is what I saved from a post long time ago now. --------------------------- First, open an Elevated Command Prompt window. To open an Elevated Command Prompt window: Click on Start Orb Type "CMD.exe" in Search box Right click on "CMD" and select "Run as Administrator" (If you receive a prompt confirmation, click YES) To verify the TRIM command is enabled, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify The results will be as follows: DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled) DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled) Thanks for this instruction and here is my result: DisableDeleteNotify = 0 So, I guess, TRIM is enabled. To enable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0 To disable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1 -------------------------------------- OK, so shoulc I change my setting, or not? Because I still don't understand just what the TRIM option does. TRIM alerts the SSD, that a file was just deleted, and certain LBAs (logical block addresses) are now free. The SSD can "erase" the blocks, and put them in the "free" pile. When you write a new file a couple minutes from now, the blocks are ready to be used. Hard drives don't work that way. When a file is deleted on a hard drive, the sectors containing the data clusters are just left sitting there. The OS overwrites them at some point, and the overwrite takes care of erasure. The trick with SSDs, is they work best with large amounts of slack space. That keeps the perceived performance level high. The write speed in megabytes per second, is as fast at the end of the day, as it was at the beginning of the day. Because the TRIM protocol keeps the SSD advised as to what blocks are really free. Otherwise, the SSD uses pessimistic assumptions about what is free, and the SSD is then under more pressure to provide free and clean blocks. ******* The reason you're checking TRIM status at the moment, is to see whether the Samsung software is complaining about something real or not. If TRIM was operational, and you were getting the warning, then we'd have to work harder to find an explanation for you. If TRIM is turned off, then the warning could be about TRIM. This is one of the perils of inexact error messages. The software should say something like "Warning: I just tested TRIM, and TRIM doesn't seem to be working". Or "I attempted SATA I/O operations to the SSD drive, and I am unable to get even the identity string from it, let alone anything else". Which would tell you there is a serious I/O problem, and not a TRIM problem. Paul |
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:02:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote: Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system always got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is that the storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought only my graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150. The two chips in the chipset. http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg A poorly labeled block diagram. http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg I put some labels on the diagram. http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif The storage controller is from NVidia. It's a block inside the 430. Testing whether it's possible to link directly to the image, without the usual garbage that tinypic wants us to see: http://oi61.tinypic.com/33faiky.jpg -- Char Jackson |
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On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote: Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system always got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is that the storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought only my graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150. The two chips in the chipset. http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg A poorly labeled block diagram. http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg I put some labels on the diagram. http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif The storage controller is from NVidia. It's a block inside the 430. Paul Thanks. That makes itt much clearer to me. However, when you are talking about two chips in a chipset does that mean two physical chips that I can see on the mother board or just one that contains two chips? Because I can only see one that is slightly smaller than the AMD Turion 64 CPU chip. I've rpdated the heatsink once over the GPU myself. |
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On 6/25/2015 11:11 AM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote: On 6/24/2015 8:39 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 6/21/2015 6:45 AM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 6/16/2015 5:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:30 -0700, cameo wrote: On 6/15/2015 11:20 PM, . . .winston wrote: cameo wrote: On 6/15/2015 7:24 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:42:05 -0700, cameo wrote: I am sensing that my HP Pavillion tx1000 notebook's 250GB SATA drive's days are numbered and I have been trying to find a new one to replace it with. However, this 5400 RPM Western Digital WD2500BEVS-60UST0 model doesn't seem to be available at a reasonable price and most that pop up in Google search are used. So I was wondering if perhaps I could look for other 2.5" SATA models, maybe with higher capacity and higher speed, but I am worried what kind of compatibility problems I could face then. Even if the electrical interface is the same, they might not fit into the caddy the original drive is in. What