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Old August 19th 15, 06:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Can Windows 10 be installed on XP if Windows 7 isn't installed yet?

ceg wrote on 08/18/2015 11:38 PM:
Can Windows 10 be installed on XP if Windows 7 isn't installed yet?


No


I have a Windows 7 retail box and license but I currently
do NOT have Windows 7 installed - can I still update the
WinXP laptop to Windows 10 using that Windows 7 box license?


No

The laptop that had Windows 7 on it long ago was relegated
to the dustbin, so, at the moment, there are no computers
that are using the Windows 7 license (which was installed
once prior on a different laptop).


Not relevant, the qualifying o/s to take advantage of the free
Win7Sp1/8.1 upgrade must be running **and** the upgrade from within that
qualifying o/s (via Windows Update or Win10 media)


Given that the Windows 7 is a legitimate "retail" version,
but, that it's not currently installed on any machine, is
it possible to upgrade a WinXP to Win10 using that retail
box license?


No


Or, do I have to first install Windows 7 on the XP laptop,
and then update that laptop to Windows 10?


Yes


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Old August 19th 15, 07:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Can Windows 10 be installed on XP if Windows 7 isn't installed yet?

Op Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:16:09 -0400 schreef . . .winston:

ceg wrote on 08/18/2015 11:38 PM:


Or, do I have to first install Windows 7 on the XP laptop,
and then update that laptop to Windows 10?


Yes


First install Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 or
Windows 10 won't activate.
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Old August 19th 15, 08:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Can Windows 10 be installed on XP if Windows 7 isn't installed yet?

PauL wrote on 08/19/2015 2:17 PM:
Op Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:16:09 -0400 schreef . . .winston:

ceg wrote on 08/18/2015 11:38 PM:


Or, do I have to first install Windows 7 on the XP laptop,
and then update that laptop to Windows 10?


Yes


First install Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 or
Windows 10 won't activate.


The MCT created media (unlike Windows Update/GWX route) supports Windows
7 RTM, 7Sp1, 8.0 and 8.1 as qualifying operating systems to upgrade to
Win10.
- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s

When using the MCT created media
For Win 7 - Sp1 is not required
For Win 8.0 - 8.1 Update is not required



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Old August 19th 15, 08:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Op Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:06:53 +0000 (UTC) schreef ceg:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:17:42 +0200, PauL wrote:


First install Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 or
Windows 10 won't activate.


The plan is to update a WinXP machine and a Win8 machine.
First step is downloading the Win10 ISOs (32 and 64 bit).
Then burning the ISO files to DVD media.
Then updating the Windows 8 machine.
Then updating the WinXP to Win7SP1 using the retail box,
and then updating to Windows 10 using the burned DVD.

Does this plan make sense operationally?
Note: The Win8 machine is away at college so it will be done
on the weekend.


Like winston says:

- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s
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Old August 19th 15, 10:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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ceg wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:50:26 +0200, PauL wrote:

Like winston says:

- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s


This is microsoft-speak, which I don't understand.
That sentence makes absolutely no sense to me.
What makes sense is the following:

1. I would assume that my download of Windows 10 ISOs, which I did
from Linux, would burn quite nicely to ISO format DVDs using any
image burner software (e.g., ImgBurn on Windows or K3b on Linux).

2. I would assume that these DVDs could be popped into any Windows
7sp1 or Windows 8.1 machine, and I'd be able to run the "setup.exe".

All I'm really asking is whether that is the case.
If your sentence "the media must be run from within the qualifying
OS" means both #1 and #2 above are fine, then I'm ok with that.

But if that's the case, why didn't they say so in plain English?


Are you troll ?

*******

You normally run your computer with Windows 7 SP1.
Or, you normally run your computer with Windows 8.1

Now, you're sitting in your regular desktop environment.
Updating your Facebook page, reading the news and so on.

Now, insert the Win10 DVD. Open file explorer.
Do you see a setup.exe on the DVD ? Do you have
autorun or autoplay enabled ? The DVD may start
on its own. Or, you may need to click an executable
on the DVD. You are viewing the Win10 DVD, as
if it was a movie DVD or similar. You just
popped it into the drive. If "nothing happens"
when you shove it in the drive, open Explorer
and make things happen using the EXE file you find.

I have the DVD here, and the file at the top
level of the DVD is actually "setup.exe". I can see it.

Doing so, is called an "Upgrade" install. You are
receiving the "free Upgrade" to Windows 10, so you
do an Upgrade install.

If, on the other hand, you see a notification icon
in the lower right hand corner, the process is more
automated. When it is ready, it will prompt you
that an Upgrade install is about to happen. The
upgrade process is partially managed by Windows
Update. But in the end, no matter where the
6GB of files are stored on your C: drive,
the process will be an Upgrade install just
like the DVD case.

*******

Note that, explaining this with words is very hard.

Consult a Youtube video, if you want visual cues.

HTH,
Paul
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Old August 19th 15, 11:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Op Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:59:56 +0000 (UTC) schreef ceg:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:50:26 +0200, PauL wrote:

Like winston says:

- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s


This is microsoft-speak, which I don't understand.


It means that you may not boot from the install-DVD.

That sentence makes absolutely no sense to me.


What makes sense is the following:

1. I would assume that my download of Windows 10 ISOs, which I did
from Linux, would burn quite nicely to ISO format DVDs using any
image burner software (e.g., ImgBurn on Windows or K3b on Linux).


Yes

2. I would assume that these DVDs could be popped into any Windows
7sp1 or Windows 8.1 machine, and I'd be able to run the "setup.exe".


Yes.


All I'm really asking is whether that is the case.
If your sentence "the media must be run from within the qualifying
OS" means both #1 and #2 above are fine, then I'm ok with that.

But if that's the case, why didn't they say so in plain English?


The free upgrade is for the qualifying operating system.
If you boot the PC from the install-DVD , you'll need to buy
a new Windows product key to activate Windows
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Old August 20th 15, 07:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Can Windows 10 be installed on XP if Windows 7 isn't installed yet?

ceg wrote on 08/19/2015 4:01 PM:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:11:45 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

The MCT created media (unlike Windows Update/GWX route) supports Windows
7 RTM, 7Sp1, 8.0 and 8.1 as qualifying operating systems to upgrade to
Win10.
- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s

When using the MCT created media
For Win 7 - Sp1 is not required
For Win 8.0 - 8.1 Update is not required


I don't see why Microsoft made things so complicated.
It should be as simple as (1) burn the ISO to DVD, and (2) insert ISO
into Windows 7sp1 or Windows 8.1, and then (3) click on "setup.exe".

Is what you're saying above the same as that?


That's one route...for (1)
(a)Windows Update upgrade is another.
(b) Media Creation Tool created USB or DVD is another.
(c) mounting the iso is another

For (2)
- an iso must be burned to media or mounted, one technically doesn't
insert the iso...they mount the iso or insert the media created from the
iso in the qualifying o/s

For (3) running setup.exe in the qualifying o/ is correct.


The difference noted earlier
1 (a) requires the qualifying o/s to be Win7Sp1 or Win 8.1
1 (b) and (c) accepts Win 7 RTM, Win7SP1, Win 8.0 and Win 8.1 as the
qualifying o/s
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Old August 20th 15, 11:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Can Windows 10 be installed on XP if Windows 7 isn't installed yet?

En el artículo , ceg
escribió:

Then updating the WinXP to Win7SP1 using the retail box,


You can't update XP to 7, a fresh install is required.

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Old August 20th 15, 03:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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En el artículo , ceg
escribió:

I had not realized that I can't *update* from Windows XP to
Windows 7, but I always do a fresh install anyway.


You /can/ do it by upgrading XP to Vista as an intermediate step, then
from Vista to 7. Whether you /should/ is another matter

I've done this on several machines and it's (mostly) worked. The
chances of success are higher if you give the original XP machine a good
clean up first - uninstall unwanted apps, run CCleaner, defrag, etc. and
pay attention to what the Upgrade Advisor tool says.

Of course, a fresh install is preferable. It's just that I had my XP
system tweaked just how I wanted it, I had a load of installed apps,
many of which I no longer had the original install media for, etc. etc.

It took a while, but was satisfying eventually seeing 7 come up with my
tweaks and installed apps present and working. It's been running for
about 18 months now and is in use every day.

I save my user data onto a different drive. That way, I can blat and
reinstall the OS if I need to (I've never, ever done this and have
upgraded 'in place' from W3.1 - W95 - W98 - W98SE - Win2k - WinXP -
Vi$ta - Win7) without affecting my data. The backup program I use

backs up various important directories, including My Twee Things,
nightly, and occasionally I take an image of the system SSD so if that
ever fails, recovery is just a matter of writing the image to a
replacement.

Notice that backups and reinstallation are easy if you never
put anything into any of the original Microsoft folders!


c:\data {for all their user data}


I'm unconvinced. If you back up \Users, you backup all user data plus
the temporary working directories that applications use (AppData, etc.)

c:\data\software\{archiver,browser,editor,etc.} for installers


c:\Downloads for me. I don't let browsers and downloaders save into "My
Twee Downloads".

c:\temp {for all temporary files}


+1. It's incredibly useful.

Given that, my plan is the following (does it seem feasible to you?):


Looks OK to me. I haven't used W10 in anger, and have no intention of
ever doing so, so will leave it to others to comment on your strategy.

Good luck. I think you'll need it

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Old August 20th 15, 10:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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ceg wrote on 08/19/2015 3:06 PM:

Then updating the WinXP to Win7SP1 using the retail box,
and then updating to Windows 10 using the burned DVD.

