No Linux-based OS can do this.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 15:23:13 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ?

No Linux-based OS can do:

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

At least not easily.

And that's my point.

On 8/30/19 3:52 PM, Fang Yong wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 15:23:13 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ?

No Linux-based OS can do:

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

At least not easily.

And that's my point.


I have not found anything even similar to this on Linux:

https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY

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On 8/30/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ?

No Linux-based OS can do:

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG


With your setup can you have the same button do different things based
on the program you are in? For example, I use my thumb buttons for
"Next" and "Previous", but what exactly this means -- and what hot keys
to use -- is different per program. Sometimes it is next and previous
tabs, other times next and previous messages, etc.

And I use the middle mouse button to "Show" and "Hide" but what that
means depends on the context.

I talk about this some here, though it is a couple years old and a bit
outdated:

https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY

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On 8/30/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ?

No Linux-based OS can do:

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG


Hi Jeff,

Holy poop!

I have had multi buttons on my mice before. Drives me insane.
I can't remember what does what from day to day. Two
buttons and a middle button roller ball is max for me.

And I have never need anything else, which is probably why
I can't remember what those other buttons are suppose to do.

Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards. I use the first two EXTENSIVELY
and have to constantly look up the other two. When I am working
on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard. What a loss
of productivity.

Both Windows and Linux have their strengths and weaknesses

And HOLY POOP!

-T

On 8/30/19 6:11 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc.Â* Tell me, can Linux do this ?

No Linux-based OS can do:

Â*Â* http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG


Hi Jeff,

Holy poop!

I have had multi buttons on my mice before.Â* Drives me insane.
I can't remember what does what from day to day.Â* Two
buttons and a middle button roller ball is max for me.

And I have never need anything else, which is probably why
I can't remember what those other buttons are suppose to do.

I like the next and previous thumb buttons... and sometimes use the
other "non-standard" ones on my 8-button mouse (one of them hides
programs and I use that quite a bit).

Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards.Â* I use the first two EXTENSIVELY
and have to constantly look up the other two.Â* When I am working
on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard.Â* What a loss
of productivity.

I get the value of a good clipboard manager... but why two clipboards?
Not saying you are wrong, just curious how you use them.

Both Windows and Linux have their strengths and weaknesses

And HOLY POOP!

-T



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On 8/30/19 7:19 PM, Snit wrote:
I get the value of a good clipboard manager... but why two clipboards?
NotÂ*sayingÂ*youÂ*areÂ*wrong,Â*justÂ*curiousÂ*how *youÂ*useÂ*them.

Hi Snit,

This is a document on how to use the Secondary Selection
clipboard. Scroll down to the video and he will go
over all four with examples

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/sec...selection.html


I wrote a module in Perl 6 to read and write to the
main to clipboards:

Usage examples:

WritePrimaryClipboard ("abc"); # Mouse over
WriteSecondaryClipboard ('xyz'); # ctrlc

my $PClip = ReadPrimaryClipboard(); # Center click
my $SClip = ReadSecondaryClipboard(); # ctrlv

-T

On 8/30/19 8:32 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 7:19 PM, Snit wrote:
I get the value of a good clipboard manager... but why two clipboards?
NotÂ*sayingÂ*youÂ*areÂ*wrong,Â*justÂ*curiousÂ*how *youÂ*useÂ*them.

Hi Snit,

This is a document on how to use the Secondary Selection
clipboard.Â* Scroll down to the video and he will go
over all four with examples

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/sec...selection.html

He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I
quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program
uses.

BUT, of course to each their own. I am not in any way saying you are
wrong FOR YOU.

What I do would not work for many -- I use the middle button for
"hide/show" in a lot of programs, and to open links in a new tab for
other programs.

