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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:36:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:26:36 -0400, . . .winston wrote: John wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:55:30 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: lid wrote: I'm trying to convert an EXFAT drive to NTFS. The Windows program CONVERT.EXE can't do it. C:\Users\Tadeuszconvert e: /fs:ntfs /nosecurity /x CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives. C:\Users\Tadeusz Is it possible to convert the drive using some other program, or must I reformat the drive with NTFS? Afiak, not possible. Backup, format the exFAT drive as NTFS, copy from the backup to the newly formatted NTFS drive. Why? Why not just copy the data to an NTFS drive and use it as the primary while keeping the exfat as a backup? Far less work. Drives are cheap. J. Copying is much different than converting an existing file system on a given drive to another file system on the same drive (the op's question) without moving/copying data. (i.e. convert one file system to another with data intact). I think John knows that, but recall that everyone who seems to know has said that conversion is not possible in this instance. Not only does John know that but John also can't understand why Winston brought it up as it is irrelevant. I know what the OP asked, I was only offering him an alternative route to NTFS which involved less work than the routes many others have suggested and would have given him a backup of his exfat volume. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convert_%28command%29 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb490885.aspx Neither of those mention exfat. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214579 has this little warning: quote NOTE: Although the chance of corruption or data loss during the conversion from FAT to NTFS is minimal, it is best to perform a full backup of the data on the drive that it is to be converted prior to executing the convert command. It is also recommended to verify the integrity of the backup before proceeding, as well as to run RDISK and update the emergency repair disk (ERD). /quote If you are going to do a recommended back up anyway ... Just to ram home the point, here's a message from someone who is not me: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answer...sing-data.html he seems to think "convert exfat ntfs" isn't possible. He's in good company. No one things it can be done. Format, yes, convert, no. Of course, I knew all of this. I knew trying to be helpful was a mistake. J. Since were in the third person response - I don't think ...winston specifically said it was irrelevant. Giving the op of the benefit of the doubt (since it was not mentioned) that no other drive was available thus the only immediate route without more hardware would be to backup, format exFAT media as NTFS, then copy from backup. The op received a lot of helpful advice on what could be done from a variety of respondents including John and ...winston - though in 3 of the op's follow up replies not a single mention of the availability of another drive or consideration of purchasing another drive. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:38:19 +0100, John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:39:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: At Amazon I see $55 and up, so comparable to a 1 GB hard drive. You mean comparable to a 1TeraByte (TB) drive, of course. There is no such animal as a 1GB drive available anywhere on this planet. 1GB USB sticks, yes. Those are almost too cheap to sell. Out of curiosity, I just checked prices on Amazon.com. A 1GB thumb drive is $3.52, and you can buy ten for $24.29 ($2.43 each). Yes, very cheap. But so small that I wouldn't want any. |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:34:52 +0100, John wrote:
2TB drives are less than a hundred bux. They are even less than a hundred UK quids. That's not "wealthy" territory. It's less than a tank of petrol (or "gas"). It may be less than a tank of petrol, but it's not less than a tank of gas (not unless you have a very large tank). g Here in the USA, a tank of gas for my car (a Toyota Corolla) typically costs me around $40. But an OT question for you. You wrote "a hundred UK quids." Is it common to say "quids" for the plural? I had thought it would be "a hundred quid." |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:34:52 +0100, John wrote: 2TB drives are less than a hundred bux. They are even less than a hundred UK quids. That's not "wealthy" territory. It's less than a tank of petrol (or "gas"). It may be less than a tank of petrol, but it's not less than a tank of gas (not unless you have a very large tank). g Here in the USA, a tank of gas for my car (a Toyota Corolla) typically costs me around $40. But an OT question for you. You wrote "a hundred UK quids." Is it common to say "quids" for the plural? I had thought it would be "a hundred quid." I thought so too. A few years ago my sister-in-law English and Art teacher (who grew up about 40 miles east of Norwich)who dances back and forth between the American and the Queen's English informed me both were acceptable. Apparently Webster agrees too. quid noun \ˈkwid\ plural quid also quids On the other hand maybe 100 UK quids was in the form of tobacco but that would be really hard to swallow. