2.5" SATA HD replacement options

On 6/24/2015 8:39 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/21/2015 6:45 AM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/16/2015 5:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:30 -0700, cameo
wrote:

On 6/15/2015 11:20 PM, . . .winston wrote:
cameo wrote:
On 6/15/2015 7:24 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:42:05 -0700, cameo
wrote:

I am sensing that my HP Pavillion tx1000 notebook's 250GB SATA drive's
days are numbered and I have been trying to find a new one to
replace it
with. However, this 5400 RPM Western Digital WD2500BEVS-60UST0 model
doesn't seem to be available at a reasonable price and most that pop up
in Google search are used. So I was wondering if perhaps I could look
for other 2.5" SATA models, maybe with higher capacity and higher
speed,
but I am worried what kind of compatibility problems I could face then.
Even if the electrical interface is the same, they might not fit into
the caddy the original drive is in. What about SATA II or SATA III
upgrades? Has any of you done this kind of laptop HD replacement and
could give me some pointers? Thanks.


Give serious thought to getting an SSD drive. I put one in to replace
a 5400 SATA drive in my old aspire one and it gave that old, formerly
very slow, net book a new lease on life. Like the proverbial night
and day.

I think you guys convinced me about going with an SSD drive. Googling
some more on the subject, I see that this is not as bad way to go as I
originally thought. Especially considering the speed improvement!
I use Acronis to make a full PC backup and that should make restore to
the SSD pretty easy. The only thing I'm not sure is how the Win7 OS
handles the difference in the drivers. After all, when I first time boot
up with the SSD, the previous SATA drivers will be useless.

Why would you need the earlier machine's SATA drivers if you are
building a new system with an SSD ?

If Win7 doesn't provide a SATA driver to operate in ACHI mode, you'll
need to provide one during the Windows setup and prior to installing
Windows....the drive needs to be ready for Windows to install.

Where did you read that I was building a new system? I'm just trying to

The following is what I saved from a post long time ago now.

---------------------------
First, open an Elevated Command Prompt window.

To open an Elevated Command Prompt window: Click on Start Orb Type
"CMD.exe" in Search box Right click on "CMD" and select "Run as
Administrator" (If you receive a prompt confirmation, click YES)

To verify the TRIM command is enabled, type the following and press
enter in the Elevated command:

fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify

The results will be as follows: DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM
commands are disabled) DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands
are enabled)

Thanks for this instruction and here is my result:
DisableDeleteNotify = 0

So, I guess, TRIM is enabled.

To enable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0

To disable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1

--------------------------------------

OK, so shoulc I change my setting, or not? Because I still don't
understand just what the TRIM option does.

On 6/24/2015 8:39 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/21/2015 6:45 AM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/16/2015 5:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:30 -0700, cameo
wrote:

On 6/15/2015 11:20 PM, . . .winston wrote:
cameo wrote:
On 6/15/2015 7:24 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:42:05 -0700, cameo
wrote:

I am sensing that my HP Pavillion tx1000 notebook's 250GB SATA drive's
days are numbered and I have been trying to find a new one to
replace it
with. However, this 5400 RPM Western Digital WD2500BEVS-60UST0 model
doesn't seem to be available at a reasonable price and most that pop up
in Google search are used. So I was wondering if perhaps I could look
for other 2.5" SATA models, maybe with higher capacity and higher
speed,
but I am worried what kind of compatibility problems I could face then.
Even if the electrical interface is the same, they might not fit into
the caddy the original drive is in. What about SATA II or SATA III
upgrades? Has any of you done this kind of laptop HD replacement and
could give me some pointers? Thanks.


Give serious thought to getting an SSD drive. I put one in to replace
a 5400 SATA drive in my old aspire one and it gave that old, formerly
very slow, net book a new lease on life. Like the proverbial night
and day.

I think you guys convinced me about going with an SSD drive. Googling
some more on the subject, I see that this is not as bad way to go as I
originally thought. Especially considering the speed improvement!
I use Acronis to make a full PC backup and that should make restore to
the SSD pretty easy. The only thing I'm not sure is how the Win7 OS
handles the difference in the drivers. After all, when I first time boot
up with the SSD, the previous SATA drivers will be useless.

