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  #16  
Old May 6th 14, 11:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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mechanic typed:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 05:12:18 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

So I've never found one killer app for Linux in all of these
years.


Shotwell? Nothing better on Windows or Linux (don't know about
Apple).


There are tons of Windows based image organizer software. Heck you even
have a modest one built into Windows that Microsoft fondly calls
libraries.

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  #17  
Old May 6th 14, 12:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Melzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2014 17:54:08 -0500
"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
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On Mon, 5 May 2014 08:30:57 +0200, Aka wrote:

I have transformed my slow (8 years old) Windows XP notebook into a
speedy Linux Mint one, at no costs, including Libre Office.

Extra bonus: No virus catchers needed for Linux.

Linux Mint was a bit slow for me, so I installed Xubuntu on my
brother's old (+8 year) desktop. I copied his Fx and TB profiles. I
didn't even need to explain it to him how it all worked. :-)


Sure, but it is that way with all toy OS (Linux, Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc) and applications. Sure they are fun to play
with and easy to use, but they are not built for real productive
work. I only use those OS for toying around and they not much good
for anything else. Although for some, that is all they ever need.


Are you sure that you know what's Linux?


He doesn't know what's what much less anything about computers or *any*
operating system. He's a braggart that gives very bad advice.

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  #18  
Old May 6th 14, 02:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 05/05/2014 06:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
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On Mon, 5 May 2014 08:30:57 +0200, Aka wrote:

I have transformed my slow (8 years old) Windows XP notebook into a
speedy Linux Mint one, at no costs, including Libre Office.

Extra bonus: No virus catchers needed for Linux.


Linux Mint was a bit slow for me, so I installed Xubuntu on my
brother's old (+8 year) desktop. I copied his Fx and TB profiles. I
didn't even need to explain it to him how it all worked. :-)


Sure, but it is that way with all toy OS (Linux, Android, iOS, Windows
RT, Palm OS, etc) and applications. Sure they are fun to play with and
easy to use, but they are not built for real productive work. I only use
those OS for toying around and they not much good for anything else.
Although for some, that is all they ever need.


What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.
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  #19  
Old May 6th 14, 03:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 05/06/2014 06:12 AM, BillW50 wrote:


Sure, it is the OS that is crazier than a three-ring circus with 306
distros and counting. The Linux community doesn't believe in
standardization either. Because there wouldn't be 300+ distros if they
did. And it is very tough to write applications that would run on 300+
distros. So you end up with many lame basic applications like Firefox,
Thunderbird, LibreOffice, VLC, etc. Hell Android, iOS, Widesktop environmentndows RT, Palm
OS, etc can do that stuff too. So I've never found one killer app for
Linux in all of these years.

Bill
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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2




You only have to write for a Linux desktop environment such as KDE,
Gnome. Then a distribution that uses that desktop environment can use
it. There is no reason to try to think you have to write for a specific
distribution. The Linux kernel Is written so that a user can customize
it easily for his/her needs or wants. Such as Cern, Pixar, Nasa, me,
just to name a few. And it remains very stable. Unlike MS which will not
let you see their code, and is not as stable.
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  #20  
Old May 6th 14, 03:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 6 May 2014 05:49:18 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

In ,
mechanic typed:
On Mon, 5 May 2014 18:25:03 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

I can even drop the monitor in my lap. Hmm... maybe a 27 inch
touch screen monitor might be my next purchase. :-)


Apple make a nice 27inch thunderbolt monitor.


It might be nice, but it sports no HDMI, DVI, or even VGA ports
(this Asus monitor has all three and I use them all). VESA
bracket sold separately that adds to that $999 price tag (this
monitor it comes standard). Nor does it sport a touch screen.
Like virtually all Apple products, you're paying more for the
name vs. what you are all getting. Thus it wouldn't do me any
good to get one.


True it's not touch, but 27inch is a bit large for finger pointing.
Several adapters to take care of the interfaces or just run from a
Mac mini - cheap ones usually on eBay. The picture is impressive
though.
  #21  
Old May 6th 14, 04:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 6 May 2014 05:12:18 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

So I've never found one killer app for
Linux in all of these years.


Stellarium is pretty impressive. I assume it must be a Linux program
that's been ported, because the Windows version is slightly slower.

Rod.
  #22  
Old May 6th 14, 04:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Caver1" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/2014 06:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
s|b typed:
On Mon, 5 May 2014 08:30:57 +0200, Aka wrote:

I have transformed my slow (8 years old) Windows XP notebook into a
speedy Linux Mint one, at no costs, including Libre Office.

Extra bonus: No virus catchers needed for Linux.

