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  #16  
Old October 18th 04, 04:22 PM
Ted Zieglar
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant registry keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted Values in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone, unless

you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not

affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry

entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat







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  #17  
Old October 18th 04, 04:33 PM
Unknown
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

It most certainly does NOT say 'do not use any kind of regclean utility'. It
says "RegClean" is no longer supported.
"Raj" wrote in message
...
Please read the following line:

The RegClean utility is no longer supported and has been removed from all
Microsoft download sites.

It itself says do not use anykind of regclean utility.

Raj

"Prabhat" wrote:

Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I should
Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat




  #18  
Old October 18th 04, 04:35 PM
Unknown
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Not true! Many residual pieces of garbage are left.
"
wrote in message ...
This is also my past experience. I now use the programme "Total Install" to
install and if necessary uninstall a programme. This appears to remove all
programme entries in the register when a programme is uninstalled.
Derek

"R. McCarty" wrote in message
.net...
Most recent Applications will remove their Registry content when they
are uninstalled. Usually, you can check in HKLM\Software and see if
the uninstall left behind a Key Heading (Listed by Company name).
It varies from vendor to vendor. Some Uninstallers do an excellent job
of removal, and some leave pieces behind. Along with Registry keys
some uninstalls will leave the Program Files folder with customization
settings or values to retain if the program is re-installed at a later
date.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
I don't know, But the people from Microsoft or MVPs should able to reply
this.

Thanks
Prabhat

"

wrote in message ...
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry entries
left
behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I
should
Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat












  #19  
Old October 18th 04, 04:39 PM
Unknown
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Absolute hogwash. You will notice an improvement in performance if you run a
good registry cleaner. As a matter of fact, the first time a good cleaner is
run it will find over 300 useless entries.
"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant registry keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted Values in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone, unless

you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not

affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry

entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat








  #20  
Old October 18th 04, 04:42 PM
Wesley Vogel
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Use NTREGOPT.

NTREGOPT NT Registry Optimizer
ERUNT The Emergency Recovery Utility NT
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt/

ERUNT [[Note: The "Export registry" function in Regedit is USELESS (!) to
make
a complete backup of the registry. Neither does it export the whole
registry (for example, no information from the "SECURITY" hive is
saved), nor can the exported file be used later to replace the current
registry with the old one. Instead, if you re-import the file, it is
merged with the current registry, leaving you with an absolute mess of
old and new registry keys.]]
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...runt/erunt.txt

NTREGOPT [[Similar to Windows 9x/Me, the registry files in an NT-based
system
can become fragmented over time, occupying more space on your hard
disk than necessary and decreasing overall performance. You should
use the NTREGOPT utility regularly, but especially after installing
or uninstalling a program, to minimize the size of the registry files
and optimize registry access.

The program works by recreating each registry hive "from scratch",
thus removing any slack space that may be left from previously
modified or deleted keys.

Note that the program does NOT change the contents of the registry in
any way, nor does it physically defrag the registry files on the drive
(as the PageDefrag program from SysInternals does). The optimization
done by NTREGOPT is simply compacting the registry hives to the
minimum size possible.]]
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...t/ntregopt.txt

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
Prabhat hunted and pecked:
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that
should affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to
Unwanted Values in it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone,
unless you need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired
by editing the registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not
affect its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry
entries left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat


  #21  
Old October 18th 04, 04:55 PM
Wesley Vogel
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

[[Wesley is correct, of course.]] LOL I may have to print this out and
frame it.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
Ted Zieglar hunted and pecked:
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone, unless
you need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by
editing the registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not
affect its performance.

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,

hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry
entries left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat


  #22  
Old October 18th 04, 05:08 PM
Ted Zieglar
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Posts: n/a
Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Any performance improvement from the elimination of "300 useless entries"
exists in your head. You've bought into the hype, my friend. Big time.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Unknown" wrote in message
. com...
Absolute hogwash. You will notice an improvement in performance if you run

a
good registry cleaner. As a matter of fact, the first time a good cleaner

is
run it will find over 300 useless entries.
"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant registry

keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that

should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted Values

in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone, unless

you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing

the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not
affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry

entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one

I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat










  #23  
Old October 18th 04, 06:53 PM
Jim Byrd
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Hi Prabhat - In my experience all of these Reg cleaners, even the best, are
fraught with danger. I advise against using them except in one specific
instance, that is when you have one that is capable of doing specific Reg
searches, and you NEED (not just WANT) to remove the remaining traces of
something that didn't get uninstalled correctly. (and you didn't have
foresight enough to install it using Total Uninstall,
http://www.geocities.com/ggmartau/tu.html or direct dwnld he
http://files.webattack.com/localdl834/tun234.zip, in the first place.)