Why would you need the earlier machine's SATA drivers if you are
building a new system with an SSD ?

If Win7 doesn't provide a SATA driver to operate in ACHI mode, you'll
need to provide one during the Windows setup and prior to installing
Windows....the drive needs to be ready for Windows to install.

Where did you read that I was building a new system? I'm just trying to

The following is what I saved from a post long time ago now.

---------------------------
First, open an Elevated Command Prompt window.

To open an Elevated Command Prompt window: Click on Start Orb Type
"CMD.exe" in Search box Right click on "CMD" and select "Run as
Administrator" (If you receive a prompt confirmation, click YES)

To verify the TRIM command is enabled, type the following and press
enter in the Elevated command:

fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify

The results will be as follows: DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM
commands are disabled) DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands
are enabled)

To enable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0

To disable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1

--------------------------------------

Never mind my question about what TRIM was about. I've just found a good
explanation for it on the web.

cameo wrote:

Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system always
got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is that the
storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought only my
graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150.

The two chips in the chipset.

http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg

A poorly labeled block diagram.

http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg

I put some labels on the diagram.

http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif

The storage controller is from NVidia. It's
a block inside the 430.

Paul

cameo wrote:
On 6/24/2015 8:39 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/21/2015 6:45 AM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/16/2015 5:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:30 -0700, cameo
wrote:

On 6/15/2015 11:20 PM, . . .winston wrote:
cameo wrote:
On 6/15/2015 7:24 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:42:05 -0700, cameo
wrote:

I am sensing that my HP Pavillion tx1000 notebook's 250GB
SATA drive's
days are numbered and I have been trying to find a new one to
replace it
with. However, this 5400 RPM Western Digital
WD2500BEVS-60UST0 model
doesn't seem to be available at a reasonable price and most
that pop up
in Google search are used. So I was wondering if perhaps I
could look
for other 2.5" SATA models, maybe with higher capacity and
higher
speed,
but I am worried what kind of compatibility problems I could
face then.
Even if the electrical interface is the same, they might not
fit into
the caddy the original drive is in. What about SATA II or
SATA III
upgrades? Has any of you done this kind of laptop HD
replacement and
could give me some pointers? Thanks.


Give serious thought to getting an SSD drive. I put one in to
replace
a 5400 SATA drive in my old aspire one and it gave that old,
formerly
very slow, net book a new lease on life. Like the proverbial
night
and day.

I think you guys convinced me about going with an SSD drive.
Googling
some more on the subject, I see that this is not as bad way to
go as I
originally thought. Especially considering the speed improvement!
I use Acronis to make a full PC backup and that should make
restore to
the SSD pretty easy. The only thing I'm not sure is how the
Win7 OS
handles the difference in the drivers. After all, when I first
time boot
up with the SSD, the previous SATA drivers will be useless.

Why would you need the earlier machine's SATA drivers if you are
building a new system with an SSD ?

If Win7 doesn't provide a SATA driver to operate in ACHI mode,
you'll
need to provide one during the Windows setup and prior to
installing
Windows....the drive needs to be ready for Windows to install.

Where did you read that I was building a new system? I'm just
trying to

The following is what I saved from a post long time ago now.

---------------------------
First, open an Elevated Command Prompt window.

To open an Elevated Command Prompt window: Click on Start Orb Type
"CMD.exe" in Search box Right click on "CMD" and select "Run as
Administrator" (If you receive a prompt confirmation, click YES)

To verify the TRIM command is enabled, type the following and press
enter in the Elevated command:

fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify

The results will be as follows: DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM
commands are disabled) DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands
are enabled)

Thanks for this instruction and here is my result:
DisableDeleteNotify = 0

So, I guess, TRIM is enabled.

To enable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0

To disable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1

--------------------------------------

OK, so shoulc I change my setting, or not? Because I still don't
understand just what the TRIM option does.



