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Old November 11th 18, 06:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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With no limitations and can handle live videos on screens to record in
web browsers. Also, it has to work well on a decade old updated 64-bit
W7 HPE SP1 PC with 6 GB of RAM and ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of
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Old November 11th 18, 08:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 09:48:45 -0800, Ant wrote:

With no limitations and can handle live videos on screens to record in
web browsers. Also, it has to work well on a decade old updated 64-bit
W7 HPE SP1 PC with 6 GB of RAM and ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of
RAM).


I favor FastStone's FSCapture, but it's not free.

Try this:

http://www.gilisoft.com/free-screen-recorder.htm

I've used Gilisoft products in the past, and they are
reasonably good (their RAMDisk crashes a lot). But their video
products are OK.
Not sure what the limitations are vs the PRO version. If you
do try it, some feedback would be nice.
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Old November 11th 18, 10:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:07:31 -0200, Shadow wrote:

Not sure what the limitations are vs the PRO version. If you
do try it, some feedback would be nice.


It's a good question of which free screen recorder is best on Windows.

Of course, the limitations matter greatly, where
o It should be truly free (open source is good, no trialware accepted)
o It should have zero ads
o It should record any length of time
o It should have no watermark
o It should work offline
o It should handle common formats
o It should not require registration
o etc.

I don't use them, where I would ask folks who use them to comment
since we learn most from users of the software whose opinions we trust.

I wonder if one of the freeware classics (like vlc, irfanview?, ffmpeg?
shotcut?) can be used in a script to capture the screen in enough screens
per second to count as video?

What would a minimum number of screens per second would we need anyway?

Googling, I see these (I searched for "freeware screen recorder windows"):
The best free screen recorder 2018 | TechRadar
https://www.techradar.com/news/the-best-free-screen-recorder
1. OBS Studio https://obsproject.com/download
2. Flashback Express https://www.flashbackrecorder.com/express/
3. Debut Video Capture https://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html
4. ShareX https://getsharex.com/

Generally, I look at a few "best" lists to see which overlap.
To that end, let's look at this next Windows freeware listing...

8 Free Screen Recording Software For Windows 10 | 2018 Edition
https://fossbytes.com/best-screen-recorder-windows-free/
1. VLC https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.php
2. Game DVR https://github.com/FunkyFr3sh/GameDVR_Config
3. OBS Studio https://obsproject.com/download
4. Flashback Express https://www.flashbackrecorder.com/express/
5. ApowerREC https://www.apowersoft.com/record-all-screen
3. TinyTake (5m) https://tinytake.com/tinytake-download
7. XSplit Broadcaster https://www.xsplit.com/broadcaster

Well, that's scary in that there isn't a whole lot of overlap.
That's generally bad news, when it comes to functional freeware.

Moving to a third listing, we need a better venn overlap...
5 Best Free Screen Recorder For Windows of 2018
https://www.viralhax.com/best-free-screen-recorder/
1. ApowerREC https://www.apowersoft.com/record-all-screen
3. TinyTake (5m) https://tinytake.com/tinytake-download
3. Icecream (10m webm) https://icecreamapps.com/Screen-Recorder/
4. XSplit Broadcaster https://www.xsplit.com/broadcaster
5. CamStudio https://camstudio.org/

Let's try more, because we need more overlap to save test efforts:
Top 10 Screen Recording Software for Windows

https://elearningbrothers.com/blog/top-10-screen-recording-software-for-windows/
1. DVDVideoSoft
https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-Screen-Video-Recorder.htm
2. CamStudio https://camstudio.org/
3. Ezvid https://www.ezvid.com
4. TinyTake (5m) https://tinytake.com/tinytake-download
5. SmartPixel (watermark) http://www.smartpixel.com/
6. Icecream (10m webm) https://icecreamapps.com/Screen-Recorder/
7. Screencast-o-matic (15m, watermark) https://screencast-o-matic.com/
8. iSpring Free Cam (wmv)
https://www.ispringsolutions.com/ispring-free-cam

Let's try one more, because the overlap can save time & effort:
Best Free Screen Recorders, Lifewire
https://www.lifewire.com/best-free-screen-recorders-4151715
1. OBS Studio https://obsproject.com/download
2. Flashback Express https://www.flashbackrecorder.com/express/
3. TinyTake (5m) https://tinytake.com/tinytake-download
4. Icecream (10m webm) https://icecreamapps.com/Screen-Recorder/


Finally we begin to have some overlap (assuming independent reviews).
Which do you trust?
Dunno.
Everyone loves VLC, so that would be the first I'd test.