Lastly, if you must screw around with your Registry, then at least get
Erunt/Erdnt, and run it before you do the Reg clean. You'll then have a
true restore available to you. Read below to see why you might not just
using the Reg cleaner's resto

Get Erunt here for all NT-based computers including XP:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...runt/index.htm I've set it up to
take a scheduled backup each night at 12:01AM on a weekly round-robin basis,
and a Monthly on the 1st of each month. See here for how to set that up:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...runt/erunt.txt, and for some
useful information about this subject.

This program is one of the best things around - saved my butt on many
occasions, and will also run very nicely from a DOS prompt (in case you've
done something that won't let you boot any more and need to revert to a
previous Registry) IF you're FAT32 OR have a DOS startup disk with NTFS
write drivers in an NTFS system. (There is also a way using the Recovery
Console to get back to being "bootable" even without separate DOS write NTFS
drivers, after which you can do a "normal" Erdnt restore.) (BTW, it also
includes a Registry defragger program). Free, and very, very highly
recommended.

FYI, quoting from the above document:

"Note: The "Export registry" function in Regedit is USELESS (!) to make a
complete backup of the registry. Neither does it export the whole registry
(for example, no information from the "SECURITY" hive is saved), nor can the
exported file be used later to replace the current registry with the old
one. Instead, if you re-import the file, it is merged with the current
registry, leaving you with an absolute mess of old and new registry keys.

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In ,
Prabhat typed:
I don't know, But the people from Microsoft or MVPs should able to
reply this.

Thanks
Prabhat

"
wrote in message
...
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry
entries left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat


  #24  
Old October 18th 04, 08:19 PM
Richard Urban
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Posts: n/a
Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Consider this then!

I performed a clean install a month ago, just to test this theory.

Clean install. Added SP1 and all available Window Updates. Installed all my
programs (had a lot of time on my hands). Then I installed SP2.

I ran WinDoctor and eliminated about 600 bad entries in the registry. I
rebooted and emptied the recycle bin.

I then ran NTREGopt.exe ( from ERUNT). This optimized (compacted) the
registry. I obtained a 19% gain in the reduction of the registry size (about
8.5 meg smaller).

When I rebooted I was able to "CLOCK" - via a stop watch, a 23 second
reduction in bootup time to a usable desktop!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant registry
keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted Values in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone, unless

you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not

affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry

entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat









  #25  
Old October 18th 04, 08:48 PM
Ted Zieglar
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Which Registry Cleaner?

The six hundred registry entries that you eliminated didn't make your bootup
any faster. It took your system a fraction of a second to load those
registry entries into RAM; that's how much time you saved by eliminating
them.

Besides, how do you know that those 600 registry entries were "bad" --
because WinDoctor told you so? The great majority of 'errors' that WinDoctor
finds (missing icons, broken shortcuts, etc.) are laughable. Does it seem a
little suspicious to you that a clean install of Windows with nothing more
than Windows updates added yielded 600 "bad" registry keys?

Windows XP is continuously tuning itself in the background, establishing the
pre-fetch, performing partial defrags, reordering the driver load (the
'secret' behind the bootvis routine), etc.

Have you ever seen an article in a computer magazine that tested registry
cleaners with 'before and after' benchmarks that measured boot times and
overall system performance?
--
Ted Zieglar


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
Consider this then!

I performed a clean install a month ago, just to test this theory.

Clean install. Added SP1 and all available Window Updates. Installed all

my
programs (had a lot of time on my hands). Then I installed SP2.

I ran WinDoctor and eliminated about 600 bad entries in the registry. I
rebooted and emptied the recycle bin.

I then ran NTREGopt.exe ( from ERUNT). This optimized (compacted) the
registry. I obtained a 19% gain in the reduction of the registry size

(about
8.5 meg smaller).

When I rebooted I was able to "CLOCK" - via a stop watch, a 23 second
reduction in bootup time to a usable desktop!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant registry
keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that

should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted Values

in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone, unless

you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing

the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not
affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry

entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one

I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat











  #26  
Old October 18th 04, 09:47 PM
Richard Urban
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Posts: n/a
Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Told you I loaded ALL of my software, about 100 major programs and smaller
applets!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
The six hundred registry entries that you eliminated didn't make your
bootup
any faster. It took your system a fraction of a second to load those
registry entries into RAM; that's how much time you saved by eliminating
them.