TRIM alerts the SSD, that a file was just deleted, and
certain LBAs (logical block addresses) are now free. The
SSD can "erase" the blocks, and put them in the "free" pile.
When you write a new file a couple minutes from now, the
blocks are ready to be used.

Hard drives don't work that way. When a file is deleted on
a hard drive, the sectors containing the data clusters
are just left sitting there. The OS overwrites them at
some point, and the overwrite takes care of erasure.

The trick with SSDs, is they work best with large amounts
of slack space. That keeps the perceived performance level
high. The write speed in megabytes per second, is as fast
at the end of the day, as it was at the beginning of the day.
Because the TRIM protocol keeps the SSD advised as to what
blocks are really free. Otherwise, the SSD uses pessimistic
assumptions about what is free, and the SSD is then under
more pressure to provide free and clean blocks.

*******

The reason you're checking TRIM status at the moment,
is to see whether the Samsung software is complaining
about something real or not. If TRIM was operational,
and you were getting the warning, then we'd have to work
harder to find an explanation for you. If TRIM is turned
off, then the warning could be about TRIM. This is one
of the perils of inexact error messages. The software
should say something like "Warning: I just tested TRIM,
and TRIM doesn't seem to be working". Or "I attempted
SATA I/O operations to the SSD drive, and I am unable
to get even the identity string from it, let alone
anything else". Which would tell you there is
a serious I/O problem, and not a TRIM problem.

Paul

On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:02:33 -0400, Paul wrote:

cameo wrote:

Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system always
got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is that the
storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought only my
graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150.

The two chips in the chipset.

http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg

A poorly labeled block diagram.

http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg

I put some labels on the diagram.

http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif

The storage controller is from NVidia. It's
a block inside the 430.

Testing whether it's possible to link directly to the image, without the
usual garbage that tinypic wants us to see:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/33faiky.jpg


--

Char Jackson

On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote:

Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system
always got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is
that the storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought
only my graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150.

The two chips in the chipset.

http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg


A poorly labeled block diagram.

http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg

I put some labels on the diagram.

http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif

The storage controller is from NVidia. It's
a block inside the 430.

Paul
Thanks. That makes itt much clearer to me. However, when you are talking
about two chips in a chipset does that mean two physical chips that I
can see on the mother board or just one that contains two chips?
Because I can only see one that is slightly smaller than the AMD Turion
64 CPU chip. I've rpdated the heatsink once over the GPU myself.

On 6/25/2015 11:11 AM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote:
On 6/24/2015 8:39 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/21/2015 6:45 AM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 6/16/2015 5:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:20:30 -0700, cameo
wrote:

On 6/15/2015 11:20 PM, . . .winston wrote:
cameo wrote:
On 6/15/2015 7:24 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:42:05 -0700, cameo
wrote:

I am sensing that my HP Pavillion tx1000 notebook's 250GB
SATA drive's
days are numbered and I have been trying to find a new one to
replace it
with. However, this 5400 RPM Western Digital
WD2500BEVS-60UST0 model
doesn't seem to be available at a reasonable price and most
that pop up
in Google search are used. So I was wondering if perhaps I
could look
for other 2.5" SATA models, maybe with higher capacity and
higher
speed,
but I am worried what kind of compatibility problems I could
face then.
Even if the electrical interface is the same, they might not
fit into
the caddy the original drive is in. What about SATA II or
SATA III
upgrades? Has any of you done this kind of laptop HD
replacement and
could give me some pointers? Thanks.


Give serious thought to getting an SSD drive. I put one in
to replace
a 5400 SATA drive in my old aspire one and it gave that old,
formerly
very slow, net book a new lease on life. Like the
proverbial night
and day.

I think you guys convinced me about going with an SSD drive.
Googling
some more on the subject, I see that this is not as bad way to
go as I
originally thought. Especially considering the speed improvement!
I use Acronis to make a full PC backup and that should make
restore to
the SSD pretty easy. The only thing I'm not sure is how the
Win7 OS
handles the difference in the drivers. After all, when I first
time boot
up with the SSD, the previous SATA drivers will be useless.

Why would you need the earlier machine's SATA drivers if you are
building a new system with an SSD ?