But I'd defer, as always, to someone I trust who uses this stuff daily.
That lessens the immense cost of freeware (which is the cost of picking the
best one).
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Old November 12th 18, 09:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ant wrote:
With no limitations and can handle live videos on screens to record in
web browsers. Also, it has to work well on a decade old updated 64-bit
W7 HPE SP1 PC with 6 GB of RAM and ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of
RAM).


"can handle live videos"

That's a problem right there.

It's one thing to find some piece-of-crap recorder
with a convenient feature set.

It's quite another to solve the sampling rate
problem and the non-linear drift of video and
audio in the time base. I've got recordings
here, that I couldn't "re-align" the video and
audio to fix it later. I couldn't even tell how
many seconds the audio was off by, it was that bad.

Movie playback in a browser, doesn't use VSYNC.

Screen recording doesn't use VSYNC. It typically
accesses the double buffer that feeds the screen.

The sampling jitter is so bad, that if you
run the (asynchronous) capture speed 3x faster
than normal, the number-of-identical-frames
in a row varies from 1 to 5. This means that
the hardware does a ****-poor job of sampling
the browser video playback.

By all means, play with the various tools. It
won't matter whether you pay $0 for a tool,
or $39.95 for a tool, the output will suck.

I would love to be proven wrong.

*******

When recording content, the programs creating the
content should have "hardware acceleration" turned off.
For example, if you were recording Adobe Flash video,
right-click the render surface and bring up the
Preferences. Untick hardware acceleration. Only then
will your run-of-the-mill recorder get something other
than a black or green square.

The program FRAPS could record from all three render
planes. You could record games with it. It "cheats"
by injecting a DLL into each and every Program Files
folder. However, Win8 and Win10 have "Hollywood-grade
armor", including the ability to limit GRIGRAB to
30FPS. FRAPS might run OK in Windows 7 (Windows 7 would
be my First Choice for this project). If you're lucky,
there might be a trial you can test, before spending
money on it. Your AV will *hate it* when FRAPS installs,
as the AV will think FRAPS is putting the computer "under
attack". You'll have to turn off real-time scanning during
the installation.

But FRAPS still isn't likely to solve any sampling-theorem
problems. What FRAPS might allow, is leaving hardware
acceleration enabled or something. It's really a question
of what the "interception method" that FRAPS uses, is
effective against the various video wrapper softwares
used out there (BrightCove or similar).

https://support.brightcove.com/overv...ent-protection

*******

If you run the HDMI connector on your computer into an
HDMI capture card, that will capture based on VSYNC. The
capture card will be synchronous to the frame rate the
video card is using (somewhere between 59 and 61 FPS,
and a function of the modeline perhaps - the number doesn't
have to be precisely 60.00Hz or 59.94Hz either). However, this
still doesn't solve the problem of the "sloppy job"
the web browser, the Flash container, the Flash itself
causes. Some cards were limited to 1920p30, but you
keep seeing products claiming to break that barrier and
do 1920p60. Maybe $500 would buy a product capable of
p60. You need a Chinese HDCP removal box, for any
capture card to capture HDCP protected content.

*******

Modern video cards have furthered the study of protecting
content. There are video cards now which prevent making
copies of video card internal memory. And this means
the "good guys" are quite far ahead of the people trying
to copy content.

When I started playing with this stuff, I naively
thought "it would be easy". I guess it all depends
on what you plan to do with the output, as to what
captures will be acceptable to you.

See the section on "Malicious software" before you get too
excited by some of these products.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio

Paul
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Old November 12th 18, 01:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware
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In message , Arlen_Holder
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It's a good question of which free screen recorder is best on Windows.

Of course, the limitations matter greatly, where
o It should be truly free (open source is good, no trialware accepted)
o It should have zero ads
o It should record any length of time
o It should have no watermark

(Or let _you_ specify your own, as the one mentioned in another post in
this thread does)
o It should work offline
o It should handle common formats
o It should not require registration
o etc.