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:14:08 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:34:52 +0100, John wrote: 2TB drives are less than a hundred bux. They are even less than a hundred UK quids. That's not "wealthy" territory. It's less than a tank of petrol (or "gas"). It may be less than a tank of petrol, but it's not less than a tank of gas (not unless you have a very large tank). g Here in the USA, a tank of gas for my car (a Toyota Corolla) typically costs me around $40. But an OT question for you. You wrote "a hundred UK quids." Is it common to say "quids" for the plural? I had thought it would be "a hundred quid." I thought so too. A few years ago my sister-in-law English and Art teacher (who grew up about 40 miles east of Norwich)who dances back and forth between the American and the Queen's English informed me both were acceptable. Thanks, I thought it was a slang term and wouldn't be in the dictionary. On the other hand maybe 100 UK quids was in the form of tobacco but that would be really hard to swallow. LOL! |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 20:51:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:26:36 -0400, . . .winston wrote: John wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:55:30 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: lid wrote: I'm trying to convert an EXFAT drive to NTFS. The Windows program CONVERT.EXE can't do it. C:\Users\Tadeuszconvert e: /fs:ntfs /nosecurity /x CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives. C:\Users\Tadeusz Is it possible to convert the drive using some other program, or must I reformat the drive with NTFS? Afiak, not possible. Backup, format the exFAT drive as NTFS, copy from the backup to the newly formatted NTFS drive. Why? Why not just copy the data to an NTFS drive and use it as the primary while keeping the exfat as a backup? Far less work. Drives are cheap. J. Copying is much different than converting an existing file system on a given drive to another file system on the same drive (the op's question) without moving/copying data. (i.e. convert one file system to another with data intact). I think John knows that, but recall that everyone who seems to know has said that conversion is not possible in this instance. I gathered that but copying appears to have missed the op's intent of converting since there was no mention of another drive availability thus my original repsonse - backup, format the ExFat, copy back to the newly formatted drive. Since we can't yet be sure about that (one way or the other), it's just as well that 'we' have provided a number of suggestions. Now the OP can chose what works best for him. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 07:31:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:38:19 +0100, John wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:39:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: At Amazon I see $55 and up, so comparable to a 1 GB hard drive. You mean comparable to a 1TeraByte (TB) drive, of course. There is no such animal as a 1GB drive available anywhere on this planet. 1GB USB sticks, yes. Those are almost too cheap to sell. Out of curiosity, I just checked prices on Amazon.com. A 1GB thumb drive is $3.52, and you can buy ten for $24.29 ($2.43 each). Yes, very cheap. But so small that I wouldn't want any. The other day I was suggesting to someone that he make a couple of emergency things on tiny thumb drives, and I only found one under 4 GB. He really only needed a hundred MB or so each, IIRC. That was on Amazon as well, so I guess I didn't look hard enough. It is a reminder that technology marches on, though. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:52:36 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Thanks, I thought it was a slang term and wouldn't be in the dictionary. Every (American English) dictionary I have includes slang. I'm too lazy to look in my OED (it's far away and heavy!). -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:11:24 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:38:19 +0100, John wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:39:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 23:12:58 +0100, lid wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:47:38 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:14:59 +0100, lid wrote: I'm trying to convert an EXFAT drive to NTFS. The Windows program CONVERT.EXE can't do it. C:\Users\Tadeuszconvert e: /fs:ntfs /nosecurity /x CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives. C:\Users\Tadeusz Is it possible to convert the drive using some other program, or must I reformat the drive with NTFS? It just occurred to me that you haven't specified what sort of drive this is. John's suggestion[1] is very simple and very easy, but I think he's assuming, as I did, that you're talking about a thumb drive of a few GB, not, say, a 2TB hard drive... The former are cheap, the latter not so much, unless you're wealthy. [1] Message-ID: The drive is 128 GB, SDXC card. It's designed to handle overflow from my internal 128 GB SSD. Particularly cygwin installation files. OK, then not so cheap... At Amazon I see $55 and up, so comparable to a 1 GB hard drive. You mean comparable to a 1TeraByte (TB) drive, of course. There is no such animal as a 1GB drive available anywhere on this planet. 