Maybe OT about Flash

Every time I boot I get Flash's "update" message. When I follow it I get
an update page. Click on Update and I get a second page with right half
a blue progess bar. The bar never changes and I get no Save or Run As
dialog. Any ideas why?

On 6/12/2015 7:55 AM, pjp wrote:


Every time I boot I get Flash's "update" message. When I follow it I get
an update page. Click on Update and I get a second page with right half
a blue progess bar. The bar never changes and I get no Save or Run As
dialog. Any ideas why?


Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot successfully
install a newer version of Flash until you first uninstall your older
version.

--
David E. Ross

Why do we tolerate political leaders who
spend more time belittling hungry children
than they do trying to fix the problem of
hunger? http://mazon.org/

On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:23:48 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot successfully
install a newer version of Flash until you first uninstall your older
version.

I've never found it necessary to uninstall the older version of Flash before
updating.

--

Char Jackson

On 27 Jun 2015, "David E. Ross" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot
successfully install a newer version of Flash until you first
uninstall your older version.

Despite your assertion, I have never had to do that. Where did you get
such an idea? Surely you understand that your personal experience
doesn't necessarily stand for everyone's?

I usually download the Flash installation files and run them from my
local computer, rather than try to run the web install:

https://www.adobe.com/products/flash...ribution3.html

David E. Ross wrote:
On 6/12/2015 7:55 AM, pjp wrote:


Every time I boot I get Flash's "update" message. When I follow it I get
an update page. Click on Update and I get a second page with right half
a blue progess bar. The bar never changes and I get no Save or Run As
dialog. Any ideas why?


Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot successfully
install a newer version of Flash until you first uninstall your older
version.

Typically the Flash uninstaller is only necessary if problems exist with
the current version or its inability to update or a rare (need) to
return to a lower Flash version.

For troubleshooting, in the op's case which appears to be an update
issue, uninstalling Flash and reinstalling using the offline stand-alone
installer for the current version might be beneficial...but it's not
really necessary or even no longer valid to claim a later version can't
be successfully installed without removal of the earlier version.

In the past (circa version 10 to early 11 releases, CY 2009-2011) some
recommended that the old version should be removed using the uninstaller
before installing the latest. Adobe over time improved the installer and
auto-updater (11.2's auto-updater was particularly clunky) by late 2012
those earlier recommendations to remove/clean install were old-school.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 6/27/2015 10:21 PM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 6/12/2015 7:55 AM, pjp wrote:


Every time I boot I get Flash's "update" message. When I follow it I get
an update page. Click on Update and I get a second page with right half
a blue progess bar. The bar never changes and I get no Save or Run As
dialog. Any ideas why?


Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot successfully
install a newer version of Flash until you first uninstall your older
version.

Typically the Flash uninstaller is only necessary if problems exist with
the current version or its inability to update or a rare (need) to
return to a lower Flash version.

For troubleshooting, in the op's case which appears to be an update
issue, uninstalling Flash and reinstalling using the offline stand-alone
installer for the current version might be beneficial...but it's not
really necessary or even no longer valid to claim a later version can't
be successfully installed without removal of the earlier version.

In the past (circa version 10 to early 11 releases, CY 2009-2011) some
recommended that the old version should be removed using the uninstaller
before installing the latest. Adobe over time improved the installer and
auto-updater (11.2's auto-updater was particularly clunky) by late 2012
those earlier recommendations to remove/clean install were old-school.



As recently as this year -- it might have been only a month ago with
Flash 17.0.0.188 -- it seemed to install. However, the installation
test at http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ failed. To get the
test to succeed, I had to uninstall and then install.

For Flash I always download the installer file for "Plugin-based
browsers" from
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html,
disconnect from the Internet, and then install the new version.
Repeatedly, I have tried this without uninstalling the old version; and
repeatedly, the installation fails to pass the test unless I first
uninstall the old version.

--
David E. Ross

Why do we tolerate political leaders who
spend more time belittling hungry children
than they do trying to fix the problem of
hunger? http://mazon.org/

David E. Ross wrote:
On 6/12/2015 7:55 AM, pjp wrote:

Every time I boot I get Flash's "update" message. When I follow it I get
an update page. Click on Update and I get a second page with right half
a blue progess bar. The bar never changes and I get no Save or Run As
dialog. Any ideas why?


Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot successfully
install a newer version of Flash until you first uninstall your older
version.


There are two ways to install Flash.

1) Use the whizzy "web install" method.
Which has any number of problems.
2) After you've put up with that for a while, you find the "archive"
page with the .exe installers, and you won't have
nearly the same problems with that.

So if you were doing (1), yes, I'd understand
your frustration.

The Adobe release numbering scheme is perfectly useless
for identification now. Different platforms might be on
different release numbers. The major release number is
supposed to be bumped every three months or something.
All I can tell you, is Windows is now using 18.* at the
moment.

http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/...-versions.html

(Released 6/9/2015) Flash Player 18.0.0.160 (235.98 MB)

Once you get the download, you navigate with 7ZIP to find
the two useful things in it. There will be a release and
a debug folder. The release one will have things like this...

flashplayer17_0r0_188_win.exe Netscape/Firefox/Seamonkey
flashplayer17_0r0_188_winax.exe Internet Explorer

There are also separate downloads with just an Interner Explorer
installer, and a separate installer file for Netscape-plugin
equipped browsers.

Some browsers have Flash built-in, like PepperFlash. And their update
sequence is the responsibility of the browser-maker. Google Chrome
and very recent versions of Internet Explorer might qualify.

Paul

On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 20:33:48 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:23:48 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot successfully
install a newer version of Flash until you first uninstall your older
version.

I've never found it necessary to uninstall the older version of Flash before
updating.

Same here. When one of the all-too-frequent "you have to upgrade
because we've patched yet another stupid security hole" notices
appears, I download and install the new version using the link in the
notice.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

David E. Ross wrote:
As recently as this year -- it might have been only a month ago with
Flash 17.0.0.188 -- it seemed to install. However, the installation
test at http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ failed. To get the
test to succeed, I had to uninstall and then install.

For Flash I always download the installer file for "Plugin-based
browsers" from
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html,
disconnect from the Internet, and then install the new version.
Repeatedly, I have tried this without uninstalling the old version; and
repeatedly, the installation fails to pass the test unless I first
uninstall the old version.


That doesn't necessarily prove your earlier point for anyone else.
qp
Despite assertions to the contrary by Adobe, you cannot successfully
install a newer version of Flash until you first uninstall your older
version.
/qp

I've only seen that Flash version checker fail very rarely and the last
was some time ago on Windows 8.1 after updating Flash via Windows Update
but before the required WU restart for other updates.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps