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  #61  
Old July 29th 04, 07:28 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Tom;
I am snipping all that I am not commenting.

It is not necessary to respond to a Thank-you.
Even though the Thank-you is necessary to verify the fix and help
improve quality, there are those that think even that is a waste of
bandwidth.
Many MVPs choose not to respond at all or respond in a limited degree
to Thank-yous.
Many people here are on dial-up and some even pay by the amount of
bandwidth used.
A response to every thank you would impact those right in their
wallet.
I am less willing to do something affecting someone else's wallet and
this is probably true for many others.

You should see our in boxes and IMs from each other when something is
not right.
There is a great deal of communicating that you do not see and frankly
you should not see.
It is not sweeping anything under the rug, it is improving the
experience for everyone including you.

We all have different experiences with hardware and software.
The experiences can be first hand or second hand.
We all make recommendations based on those experiences.

Lastly
You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs,
since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility.
Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.
If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster
your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Q. "I have yet to see him (CF) express a reply of gratitude to one

who thanked him.

A. Not necessary....have you ever sent a thank-you note to someone

that already sent one?

HUH? That doesn't make sense, but do you ever say "you're welcome",
you ingrate? I have never seen it from you yet!


Q. "He even doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he

makes these errors".

A. Private email does this best and you have no knowledge how I

communicate with peers.

Poor cop out Carey, I have seen MVPs call you down, before you were an
MVP, and you got all ****y about it, instead of just admitting fault
when you were wrong. Now that you got the title, you can avoid it. I
am sure you don't enjoy being embarassed in private also, so you avoid
it altogether, by not addressing it in any venue!

Even if you addessed it prviately, and you were called on it, you
still make the same rrors, which tells me my last sentence in the
previous paragraph seems true.

Q. " I think it is very un-MVP like to recommend a registry

cleaner/maintenance program..."

A. Why? The only one I recommend is System Mechanic, and it's

featured in the Windows Catalog.

Being that nearly every other MVP in here other than you recommends to
others NOT to use registry cleaners, that should be telling in itself.
Just because MS approves it (which could be for marketing purposes,
rather than a real benefit), doesn't make it safe. Most people don't
know what is being cleaned out anyway, and those cleaners can remove
stuff that is non-Windows related, that the person NEEDS on their PC.
Uninstalling things is the best way.



--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User


--
Tom
Not a Microsoft MVP, and certainly not deserving of it based on Rick
Rogers standards.

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/


Be Smart, really learn and express your knowledge of Windows, not just
link it! Be nice!


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  #62  
Old July 29th 04, 07:28 PM
Greg R
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:05:33 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
wrote:

I use several software programs not endorsed by Microsoft.
However, I'm careful with what I install and usually I will
manually set a System Restore point prior to installation.
And yes, I have sometimes managed to corrupt Windows XP
by my own doing and realized it was my fault.


Thank you. I think some people have criticize you unfairly.

I have crashed windows xp too.

Greg R

  #63  
Old July 29th 04, 07:28 PM
Greg R
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:05:33 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
wrote:

I use several software programs not endorsed by Microsoft.
However, I'm careful with what I install and usually I will
manually set a System Restore point prior to installation.
And yes, I have sometimes managed to corrupt Windows XP
by my own doing and realized it was my fault.


Thank you. I think some people have criticize you unfairly.

I have crashed windows xp too.

Greg R

  #64  
Old July 29th 04, 07:28 PM
Greg R
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:05:33 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
wrote:

I use several software programs not endorsed by Microsoft.
However, I'm careful with what I install and usually I will
manually set a System Restore point prior to installation.
And yes, I have sometimes managed to corrupt Windows XP
by my own doing and realized it was my fault.


Thank you. I think some people have criticize you unfairly.

I have crashed windows xp too.

Greg R

  #65  
Old July 29th 04, 07:29 PM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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Hi Tom,

Keep in mind that those awarded (and yes, it's an annual award, and no one
is guaranteed renewal) are people just like you and I (though as a group we
tend to be a bit geeky at times), and as such we are entitled to our flaws,
including the ability to make mistakes, have opinions, and to being
pig-headed at times (I know quite a few, myself included, who fit that last
category). There are no compulsary ideals placed on those who are awarded,
no requirement to "tow the company line". For that matter, some of us are
some of Microsoft's biggest critics - trust me, I've been in the middle of
some meetings of MVP and MS people that have been, for lack of a better
term, quite lively.

In any case, I won't pass judgement on Carey, as that's not my lot in life.
Besides, I have better things to do, and I've been known to be a bit cranky
and short-fused at times too. And yes, I make the occasional blunder as
well, usually someone will see it and point it out, and I don't always
acknowledge it as long as I think the original poster is getting the right
information.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote in message
...
(abusiveness is not a
friendly trait, and a sense of compassion is often necessary to help those
that are less "in the know").


Do MVPs as a group ever deny ( I guess you all re-up MVPs yearly?) based on
themselves not being friendly. I can name quite a few who are not friendly,
condescending, and at time, ungrateful.

While I can name them, one who really doesn't deserve it is Carey Frisch;
while he may be a wealth of MS KB articles, I have yet to see him express a
reply of gratitude to one who thanked him. He never admits mistakes, he does
not correct them, which can lead one seeking help to make mistakes. He even
doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he makes these errors.
Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very unappealing, and only entails
getting nothing but biased remarks from him. He cannot even come to terms to
find when MS makes mistakes and point them out.

He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are certified
by MS (i.e. anything Nortons/Symantec, Registry cleaners and Windows
utilities supported by MS) because they serve the MS interest, not the
general folks in need of help. Personally, I think it is very un-MVP like to
recommend a registry cleaner/maintenance program, as I have learned on my
own that XP does this just fine!


  #66  
Old July 29th 04, 07:29 PM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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Hi Tom,

Keep in mind that those awarded (and yes, it's an annual award, and no one
is guaranteed renewal) are people just like you and I (though as a group we
tend to be a bit geeky at times), and as such we are entitled to our flaws,
including the ability to make mistakes, have opinions, and to being
pig-headed at times (I know quite a few, myself included, who fit that last
category). There are no compulsary ideals placed on those who are awarded,
no requirement to "tow the company line". For that matter, some of us are
some of Microsoft's biggest critics - trust me, I've been in the middle of
some meetings of MVP and MS people that have been, for lack of a better
term, quite lively.

In any case, I won't pass judgement on Carey, as that's not my lot in life.
Besides, I have better things to do, and I've been known to be a bit cranky
and short-fused at times too. And yes, I make the occasional blunder as
well, usually someone will see it and point it out, and I don't always
acknowledge it as long as I think the original poster is getting the right
information.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote in message
...
(abusiveness is not a
friendly trait, and a sense of compassion is often necessary to help those
that are less "in the know").


Do MVPs as a group ever deny ( I guess you all re-up MVPs yearly?) based on
themselves not being friendly. I can name quite a few who are not friendly,
condescending, and at time, ungrateful.

While I can name them, one who really doesn't deserve it is Carey Frisch;
while he may be a wealth of MS KB articles, I have yet to see him express a
reply of gratitude to one who thanked him. He never admits mistakes, he does
not correct them, which can lead one seeking help to make mistakes. He even
doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he makes these errors.
Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very unappealing, and only entails
getting nothing but biased remarks from him. He cannot even come to terms to
find when MS makes mistakes and point them out.

He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are certified
by MS (i.e. anything Nortons/Symantec, Registry cleaners and Windows
utilities supported by MS) because they serve the MS interest, not the
general folks in need of help. Personally, I think it is very un-MVP like to
recommend a registry cleaner/maintenance program, as I have learned on my
own that XP does this just fine!


  #67  
Old July 29th 04, 07:29 PM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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Hi Tom,

Keep in mind that those awarded (and yes, it's an annual award, and no one
is guaranteed renewal) are people just like you and I (though as a group we
tend to be a bit geeky at times), and as such we are entitled to our flaws,
including the ability to make mistakes, have opinions, and to being
pig-headed at times (I know quite a few, myself included, who fit that last
category). There are no compulsary ideals placed on those who are awarded,
no requirement to "tow the company line". For that matter, some of us are
some of Microsoft's biggest critics - trust me, I've been in the middle of
some meetings of MVP and MS people that have been, for lack of a better
term, quite lively.

In any case, I won't pass judgement on Carey, as that's not my lot in life.
Besides, I have better things to do, and I've been known to be a bit cranky
and short-fused at times too. And yes, I make the occasional blunder as
well, usually someone will see it and point it out, and I don't always
acknowledge it as long as I think the original poster is getting the right
information.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote in message
...
(abusiveness is not a
friendly trait, and a sense of compassion is often necessary to help those
that are less "in the know").


Do MVPs as a group ever deny ( I guess you all re-up MVPs yearly?) based on
themselves not being friendly. I can name quite a few who are not friendly,
condescending, and at time, ungrateful.

While I can name them, one who really doesn't deserve it is Carey Frisch;
while he may be a wealth of MS KB articles, I have yet to see him express a
reply of gratitude to one who thanked him. He never admits mistakes, he does
not correct them, which can lead one seeking help to make mistakes. He even
doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he makes these errors.
Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very unappealing, and only entails
getting nothing but biased remarks from him. He cannot even come to terms to
find when MS makes mistakes and point them out.