A good wishlist (-:!
[]
I wonder if one of the freeware classics (like vlc, irfanview?, ffmpeg?
shotcut?) can be used in a script to capture the screen in enough screens
per second to count as video?

What would a minimum number of screens per second would we need anyway?

[]
An interesting seed for discussion.

It depends what you're going to use the capture software _for_. If it's
actually capturing streaming video, then see Paul's post - but, in
general, "if I was going there, I wouldn't start from here" - screen
capture software is not the right _tool_ for that. So what _are_ you
going to use it for? I'd say mainly for making "how to do" videos. [Note
that I've avoided a contentious term there (-:.]

Since we've separated the light source from the frame rate, we can
realise that a lot lower frame rate can be used. In the days of CRTs, we
needed a _refresh_ rate greater than - it varies between people, but I'd
say at _least_ about 45 Hz - frame rate to avoid _flicker_. But (and
even with CRTs, provided you had a _refresh_ rate different from a
_frame_ rate), you can have a frame rate of quite low - I'd say below 10
a second - even if you wanted to give the impression of movement, except
for very complex or detailed scenes. If you're only wanting to show how
to do something in software, one a second is probably sufficient -
though if you want to at least give the impression of mouse pointer
movement, I'd go for three or four a second (and with pointer trails
turned on).

The one time I wanted to do such a capture (to show an energy company
how their website worked, or rather didn't!), I used something called
Debut Video Capture software (works under 7, but I'm not recommending it
- or not, for that matter), and the hardware I had at the time _did_
produce only one or two frames per second. (Which sufficed for the
purpose.)

So, apart from capturing streams (see above) and making "how-to" clips,
is there anything _else_ people might _want_ to do with capture software
(including the above suggestion of using IrfanView or other to just take
pictures fast)?
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Old November 12th 18, 03:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Shadow" wrote

| Try this:
|
| http://www.gilisoft.com/free-screen-recorder.htm
|

I just downloaded it. Clean. I just unpacked the Inno
installer and it seems to work OK. But then it immediately
tried to call:

184.173.250.45
SoftLayer Technologies

Then the window came up and asked me to buy
or "evaluate". That's sleazy. Even the download
name calls it the free version. But the program is
not free. It's just a trial version. I never tried it to
see whether it works.

Years ago I had a nice little program that came
with WordPro 96, which I got free from a magazine
CD. (Back when computer magazines actually had
CDs with good, free software, fonts, etc. I still
use buttonizer plug-ins in Paint Shop Pro that I
got from one of those CDs.
The WordPro movie maker easily made little movies
of desktop activity and packed in the player for
sending to others. But I think it was 9x-only.


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Old November 12th 18, 03:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Charlie+" wrote

| Try BB Flashback Express - free version for personal use, register to
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I just tried it. Mixed results. First, it's too big.
A 21 MB installer. 109 MB installed (!) Then it
worked but couldn't save to mp4 without getting
QuickTime. (I'm definitely not installing Apple
software. They're among the worst for spyware,
while Timmy Cook squeals that he's the only moral,
privacy-respecting CEO in tech. Spyware is bad
enough. Baldfaced lying about it is worse.)

So I resaved the proprietary file format as AVI.
That played OK, but it put a sizable black rectangle
in the middle of the screen saying it was an
evaluation. Though I was able to minimize the
black box the next time I recorded.

After recording I had to open the player to
re-open the proprietary file and resave as AVI.
(Later to use Avidemux, I suppose, if I wanted
an mp4. So two complex operations just to get
a compact file format.)

Spyware functionality called 3 different IPs:

Recorder:
130.159.196.117
University of Strathclyde, UK

LogSysServer.exe:
104.27.150.13
CloudFlare

Player:
176.34.137.58
Cloudfront on Amazon web services, Ireland

This one tried to send every few seconds
while playing back. The destination is an
Amazon storage service, especially for caching
videos. It appears the program was trying to
upload the video.

So.... It works. But it takes up a very bloated 109 MB
and that's without even being able to save to mp4.
And it's rather extreme spyware.

This kind of software is handy to have for giving
help to others, but it seems like it should be so hard
to find a simple, non-spyware, compact program that
just stitches together screenshots and makes an mp4.