I wrote a module in Perl 6 to read and write to the
main to clipboards:

Â* Usage examples:

Â*Â*Â*Â* WritePrimaryClipboard ("abc");Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # Mouse over
Â*Â*Â*Â* WriteSecondaryClipboard ('xyz');Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # ctrlc

Â*Â*Â*Â* my $PClipÂ*Â* = ReadPrimaryClipboard();Â*Â*Â* # Center click
Â*Â*Â*Â* my $SClipÂ*Â* = ReadSecondaryClipboard();Â* # ctrlv

-T



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On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I
quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program
uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard. You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard. I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

In article , T wrote:

Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards. I use the first two EXTENSIVELY
and have to constantly look up the other two. When I am working
on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard. What a loss
of productivity.

Open an untitled file in TextEdit and drag/drop in and out of it. You can have
as many clipboards as you want.

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T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I
quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program
uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do with
a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then
copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste
the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even
copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much
different).

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard. You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see what
you are saying.

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard. I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases — but
would not want to give up my middle click for it.

A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit.

Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example.



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On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ?

Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by
binding commands to keys and buttons.
For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24
different commands can be run.

I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple
picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need the
key modifier.

And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it.

No Linux-based OS can do:

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

I hate everything about your mouse. gag

On 8/31/19 12:36 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote:
On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc.Â* Tell me, can Linux do this ?

Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by
binding commands to keys and buttons.
For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24
different commands can be run.

I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple
picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need the
key modifier.

And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it.

Can you set buttons based on what program you are in? For example, set
the thumb buttons (on mice which have them) to be next and previous tabs
or messages in different programs?

No Linux-based OS can do:

Â*Â* http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

I hate everything about your mouse. gag


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On 8/30/19 11:53 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article , T wrote:

Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards. I use the first two EXTENSIVELY
and have to constantly look up the other two. When I am working
on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard. What a loss
of productivity.

Open an untitled file in TextEdit and drag/drop in and out of it. You can have
as many clipboards as you want.


I am currently using CopyLess 2 on macOS... here is how I would do the
task shown:

https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78

Really pretty easy with even free (no cost) tools. If you look at my
video you can see I do not even have the "pro" (paid) version which
gives extra goodies.



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On 8/30/19 10:39 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when
I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the
program uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

Sorry to respond a second time to your message, but in case you missed
it, here is how I would do the "foo bar baz" task:

https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78

I use only one clipboard, but it has a memory and hot keys to allow me
to paste things in reverse order. And on macOS the terminal uses the
same hotkeys (the hot keys are Command and not Control, so this is not
an issue).

AGAIN, though, to each their own... just sharing how I do stuff.

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 18:11:54 -0700, T wrote:


Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards.


Linux has ZERO "clipboards." The idea of a "clipboard" is
only a cheesy Micro**** invention.

In X Window, clipboards are called SELECTIONS.

X Window has THREE _standard_ SELECTIONS, one of which is
called the "clipboard." (But X actually has ZERO selections
as explained below.)

In X, selections are defined by the client (i.e. user program).
X acts only as a broker between clients. This idea, in contrast
to Micro**** Winblows, is far more flexible and powerful.

However, any number of selections can be defined by a client and
therefore, in principle, X can have an ARBITRARY number of selections.

Of course, if an X client (i.e. user program) wished to
define a selection (a.k.a. clipboard) known as "MY_CLIPBOARD"
then other clients would need to know about this selection
type in advance.

The standard selections, primary, secondary, and clipboard,
are already known to X clients.

Don't forget that X does not emulate Micro**** Winblows.
The selection principle is fundamentally different.

But X actually has ZERO selections (i.e. clipboards). A selection
is owned (i.e. created) by a client and once the client terminates
so does the selection. X does not maintain the selection; it only
transfers selections between clients.

In summary:

In X, clipboard = selection.

X defines three standard selection types for clients to use,
but any client is free to set up its own selection type.

X does not actually maintain or store selections; it only
transfers them between clients. The client will set up
a selection and then store data within it, and the format
of the data can be anything.