Linux Mint was a bit slow for me, so I installed Xubuntu on my
brother's old (+8 year) desktop. I copied his Fx and TB profiles. I
didn't even need to explain it to him how it all worked. :-)


Sure, but it is that way with all toy OS (Linux, Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc) and applications. Sure they are fun to play
with and easy to use, but they are not built for real productive
work. I only use those OS for toying around and they not much good
for anything else. Although for some, that is all they ever need.


What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.


Really? There are so many things that I can't do under Linux that I can
with Windows. There is an endless of things...

1) Palm support hasn't been updated for about 20 years now.

2) WMV and WMA media files plays terribly under Linux. Most of my files
are in these two formats.

3) Windows supports hundreds of media formats out of the box while Linux
supports only a small fraction.

4) No support for my AverMedia TV tuners.

5) No support for my Precision Xtra glucose meter.

6) Many games are not available in Linux format.

7) Logitech doesn't support Linux pairing with the Unifying Receiver.
Sure you can do it with hacks, although the hacks are unsupported
as well.

8) I haven't found one text editor or word processor that supports "text
with layout" or the WordStar diamond keyboard shortcuts yet.

9) My favorite browser is Maxthon v3. There is no Linux version, just
the Maxthon Cloud Browser for Linux and I am not interested in any cloud
based applications.

10) The Linux support for touch screens is often very tedious. While
under Windows it works right out of the box.

That is just 10, I can keep adding to this list all day for years.

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  #23  
Old May 6th 14, 05:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Caver1" wrote in message
...
On 05/06/2014 06:12 AM, BillW50 wrote:

Sure, it is the OS that is crazier than a three-ring circus with 306
distros and counting. The Linux community doesn't believe in
standardization either. Because there wouldn't be 300+ distros if
they did. And it is very tough to write applications that would run
on 300+ distros. So you end up with many lame basic applications like
Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, VLC, etc. Hell Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc can do that stuff too. So I've never found
one killer app for Linux in all of these years.


Wow! I had to dig up my old post because whatever you used to quote it
sure screwed it up. Compare the above to your quoted version. Big
difference.

You only have to write for a Linux desktop environment such as KDE,
Gnome. Then a distribution that uses that desktop environment can use
it. There is no reason to try to think you have to write for a
specific distribution. The Linux kernel Is written so that a user can
customize it easily for his/her needs or wants. Such as Cern, Pixar,
Nasa, me, just to name a few.


Naw it is a huge mess. Touch screens for example is now the new fade
(maybe one that will last for generations to come). Virtually all OS
support it right out of the box. But not Linux! Linux is that OS that
always lags behind everything else. Try to get Linux to learn a new
trick is like a pulling a lazy donkey while it kicks and screams.

And it remains very stable. Unlike MS which will not let you see their
code, and is not as stable.


My Windows machines are all stable. Although I am not into beta testing
the latest and greatest Windows versions. I wait until they have been
proven stable.

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  #24  
Old May 6th 14, 05:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 05/06/2014 11:10 AM, BillW50 wrote:
"Caver1" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/2014 06:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
s|b typed:
On Mon, 5 May 2014 08:30:57 +0200, Aka wrote:

I have transformed my slow (8 years old) Windows XP notebook into a
speedy Linux Mint one, at no costs, including Libre Office.

Extra bonus: No virus catchers needed for Linux.

Linux Mint was a bit slow for me, so I installed Xubuntu on my
brother's old (+8 year) desktop. I copied his Fx and TB profiles. I
didn't even need to explain it to him how it all worked. :-)

Sure, but it is that way with all toy OS (Linux, Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc) and applications. Sure they are fun to play
with and easy to use, but they are not built for real productive
work. I only use those OS for toying around and they not much good
for anything else. Although for some, that is all they ever need.


What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.


Really? There are so many things that I can't do under Linux that I can
with Windows. There is an endless of things...

1) Palm support hasn't been updated for about 20 years now.


I don't know anybody that is still using Palm with the advent of smart
phones and tablets and Linux does support them.

2) WMV and WMA media files plays terribly under Linux. Most of my files
are in these two formats..

3) Windows supports hundreds of media formats out of the box while Linux
supports only a small fraction.




Use a better format. Anyways those are MS only so how are you suppose to
run them in Linux? Most codecs are supported if you use the right program.

4) No support for my AverMedia TV tuners.


There are several TV tuners that Linux supports. Maybe Linux will
support yours in the future maybe not. linux is adding drivers all the
time. drivers all the time. Windows is dropping drivers all the time.
There are ways of using some Windows drivers in Linux.


5) No support for my Precision Xtra glucose meter.


Proprietary.
You could ask someone to write a driver for you or write your own.

6) Many games are not available in Linux format.


Two things. 1. There are more games being added all the time.
2. Who cares about games we were talking about getting real work done.