1GB USB sticks, yes. Those are almost too cheap to sell. Yes, John - I meant 1 TB. T is so far along in the alphabet that I keep forgetting it exists. Or so it seems...I've made the same error before - rather recently, in fact. I've made the same error *many* times. But in my case it probably wasn't because T is so far along in the alphabet. g And for John, here's a 1GB drive available: https://plus.google.com/+YesIKnowThat/posts/V8jkhxtte9i At that price, I think I'll pass, though. |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:18:28 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:52:36 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: Thanks, I thought it was a slang term and wouldn't be in the dictionary. Every (American English) dictionary I have includes slang. But this is British, not American. g Yes, dictionaries include some slang, but *many* slang terms are not in them. I'm too lazy to look in my OED (it's far away and heavy!). You made me look it up in *my* OED. Yes, it's there. |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:33:20 +0100, John wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:18:28 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:52:36 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: Thanks, I thought it was a slang term and wouldn't be in the dictionary. Every (American English) dictionary I have includes slang. I'm too lazy to look in my OED (it's far away and heavy!). It's also just under your fingertips: http://www.oed.com/ Only if you pay $295 a year for a subscription. I would if it were much less expensive. Not the same as several very large books, which I find beautiful, rewarding and useful for killing velociraptors and zombies but far quicker to use on occasion. I keep a Britannica for the zombies, too. Yes, I'm one of those weird people who *read* it. Me too. I own both an Encyclopedia Britannica and an OEM (as well as many other dictionaries and other reference books). |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:29:05 +0100, John wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 07:39:07 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:34:52 +0100, John wrote: 2TB drives are less than a hundred bux. They are even less than a hundred UK quids. That's not "wealthy" territory. It's less than a tank of petrol (or "gas"). It may be less than a tank of petrol, but it's not less than a tank of gas (not unless you have a very large tank). g Here in the USA, a tank of gas for my car (a Toyota Corolla) typically costs me around $40. But an OT question for you. You wrote "a hundred UK quids." Is it common to say "quids" for the plural? I had thought it would be "a hundred quid." Yes, well, lamely humorous misuse of English doesn't always translate across continents. Oops. Sorry to have missed the intended humor. "Quids" is proper English but your are totally correct in that we never use it. Really? I was getting convinced that you did. |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:01:54 +0100, John wrote:
And for John, here's a 1GB drive available: https://plus.google.com/+YesIKnowThat/posts/V8jkhxtte9i It *exists*, I'll grant you that one but is it *available*? Could I wander over and buy the thing? Probably not. I didn't mean to suggest that you could. And are those RS232 connections? I don't think I've got an adaptor for them anywhere, now. That aside, some of the comments don't seem to support a 1GB drive being available in 1981 so the image could be bogus, or the label could be wrong. Validation? Okay, I was wrong and unduly pessimistic: Wrong only if your statement was taken very literally. My comment was meant jocularly. |
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"CONVERT is not available for EXFAT drives."
Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:18:28 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:52:36 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: Thanks, I thought it was a slang term and wouldn't be in the dictionary. Every (American English) dictionary I have includes slang. But this is British, not American. g Yes, dictionaries include some slang, but *many* slang terms are not in them. I'm too lazy to look in my OED (it's far away and heavy!). You made me look it up in *my* OED. Yes, it's there. I use the OED app. Lot faster than opening a book and paging through to Q. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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