He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are certified
by MS (i.e. anything Nortons/Symantec, Registry cleaners and Windows
utilities supported by MS) because they serve the MS interest, not the
general folks in need of help. Personally, I think it is very un-MVP like to
recommend a registry cleaner/maintenance program, as I have learned on my
own that XP does this just fine!


  #68  
Old July 29th 04, 07:30 PM
Tom
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...

snipped moral code=20

Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


No personal issue, if he wants to do what he does, then he should bear =
the words of others. I will note that you ignore his personal attacks on =
those seeking help.

You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs,
since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility.
Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


Apparently there needs to be rules, and less flexibility on who is =
selected; ever heard of standards??. While I admit I would in no way =
qualify for the role based on my attitude at times, he takes the cake!


If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster
your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it.


No, you have that wrong totally, it is one thing to call names, and not =
bolster the claim with it, that is weak, and makes nothing of proof to =
the claim. I said what I said, while giving example of real incidents, =
at his request. I supported it.

Anyway, nuff said already, I am done with this, but not at grilling him =
when he make accusatory, or scornful remarks about non-Windows =
applications users, or purported pirates.
  #69  
Old July 29th 04, 07:30 PM
Tom
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...

snipped moral code=20

Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


No personal issue, if he wants to do what he does, then he should bear =
the words of others. I will note that you ignore his personal attacks on =
those seeking help.

You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs,
since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility.
Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


Apparently there needs to be rules, and less flexibility on who is =
selected; ever heard of standards??. While I admit I would in no way =
qualify for the role based on my attitude at times, he takes the cake!


If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster
your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it.


No, you have that wrong totally, it is one thing to call names, and not =
bolster the claim with it, that is weak, and makes nothing of proof to =
the claim. I said what I said, while giving example of real incidents, =
at his request. I supported it.

Anyway, nuff said already, I am done with this, but not at grilling him =
when he make accusatory, or scornful remarks about non-Windows =
applications users, or purported pirates.
  #70  
Old July 29th 04, 07:30 PM
Tom
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...

snipped moral code=20

Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


No personal issue, if he wants to do what he does, then he should bear =
the words of others. I will note that you ignore his personal attacks on =
those seeking help.

You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs,
since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility.
Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


Apparently there needs to be rules, and less flexibility on who is =
selected; ever heard of standards??. While I admit I would in no way =
qualify for the role based on my attitude at times, he takes the cake!


If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster
your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it.


No, you have that wrong totally, it is one thing to call names, and not =
bolster the claim with it, that is weak, and makes nothing of proof to =
the claim. I said what I said, while giving example of real incidents, =
at his request. I supported it.

Anyway, nuff said already, I am done with this, but not at grilling him =
when he make accusatory, or scornful remarks about non-Windows =
applications users, or purported pirates.
  #71  
Old July 29th 04, 07:31 PM
Michael D. Alligood
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I apologize about stirring up a hornets nest guys. I was just inquiring
about how to become an MVP myself. Thanks for all the replies.

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
however... My question concerning the MVP award is:

How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?


--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI





  #72  
Old July 29th 04, 07:31 PM
Michael D. Alligood
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I apologize about stirring up a hornets nest guys. I was just inquiring
about how to become an MVP myself. Thanks for all the replies.

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
however... My question concerning the MVP award is:

How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?


--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI





  #73  
Old July 29th 04, 07:31 PM
Michael D. Alligood
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Posts: n/a
Default MVPs

I apologize about stirring up a hornets nest guys. I was just inquiring
about how to become an MVP myself. Thanks for all the replies.

--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
however... My question concerning the MVP award is:

How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?


--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI





  #74  
Old July 29th 04, 07:33 PM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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Correct. There is no test. The MVP award is given by Microsoft for
recognition of the effort given in the prior year, it is not a
certification. As I stated earlier in the thread, it is contingent upon
accuracy, consistency, and a willingness to help. No specialized training is
required other than a will to teach, and to learn.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Greg R" wrote in message
...
Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't
in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not
Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this.

Greg R




  #75  
Old July 29th 04, 07:33 PM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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Correct. There is no test. The MVP award is given by Microsoft for
recognition of the effort given in the prior year, it is not a
certification. As I stated earlier in the thread, it is contingent upon
accuracy, consistency, and a willingness to help. No specialized training is
required other than a will to teach, and to learn.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Greg R" wrote in message
...
Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't
in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not
Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this.

Greg R




 




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