Does this plan make sense operationally?


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-7#T1=tab01

qp
To upgrade your PC from Windows XP to Windows 7, you'll need to select
the Custom option during Windows 7 installation. A custom installation
doesn't preserve your programs, files, or settings. It's sometimes
called a "clean" installation for that reason.

A custom installation is more complex, and it can sometimes take a
couple of hours to complete. We created this five-step tutorial to help
guide you through the entire process each step of the way.
/qp



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Old August 22nd 15, 12:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Can Windows 10 be installed on XP if Windows 7 isn't installed yet?

PauL posted this:

Op Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:06:53 +0000 (UTC) schreef ceg:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:17:42 +0200, PauL wrote:


First install Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 or
Windows 10 won't activate.


The plan is to update a WinXP machine and a Win8 machine.
First step is downloading the Win10 ISOs (32 and 64 bit).
Then burning the ISO files to DVD media.
Then updating the Windows 8 machine.
Then updating the WinXP to Win7SP1 using the retail box,
and then updating to Windows 10 using the burned DVD.

Does this plan make sense operationally?
Note: The Win8 machine is away at college so it will be done
on the weekend.


Like winston says:

- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s


But he forgot to say "within the alloted 1-year free update period."

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Old August 22nd 15, 06:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Bucky Breeder wrote on 08/22/2015 7:19 AM:
PauL posted this:

Op Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:06:53 +0000 (UTC) schreef ceg:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:17:42 +0200, PauL wrote:


First install Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 or
Windows 10 won't activate.

The plan is to update a WinXP machine and a Win8 machine.
First step is downloading the Win10 ISOs (32 and 64 bit).
Then burning the ISO files to DVD media.
Then updating the Windows 8 machine.
Then updating the WinXP to Win7SP1 using the retail box,
and then updating to Windows 10 using the burned DVD.

Does this plan make sense operationally?
Note: The Win8 machine is away at college so it will be done
on the weekend.


Like winston says:

- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s


But he forgot to say "within the alloted 1-year free update period."


Not necessary, the op's time frame is this weekend.

The media can be run anytime (just not for the free upgrade)

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Old August 22nd 15, 09:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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.. . .winston wrote:
Bucky Breeder wrote on 08/22/2015 7:19 AM:
PauL posted this:

Op Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:06:53 +0000 (UTC) schreef ceg:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:17:42 +0200, PauL wrote:


First install Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 or
Windows 10 won't activate.

The plan is to update a WinXP machine and a Win8 machine.
First step is downloading the Win10 ISOs (32 and 64 bit).
Then burning the ISO files to DVD media.
Then updating the Windows 8 machine.
Then updating the WinXP to Win7SP1 using the retail box,
and then updating to Windows 10 using the burned DVD.

Does this plan make sense operationally?
Note: The Win8 machine is away at college so it will be done
on the weekend.

Like winston says:

- the media must be run from within the qualifying o/s


But he forgot to say "within the alloted 1-year free update period."


Not necessary, the op's time frame is this weekend.

The media can be run anytime (just not for the free upgrade)


I was able to install VirtualBox beta (5.02 or so?),
and when setting up a Win10 virtual machine there,
for some reason the "skip" button was working and
at least the file copying operation could begin.
You might be able to verify the installer DVD
a bit that way (install VirtualBox).

Regular downloads (not all bug fixes)
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

Beta (supposed to help with Win10)
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds

Using a virtual machine, means not having to
make a partition for installation. As instead
the installation is stored in a .vhd file or similar
(depending on the container type you select).
I use .vhd files, because they can be mounted
in other OSes.

The extension pack is if you want USB passthru.
This wasn't essential to kicking off the
installation of Windows 10.

http://download.virtualbox.org/virtu...6.vbox-extpack

I'm really surprised the Win10 install started,
as the screen on the laptop is pretty small.

Paul
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Old August 24th 15, 03:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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ceg wrote on 08/23/2015 2:10 AM:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:40:26 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

But he forgot to say "within the alloted 1-year free update period."


Not necessary, the op's time frame is this weekend.

The media can be run anytime (just not for the free upgrade)


Yes, I only needed the 64-bit Windows 10 ISO that I downloaded from Linux
to work this weekend, and it did work just fine (AFAICT).
http://i.imgur.com/N62Hgfp.jpg

1. We popped the Windows 10 ISO disc into the laptop DVD drive
2. Windows 8.1 asked us if we wanted to run Microsoft setup.exe
3. It installed Windows 10 in about a half hour

I didn't play with Windows 10 for more than a few minutes but I was
pleasantly surprised that the overall "task bar" on the bottom seemed to
be preserved, which included the cascaded menus in the idiotically named
"roaming" directory.

The Start Menu looked different than it does on XP (but you all knew
that), so, we'll have to figure it out - but I was pleasantly surprised
that there were no hiccups (yet).

Thanks for the updated report.


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