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Old November 12th 18, 04:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:04:58 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Shadow" wrote

| Try this:
|
| http://www.gilisoft.com/free-screen-recorder.htm
|

I just downloaded it. Clean. I just unpacked the Inno
installer and it seems to work OK.


Yes, I do that too. And eliminate anything that looks like a
downloader.

But then it immediately tried to call:

184.173.250.45
SoftLayer Technologies

Then the window came up and asked me to buy
or "evaluate". That's sleazy. Even the download
name calls it the free version. But the program is
not free. It's just a trial version. I never tried it to
see whether it works.


Yes, well, I automatically block anything like that with my
firewall.
And trace it, so I can undo anything "extra" it might have
done (with Gilisoft, usually only a few benign registry keys and some
entries in App data or whatever).
Do you mean I'm going to have to do it myself ?

OK. I will.
[]'s

Years ago I had a nice little program that came
with WordPro 96, which I got free from a magazine
CD. (Back when computer magazines actually had
CDs with good, free software, fonts, etc. I still
use buttonizer plug-ins in Paint Shop Pro that I
got from one of those CDs.
The WordPro movie maker easily made little movies
of desktop activity and packed in the player for
sending to others. But I think it was 9x-only.

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Old November 12th 18, 04:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Ant" wrote

| With no limitations and can handle live videos on screens to record in
| web browsers. Also, it has to work well on a decade old updated 64-bit
| W7 HPE SP1 PC with 6 GB of RAM and ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of
| RAM).

I just found this:

CamStudio
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html

Reasonable size. Free, open source. Works on XP. Doesn't
call home. Has limited editing tools and a help file. (The help
is a bit funky, but informative.) Can only save to AVI. That
can be converted to SWF but another program would
be needed to save to mp4.

I'm posting the MajorGeeks link because the website
doesn't have a real download. The download there is
a small kickoff installer that then wants to go online
to get files.

I was able to convert the AVI to mp4 in VLC easily,
but for some reason the video is diagonal after conversion.
I don't know what's doing that. (AVI is far to big to leave
as a format for most uses.)


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Old November 12th 18, 05:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Ant" wrote

| With no limitations and can handle live videos on screens to record in
| web browsers. Also, it has to work well on a decade old updated 64-bit
| W7 HPE SP1 PC with 6 GB of RAM and ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of
| RAM).

I just found this:

CamStudio
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html

Reasonable size. Free, open source. Works on XP. Doesn't
call home. Has limited editing tools and a help file. (The help
is a bit funky, but informative.) Can only save to AVI. That
can be converted to SWF but another program would
be needed to save to mp4.

I'm posting the MajorGeeks link because the website
doesn't have a real download. The download there is
a small kickoff installer that then wants to go online
to get files.

I was able to convert the AVI to mp4 in VLC easily,
but for some reason the video is diagonal after conversion.
I don't know what's doing that. (AVI is far to big to leave
as a format for most uses.)


Read the article first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio

Paul
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Old November 12th 18, 07:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote

| Read the article first.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio
|

Are you talking about the reference to malware?
The copy I got from MajorGeeks seems to be fine.
It's an unpackable Inno installer. The files all seem
normal. The install script holds no surprises. The
EULA is a standard GNU license.

The Wikipedia article is ambiguous. Many AV
tests show no problem. Some do show a problem.
Some find "PUP" malware, which is actually nonsense
cooked up by the MalwareBytes people. It's not
clear what these PUP prograsms actually are. The
only convincing sign of a bug is the InstallCore
files that are said to be part of a tool to allow
for in-program ads. But none of that seems to
be in what I installed. Nor did the installer
advertise other software.

Maybe someone else has more experience.

The best I can gather is that they experimented
with ad hosting but gave that up. But I don't know
about the product on their homepage. I won't
install anything that has to call out to download
more stuff.


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Old November 12th 18, 08:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote

| Read the article first.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio
|

Second post: I do wonder about the diagonal
image. The program is small, simple and easy to use.
VLC plays the resulting AVI files fine. But if I
use VLC to convert to mp4 or if I load it into
Avidemux, in both cases it shows up as a diagonal
image. The video seems to work. It just displays
skewed at about a 45 degree angle. I've never
seen anything like that before.


