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Old June 25th 15, 10:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Linea Recta[_2_]
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Default F8 confusion

When I press F8 right after rebooting, I get a (blue) boot menu where I can
choose from all devices to boot from. Very handy when I want to use the
bootable USB stick.
This menu is also a good woork around for the error "reboot and select
proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device". I can't
get the bios boot priorities configued correctly.

So I was very surprised to find the following information, also using F8 for
a very different "Windows boot options". (black screen)
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...t-options.html

How can this be?



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Old June 26th 15, 01:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
JT[_6_]
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Default F8 confusion

Linea,
The first F8 is a Boot menu from the BIOS you can choose BEFORE
The O/S starts to load. The second F8 shows you the Advanced Boot
Options menu in Windows 7. You cannot get to the second F8 until
the boot process starts. This can be tricky and may take a few
attempts. Try tapping the F8 key as soon as the BIOS Splash
screen disappears.

HTH

JT




Linea Recta wrote:

When I press F8 right after rebooting, I get a (blue) boot menu where
I can choose from all devices to boot from. Very handy when I want to
use the bootable USB stick. This menu is also a good woork around
for the error "reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot
media in selected boot device". I can't get the bios boot priorities
configued correctly.

So I was very surprised to find the following information, also using
F8 for a very different "Windows boot options". (black screen)
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...t-options.html

How can this be?


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Old June 26th 15, 11:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Linea Recta[_2_]
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"JT" schreef in bericht
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Linea,
The first F8 is a Boot menu from the BIOS you can choose BEFORE
The O/S starts to load. The second F8 shows you the Advanced Boot
Options menu in Windows 7. You cannot get to the second F8 until
the boot process starts. This can be tricky and may take a few
attempts. Try tapping the F8 key as soon as the BIOS Splash
screen disappears.



Yes, I guess I wasn't expecting a whole different option from the same F8
key just seconds apart. And timing is very tricky indeed...

The reason I got involved in all this is because of testing a bootable USB
stick. It seems to work OK but the boot priority setting in the BIOS seem to
change all by itself after removing the USB stick. I suppose they call it a
"feature"...


thanks,


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Old June 26th 15, 12:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
NY
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"Linea Recta" wrote in message
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"JT" schreef in bericht
...
Linea,
The first F8 is a Boot menu from the BIOS you can choose BEFORE
The O/S starts to load. The second F8 shows you the Advanced Boot
Options menu in Windows 7. You cannot get to the second F8 until
the boot process starts. This can be tricky and may take a few
attempts. Try tapping the F8 key as soon as the BIOS Splash
screen disappears.



Yes, I guess I wasn't expecting a whole different option from the same F8
key just seconds apart. And timing is very tricky indeed...

The reason I got involved in all this is because of testing a bootable USB
stick. It seems to work OK but the boot priority setting in the BIOS seem
to change all by itself after removing the USB stick. I suppose they call
it a "feature"...


You'd think the makers of the PC would have chosen *any* key (F1, F2, Del)
other than F8 for going into the BIOS, since F8 is well-known as the way of
entering the Windows boot menu.

I wish all PC manufacturers would use the same key for the BIOS so you don't
have to press all the F keys, Del and Esc to try to find one which enters
the BIOS menu. At least some PCs say "Del = BIOS" etc on the BIOS splash
screen.

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Old June 26th 15, 04:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Linea Recta[_2_]
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"NY" schreef in bericht
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"Linea Recta" wrote in message
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"JT" schreef in bericht
...
Linea,
The first F8 is a Boot menu from the BIOS you can choose BEFORE
The O/S starts to load. The second F8 shows you the Advanced Boot
Options menu in Windows 7. You cannot get to the second F8 until
the boot process starts. This can be tricky and may take a few
attempts. Try tapping the F8 key as soon as the BIOS Splash
screen disappears.



Yes, I guess I wasn't expecting a whole different option from the same F8
key just seconds apart. And timing is very tricky indeed...

The reason I got involved in all this is because of testing a bootable
USB stick. It seems to work OK but the boot priority setting in the BIOS
seem to change all by itself after removing the USB stick. I suppose they
call it a "feature"...


You'd think the makers of the PC would have chosen *any* key (F1, F2, Del)
other than F8 for going into the BIOS, since F8 is well-known as the way
of entering the Windows boot menu.

I wish all PC manufacturers would use the same key for the BIOS so you
don't have to press all the F keys, Del and Esc to try to find one which
enters the BIOS menu. At least some PCs say "Del = BIOS" etc on the BIOS
splash screen.