If Win7 doesn't provide a SATA driver to operate in ACHI mode,
you'll
need to provide one during the Windows setup and prior to
installing
Windows....the drive needs to be ready for Windows to install.

Where did you read that I was building a new system? I'm just
trying to

The following is what I saved from a post long time ago now.

---------------------------
First, open an Elevated Command Prompt window.

To open an Elevated Command Prompt window: Click on Start Orb Type
"CMD.exe" in Search box Right click on "CMD" and select "Run as
Administrator" (If you receive a prompt confirmation, click YES)

To verify the TRIM command is enabled, type the following and press
enter in the Elevated command:

fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify

The results will be as follows: DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM
commands are disabled) DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands
are enabled)

Thanks for this instruction and here is my result:
DisableDeleteNotify = 0

So, I guess, TRIM is enabled.

To enable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0

To disable the TRIM command, type the following and press enter in the
Elevated command:

fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1

--------------------------------------

OK, so shoulc I change my setting, or not? Because I still don't
understand just what the TRIM option does.



TRIM alerts the SSD, that a file was just deleted, and
certain LBAs (logical block addresses) are now free. The
SSD can "erase" the blocks, and put them in the "free" pile.
When you write a new file a couple minutes from now, the
blocks are ready to be used.

Hard drives don't work that way. When a file is deleted on
a hard drive, the sectors containing the data clusters
are just left sitting there. The OS overwrites them at
some point, and the overwrite takes care of erasure.

The trick with SSDs, is they work best with large amounts
of slack space. That keeps the perceived performance level
high. The write speed in megabytes per second, is as fast
at the end of the day, as it was at the beginning of the day.
Because the TRIM protocol keeps the SSD advised as to what
blocks are really free. Otherwise, the SSD uses pessimistic
assumptions about what is free, and the SSD is then under
more pressure to provide free and clean blocks.

*******

The reason you're checking TRIM status at the moment,
is to see whether the Samsung software is complaining
about something real or not. If TRIM was operational,
and you were getting the warning, then we'd have to work
harder to find an explanation for you. If TRIM is turned
off, then the warning could be about TRIM. This is one
of the perils of inexact error messages. The software
should say something like "Warning: I just tested TRIM,
and TRIM doesn't seem to be working". Or "I attempted
SATA I/O operations to the SSD drive, and I am unable
to get even the identity string from it, let alone
anything else". Which would tell you there is
a serious I/O problem, and not a TRIM problem.

Paul
Thanks again. I've known how regular hard disk handled deletions but how
SSD does it is new to me. Had I known about the benefits of large slack
space, I would have bought a larger SSD.

cameo wrote:
On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote:

Hm, most of this is over my head, I'm afraid. But yes, my system
always got the latest updates/patches. What is surprising to me is
that the storage controller is from NVIDIA because until now I thought
only my graphics controller was from NVIDIA; the GeForce Go 6150.

The two chips in the chipset.

http://img.clubic.com/00207102-photo...nforce-430.jpg



A poorly labeled block diagram.

http://img.clubic.com/00207522-photo...ck-diagram.jpg


I put some labels on the diagram.

http://i61.tinypic.com/33faiky.gif

The storage controller is from NVidia. It's
a block inside the 430.

Paul
Thanks. That makes itt much clearer to me. However, when you are talking
about two chips in a chipset does that mean two physical chips that I
can see on the mother board or just one that contains two chips?
Because I can only see one that is slightly smaller than the AMD Turion
64 CPU chip. I've rpdated the heatsink once over the GPU myself.

Since the 6150 is a GPU, there's a good chance it will
need a heatsink.

The 430, a Southbridge, may or may not need a heatsink. If the
chip dissipates more than a couple watts, a heatsink is a good idea.

And note that the labeling on the chip itself, uses
an internal NVidia numbering scheme. Like maybe C51G.
So the 6150 and 430 numbers, don't necessarily appear
on the top of the chip. The C51G is presumably the
designation as the chip goes to the fab for manufacturing.
Sometimes a review article will mention the real chip numbers.

Paul