about SATA II or SATA III upgrades? Has any of you done this kind of laptop HD replacement and could give me some pointers? Thanks. Give serious thought to getting an SSD drive. I put one in to replace a 5400 SATA drive in my old aspire one and it gave that old, formerly very slow, net book a new lease on life. Like the proverbial night and day. I think you guys convinced me about going with an SSD drive. Googling some more on the subject, I see that this is not as bad way to go as I originally thought. Especially considering the speed improvement! I use Acronis to make a full PC backup and that should make restore to the SSD pretty easy. The only thing I'm not sure is how the Win7 OS handles the difference in the drivers. After all, when I first time boot up with the SSD, the previous SATA drivers will be useless. Why would you need the earlier machine's SATA drivers if you are building a new system with an SSD ? If Win7 doesn't provide a SATA driver to operate in ACHI mode, you'll need to provide one during the Windows setup and prior to installing Windows....the drive needs to be ready for Windows to install. Where did you read that I was building a new system? I'm just trying to The following is what I saved from a post long time ago now. --------------------------- First, open an Elevated Command Prompt window. To open an Elevated Command Prompt window: Click on Start Orb Type "CMD.exe" in Search box Right click on "CMD" and select "Run as Administrator" (If you receive a prompt confirmation, click YES) To verify the TRIM command is enabled, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify The results will be as follows: DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled) DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled) Thanks for this instruction and here is my result: DisableDeleteNotify = 0 So, I guess, TRIM is enabled. To enable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0 To disable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the Elevated command: fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1 -------------------------------------- OK, so shoulc I change my setting, or not? Because I still don't understand just what the TRIM option does. TRIM alerts the SSD, that a file was just deleted, and certain LBAs (logical block addresses) are now free. The SSD can "erase" the blocks, and put them in the "free" pile. When you write a new file a couple minutes from now, the blocks are ready to be used. Hard drives don't work that way. When a file is deleted on a hard drive, the sectors containing the data clusters are just left sitting there. The OS overwrites them at some point, and the overwrite takes care of erasure. The trick with SSDs, is they work best with large amounts of slack space. That keeps the perceived performance level high. The write speed in megabytes per second, is as fast at the end of the day, as it was at the beginning of the day. Because the TRIM protocol keeps the SSD advised as to what blocks are really free. Otherwise, the SSD uses pessimistic assumptions about what is free, and the SSD is then under more pressure to provide free and clean blocks. ******* The reason you're checking TRIM status at the moment, is to see whether the Samsung software is complaining about something real or not. If TRIM was operational, and you were getting the warning, then we'd have to work harder to find an explanation for you. If TRIM is turned off, then the warning could be about TRIM. This is one of the perils of inexact error messages. The software should say something like "Warning: I just tested TRIM, and TRIM doesn't seem to be working". Or "I attempted SATA I/O operations to the SSD drive, and I am unable to get even the identity string from it, let alone anything else". Which would tell you there is a serious I/O problem, and not a TRIM problem. Paul Thanks again. I've known how regular hard disk handled deletions but how SSD does it is new to me. Had I known about the benefits of large slack space, I would have bought a larger SSD. |
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cameo wrote:
On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system always got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is that the storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought only my graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150. The two chips in the chipset. http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg A poorly labeled block diagram. http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg I put some labels on the diagram. http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif The storage controller is from NVidia. It's a block inside the 430. Paul Thanks. That makes itt much clearer to me. However, when you are talking about two chips in a chipset does that mean two physical chips that I can see on the mother board or just one that contains two chips? Because I can only see one that is slightly smaller than the AMD Turion 64 CPU chip. I've rpdated the heatsink once over the GPU myself. Since the 6150 is a GPU, there's a good chance it will need a heatsink. The 430, a Southbridge, may or may not need a heatsink. If the chip dissipates more than a couple watts, a heatsink is a good idea. And note that the labeling on the chip itself, uses an internal NVidia numbering scheme. Like maybe C51G. So the 6150 and 430 numbers, don't necessarily appear on the top of the chip. The C51G is presumably the designation as the chip goes to the fab for manufacturing. Sometimes a review article will mention the real chip numbers. Paul |
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