7) Logitech doesn't support Linux pairing with the Unifying Receiver.
Sure you can do it with hacks, although the hacks are unsupported
as well.


The point you mentioned is that it is possible. Not all "hacks" are bad.

8) I haven't found one text editor or word processor that supports "text
with layout" or the WordStar diamond keyboard shortcuts yet.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordSta...tar_emulation-
Although no current version of WordStar is available for modern operating systems,



some former WordStar users still prefer WordStar's interface


Joe, the Joe's Own Editor, has the feel of most PC text editors: the key
sequences are reminiscent of WordStar and Turbo C editors, but the feature
set is much larger than of those. Joe has all of the features a Unix
user should expect: full use of termcap/terminfo, complete VI-style Unix
integration, a powerful configuration file, and regular expression search
system. It also has six help reference cards which are always available,
and an intuitive, simple, and well thought-out user interface.

Joe has a great screen update optimization algorithm, multiple windows
(through/between which you can scroll) and lacks the confusing notion of
named buffers. It has command history, TAB expansion in file selection
menus, undo and redo functions, (un)indenting and paragraph formatting,
filtering highlighted blocks through any external Unix command, editing
a pipe into or out of a command, and block move, copy, delete or filter.

Through simple QEdit-style configuration files, Joe can be set up to
emulate editors such as Pico and Emacs, along with a complete imitation
of WordStar, and a restricted mode version (lets you edit only the files
specified on the command line). Joe also has a deferred screen update to
handle typeahead, and it ensures that deferral is not bypassed by tty
buffering. It's usable even at 2400 baud, and it will work on any
kind of sane terminal.
Or here;
http://forum.wordstar.org/index.php/...ww.youtube.com
Or here;
/watch?v=Zm_g4Cs7EpQ
PuppyLinux e3
e3 is a console text editor with multiple personalities, A single
executable that emulates other editors.WordStar,Emacs,Pico,Nedit, orvi



9) My favorite browser is Maxthon v3. There is no Linux version, just
the Maxthon Cloud Browser for Linux and I am not interested in any cloud
based applications.

That is a personal choice. There are several browsers for Linux that get
the job done.
10) The Linux support for touch screens is often very tedious. While
under Windows it works right out of the box.

Here;
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/touchscreen
Any distro that has Gnome-Shell 3.10+

That is just 10, I can keep adding to this list all day for years.


Keep trying maybe some day you'll find one.

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  #25  
Old May 6th 14, 05:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek Trishan[_3_]
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BillW50 has written on 5/6/2014 11:10 AM:
"Caver1" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/2014 06:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
s|b typed:
On Mon, 5 May 2014 08:30:57 +0200, Aka wrote:

I have transformed my slow (8 years old) Windows XP notebook into a
speedy Linux Mint one, at no costs, including Libre Office.

Extra bonus: No virus catchers needed for Linux.

Linux Mint was a bit slow for me, so I installed Xubuntu on my
brother's old (+8 year) desktop. I copied his Fx and TB profiles. I
didn't even need to explain it to him how it all worked. :-)

Sure, but it is that way with all toy OS (Linux, Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc) and applications. Sure they are fun to play
with and easy to use, but they are not built for real productive
work. I only use those OS for toying around and they not much good
for anything else. Although for some, that is all they ever need.


What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.


Really? There are so many things that I can't do under Linux that I can
with Windows. There is an endless of things...

1) Palm support hasn't been updated for about 20 years now.

2) WMV and WMA media files plays terribly under Linux. Most of my files
are in these two formats.

3) Windows supports hundreds of media formats out of the box while Linux
supports only a small fraction.

4) No support for my AverMedia TV tuners.

5) No support for my Precision Xtra glucose meter.

6) Many games are not available in Linux format.

7) Logitech doesn't support Linux pairing with the Unifying Receiver.
Sure you can do it with hacks, although the hacks are unsupported
as well.

8) I haven't found one text editor or word processor that supports "text
with layout" or the WordStar diamond keyboard shortcuts yet.


Which ones do?

9) My favorite browser is Maxthon v3. There is no Linux version, just
the Maxthon Cloud Browser for Linux and I am not interested in any cloud
based applications.



If that is an example of how thoroughly you research things, I would
have to discount everything you say! Maxthon Cloud Browser does not use
the cloud unless you sign up for a Maxthon Passport account. This is
DEFINITELY NOT cloud-based.
  #26  
Old May 6th 14, 05:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 05/06/2014 12:07 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Caver1" wrote in message
...
On 05/06/2014 06:12 AM, BillW50 wrote:

Sure, it is the OS that is crazier than a three-ring circus with 306
distros and counting. The Linux community doesn't believe in
standardization either. Because there wouldn't be 300+ distros if
they did. And it is very tough to write applications that would run
on 300+ distros. So you end up with many lame basic applications like
Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, VLC, etc. Hell Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc can do that stuff too. So I've never found
one killer app for Linux in all of these years.