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Old November 12th 18, 08:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:53:18 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

I just found this:

CamStudio
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html

Reasonable size. Free, open source. Works on XP. Doesn't
call home. Has limited editing tools and a help file. (The help
is a bit funky, but informative.) Can only save to AVI. That
can be converted to SWF but another program would
be needed to save to mp4.

I'm posting the MajorGeeks link because the website
doesn't have a real download. The download there is
a small kickoff installer that then wants to go online
to get files.

I was able to convert the AVI to mp4 in VLC easily,
but for some reason the video is diagonal after conversion.
I don't know what's doing that. (AVI is far to big to leave
as a format for most uses.)


Camstudio was in my original list:

That list was based only on a half dozen recent (mostly 2018 dates) reviews
of supposedly free Windows screen recording software (some of which is
likely crippleware or bundleware, as always).

So it's GREAT that you tested some of the software found on that search!

I downloaded it from the canonical web site and now downloaded it from your
link to report back to users what the hashes and file size differences are.

https://camstudio.org/
---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: camstudio.exe
Size: 3014376 bytes (2 MB)

SHA256: BF7BBCE5065083934528B540D67168A411F12B4D3676BEDD25 E136A61514F472

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------


https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html
https://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmir...mstudio,1.html
https://www.majorgeeks.com/index.php...tion=download&
---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: CamStudio_Setup_2-7_r316.exe
Size: 11438475 bytes (10 MB)

SHA256: 370209DCB723B18A590430C9C8989F6ECBB2C563CDA97442EF 74C7766F26FD3F

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

As you noted, they are VERY DIFFERENT!
Thanks for warning us, as the cost of freeware is making all the same
mistakes that everyone makes (and that they sometimes want you to make!).
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Old November 12th 18, 08:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:04:58 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

Then the window came up and asked me to buy
or "evaluate". That's sleazy. Even the download
name calls it the free version. But the program is
not free. It's just a trial version. I never tried it to
see whether it works.


While I don't know if the half dozen "reviews" I found for "free windows
screen recorders" are shills or not, that app didn't show up even once.
http://www.gilisoft.com/free-screen-recorder.htm

Sometimes that's a good thing (e.g., lots of editing reviews skip over
Irfanview) but usually that's a bad thing.

I think you found out that it's not viable software, given it's not
freeware, so it's not of general use to everyone (which is always the
entire point).
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Old November 12th 18, 08:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:46:48 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

A good wishlist (-:!


Hi J. P. Gilliver,

I agree it's only a 'freeware wishlist', where, it seems the tricks,
subterfuge, & shenanigans "free to download" software plays on the hapless
user is more prevalent in the "video" category than almost any other
category.

I don't know why, but, for example, you get far fewer of those shenanigans
like crippleware posing as freeware in, oh, say, Android Emulation
Freeware, or in Vector Graphics CAD freeware, etc.

Given the propensity of "screen recording" freeware to play crippleware
games, I suspect half (or more) of the finds I listed have them.

That's why freeware is expensive - because you need to know someone who
already knows the answer if you're going to find the best ones.


What would a minimum number of screens per second would we need anyway?

screen capture software is not the right _tool_ for that.


The advantage of "frequent screen capture" freeware would be the
simplicity. The disadvantage is that you have to dub the audio (but most of
the time, that wouldn't be a disadvantage in a tutorial).

Since we've separated the light source from the frame rate, we can
realise that a lot lower frame rate can be used.


Interesting point about the frame rate separated from the light source!

I'd go for three or four a second (and with pointer trails
turned on).


Sounds like a good starting number of 0.25 second intervals, for testing.

So, apart from capturing streams (see above) and making "how-to" clips,
is there anything _else_ people might _want_ to do with capture software
(including the above suggestion of using IrfanView or other to just take
pictures fast)?


I don't capture my screen in audio, but I do a tremendous amount of screen
capturing, where, it might be nice, to have something running all the time
which rolls over like a dash cam rolls over.

That way it wouldn't fill the disk space but it would have a pre-set time
of, oh, I don't know, the last five minutes. That way, any "mistake" I made
in the past five minutes would be captured as long as I realized that
mistake within that five minute period.

Other than that, I have no need for screen-recording software, but, I can
see, if you're doing facetime or some kind of real-time video display, that
having a screen recording of a conference call (with audio) would be
useful.
 




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