Exactly. E.g. on my PC I have to press Del for BIOS setup. But when using my
notebook I have to press F2 to get the BIOS setup. And I'm supposed to
remember all this random crap. Apparently standardisation is unheard of...


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Old June 26th 15, 06:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default F8 confusion

On 06/25/2015 04:19 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
When I press F8 right after rebooting, I get a (blue) boot menu where I
can choose from all devices to boot from. Very handy when I want to use
the bootable USB stick.

This menu is also a good woork around for the error "reboot and select
proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device". I
can't get the bios boot priorities configued correctly.

So I was very surprised to find the following information, also using F8
for a very different "Windows boot options". (black screen)
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...t-options.html

How can this be?


Your system starts.

Firmware (BIOS or UEFI) in in control.

Firmware intercepts F8 (this is the first time I've seen F8 here, it's
usually F11 or F12), pressing F8 gives boot menu.

You select (or allow) booting Windows.

Firmware disables F8, since it's past the point of that making sense.

Windows starts.

Windows intercepts F8, giving the other menu if you press F8.

****

Press F8 as system starts, get boot device menu.
Press F8 as Windows starts, get Windows boot menu.

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Old June 26th 15, 06:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 06/26/2015 05:46 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
"JT" schreef in bericht
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Linea,
The first F8 is a Boot menu from the BIOS you can choose BEFORE
The O/S starts to load. The second F8 shows you the Advanced Boot
Options menu in Windows 7. You cannot get to the second F8 until
the boot process starts. This can be tricky and may take a few
attempts. Try tapping the F8 key as soon as the BIOS Splash
screen disappears.



Yes, I guess I wasn't expecting a whole different option from the same
F8 key just seconds apart. And timing is very tricky indeed...


Many systems do boot too fast for you to read the instructions (or hide
the text while booting), so you can't read the message like "press F8
for boot menu", and have to press F8 quickly.

I find that on most PCs with this feature, it works to press the key (F8
in your case) BEFORE turning the PC on, and hold it down until something
happens.

If you want the Windows menu, it should be easy to notice the
appropriate time.

The reason I got involved in all this is because of testing a bootable
USB stick. It seems to work OK but the boot priority setting in the BIOS
seem to change all by itself after removing the USB stick. I suppose
they call it a "feature"...


If the setting didn't change, you'd get an error since it can't boot
from a device that's not connected.


thanks,




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fact we have ignorance, and by doing so generates a kind of impertinent
insolence towards the universe" - Bertrand Russell
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Old June 26th 15, 06:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default F8 confusion

On 06/26/2015 06:42 AM, NY wrote:

[snip]

I wish all PC manufacturers would use the same key for the BIOS so you
don't have to press all the F keys, Del and Esc to try to find one which
enters the BIOS menu. At least some PCs say "Del = BIOS" etc on the BIOS
splash screen.


AFAIK, they all have such a message, although many hide it with a
picture, or show it too quickly to read.

On a lot of computers, I would turn it on and press the keys:

ESC, F1, F2, DEL, ESC, F1, F2, DEL, ESC, F1, F2, DEL, ESC, F1, F2, DEL, ...

Hoping to get into setup. Once I find out which key to use, it's easier.

BTW, modern systems with UEFI rather than BIOS may accept a key like
that. I have 4 UEFI computers and they all do (some F2, some DEL). The
boot menu is either F11 or F12.

BTW2, I also have an older (Pentiun-166, 128M RAM) system with no way to
enter setup except to disconnect the hard drive.

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fact we have ignorance, and by doing so generates a kind of impertinent
insolence towards the universe" - Bertrand Russell
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Old June 27th 15, 10:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default F8 confusion

In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:
On 06/26/2015 05:46 AM, Linea Recta wrote:

[]
The reason I got involved in all this is because of testing a bootable
USB stick. It seems to work OK but the boot priority setting in the BIOS
seem to change all by itself after removing the USB stick. I suppose
they call it a "feature"...


On some systems, changes to boot sequence are (or can be) a "one time"
setting, reverting after that one time; the permanent change option is
usually there too, if you look for it.

If the setting didn't change, you'd get an error since it can't boot
from a device that's not connected.

[]
True, but I haven't seen a system for some time that didn't offer a boot
_sequence_ - i. e. it tries one, then another, until it finds something
that can be booted from, rather than only trying one and giving an error
if that one's not bootable. The BIOS menu lets you change the order in
which it looks, rather than just the sole device.
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