Wow! I had to dig up my old post because whatever you used to quote it
sure screwed it up. Compare the above to your quoted version. Big
difference.


You're fooling only yourself. I didn't quote anything. That was a direct
follow up to the newsgroup. Go back and look at it again there is no
difference. If there is prove it.

You only have to write for a Linux desktop environment such as KDE,
Gnome. Then a distribution that uses that desktop environment can use
it. There is no reason to try to think you have to write for a
specific distribution. The Linux kernel Is written so that a user can
customize it easily for his/her needs or wants. Such as Cern, Pixar,
Nasa, me, just to name a few.


Naw it is a huge mess. Touch screens for example is now the new fade
(maybe one that will last for generations to come). Virtually all OS
support it right out of the box. But not Linux! Linux is that OS that
always lags behind everything else. Try to get Linux to learn a new
trick is like a pulling a lazy donkey while it kicks and screams.


Like I said You haven't really used Linux especially recently.

And it remains very stable. Unlike MS which will not let you see their
code, and is not as stable.


My Windows machines are all stable. Although I am not into beta testing
the latest and greatest Windows versions. I wait until they have been
proven stable.


It is not as stable as Linux and you run into many more problems with
windows- bloatware, viruses, update problems, errors that can't be
figured out by anyone so the suggestion is to reload windows and start
over. I can go on from there.

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  #27  
Old May 6th 14, 05:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek Trishan[_3_]
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Caver1 has written on 5/6/2014 12:10 PM:

Joe, the Joe's Own Editor, has the feel of most PC text editors: the key
sequences are reminiscent of WordStar and Turbo C editors, but the feature
set is much larger than of those. Joe has all of the features a Unix
user should expect: full use of termcap/terminfo, complete VI-style Unix
integration, a powerful configuration file, and regular expression search
system. It also has six help reference cards which are always available,
and an intuitive, simple, and well thought-out user interface.


I couldn't find a Windows executable for Joe. Any ideas?

  #28  
Old May 6th 14, 06:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 14-05-06 06:28 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 05:12:18 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

So I've never found one killer app for Linux in all of these
years.


Shotwell? Nothing better on Windows or Linux (don't know about
Apple).


The problem with GNU/Linux killer apps is that they're not exclusive in
any way. Shotwell is nice, so is Handbrake and LibreOffice. They're all
free but they're also available for other operating systems. For
something to be a killer app, it has to be exclusive and in this case,
no GNU/Linux software is.


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Old May 6th 14, 06:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Silver Slimer has written on 5/6/2014 1:28 PM:
On 14-05-06 06:28 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 05:12:18 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

So I've never found one killer app for Linux in all of these
years.


Shotwell? Nothing better on Windows or Linux (don't know about
Apple).


The problem with GNU/Linux killer apps is that they're not exclusive in
any way. Shotwell is nice, so is Handbrake and LibreOffice. They're all
free but they're also available for other operating systems. For
something to be a killer app, it has to be exclusive and in this case,
no GNU/Linux software is.


So, then, why would anyone care if an excellent program was or was not
available for different platforms???
  #30  
Old May 6th 14, 06:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 14-05-06 11:10 AM, BillW50 wrote:

What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.


Really? There are so many things that I can't do under Linux that I can
with Windows. There is an endless of things...

1) Palm support hasn't been updated for about 20 years now.


No comment on this though I doubt that most people will be prevented
from using GNU/Linux as a result of this.

2) WMV and WMA media files plays terribly under Linux. Most of my files
are in these two formats.


In case you're not aware, for sound quality, WMA is absolutely awful
even if you use the superior WMA Pro format. In terms of lossless
quality, AAC comes first and OGG comes second. OGG is a free format
which is beautifully supported in GNU/Linux. I can't comment on WMV
since I haven't done research on it.

3) Windows supports hundreds of media formats out of the box while Linux
supports only a small fraction.


Most GNU/Linux distributions don't support a large amount of media
formats (out of the box) simply because they are proprietary. If I'm not
mistaken though, Sabayon and Linux Mint installs them by default which
would ensure that either of these distributions actually plays a larger
amount of formats than Windows out of the box. However, each
distribution (except those endorsed by gnu.org or the Free Software
Foundation) makes the codecs for virtually every format available in one
package. For Ubuntu, for instance, support is given through the
ubuntu-restricted-extras package. It's incredibly easy to install.

That is just 10, I can keep adding to this list all day for years.


There is no doubt in my mind that Windows is better in many respects
than GNU/Linux and that for most people, it will indeed do a much better
job. However, GNU/Linux is an excellent choice for computers which
simply aren't properly served by Windows.

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