Besides, how do you know that those 600 registry entries were "bad" --
because WinDoctor told you so? The great majority of 'errors' that
WinDoctor
finds (missing icons, broken shortcuts, etc.) are laughable. Does it seem
a
little suspicious to you that a clean install of Windows with nothing more
than Windows updates added yielded 600 "bad" registry keys?

Windows XP is continuously tuning itself in the background, establishing
the
pre-fetch, performing partial defrags, reordering the driver load (the
'secret' behind the bootvis routine), etc.

Have you ever seen an article in a computer magazine that tested registry
cleaners with 'before and after' benchmarks that measured boot times and
overall system performance?
--
Ted Zieglar


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
Consider this then!

I performed a clean install a month ago, just to test this theory.

Clean install. Added SP1 and all available Window Updates. Installed all

my
programs (had a lot of time on my hands). Then I installed SP2.

I ran WinDoctor and eliminated about 600 bad entries in the registry. I
rebooted and emptied the recycle bin.

I then ran NTREGopt.exe ( from ERUNT). This optimized (compacted) the
registry. I obtained a 19% gain in the reduction of the registry size

(about
8.5 meg smaller).

When I rebooted I was able to "CLOCK" - via a stop watch, a 23 second
reduction in bootup time to a usable desktop!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant registry
keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by
eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that

should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted Values

in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone,
unless
you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing

the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not
affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry
entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which
one

I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat













  #27  
Old October 18th 04, 09:48 PM
Richard Urban
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Which Registry Cleaner?

I just performed that benchmark, with a stop watch. I can't argue with the
results!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
The six hundred registry entries that you eliminated didn't make your
bootup
any faster. It took your system a fraction of a second to load those
registry entries into RAM; that's how much time you saved by eliminating
them.

Besides, how do you know that those 600 registry entries were "bad" --
because WinDoctor told you so? The great majority of 'errors' that
WinDoctor
finds (missing icons, broken shortcuts, etc.) are laughable. Does it seem
a
little suspicious to you that a clean install of Windows with nothing more
than Windows updates added yielded 600 "bad" registry keys?

Windows XP is continuously tuning itself in the background, establishing
the
pre-fetch, performing partial defrags, reordering the driver load (the
'secret' behind the bootvis routine), etc.

Have you ever seen an article in a computer magazine that tested registry
cleaners with 'before and after' benchmarks that measured boot times and
overall system performance?
--
Ted Zieglar


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
Consider this then!

I performed a clean install a month ago, just to test this theory.

Clean install. Added SP1 and all available Window Updates. Installed all

my
programs (had a lot of time on my hands). Then I installed SP2.

I ran WinDoctor and eliminated about 600 bad entries in the registry. I
rebooted and emptied the recycle bin.

I then ran NTREGopt.exe ( from ERUNT). This optimized (compacted) the
registry. I obtained a 19% gain in the reduction of the registry size

(about
8.5 meg smaller).

When I rebooted I was able to "CLOCK" - via a stop watch, a 23 second
reduction in bootup time to a usable desktop!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant registry
keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by
eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that

should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted Values

in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone,
unless
you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing

the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do not
affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry
entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which
one

I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat













  #28  
Old October 19th 04, 04:39 AM
Ted Zieglar
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Holly cow, Richard: What kind of software do you buy that causes 600
"errors" to appear in your registry? Maybe you ought to spend a little more
and get the good stuff. {;- {;-

Ted Zieglar

"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
Told you I loaded ALL of my software, about 100 major programs and smaller
applets!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
The six hundred registry entries that you eliminated didn't make your
bootup
any faster. It took your system a fraction of a second to load those
registry entries into RAM; that's how much time you saved by eliminating
them.

Besides, how do you know that those 600 registry entries were "bad" --
because WinDoctor told you so? The great majority of 'errors' that
WinDoctor
finds (missing icons, broken shortcuts, etc.) are laughable. Does it seem
a
little suspicious to you that a clean install of Windows with nothing
more
than Windows updates added yielded 600 "bad" registry keys?

Windows XP is continuously tuning itself in the background, establishing
the
pre-fetch, performing partial defrags, reordering the driver load (the
'secret' behind the bootvis routine), etc.

Have you ever seen an article in a computer magazine that tested registry
cleaners with 'before and after' benchmarks that measured boot times and
overall system performance?
--
Ted Zieglar


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
Consider this then!

I performed a clean install a month ago, just to test this theory.

Clean install. Added SP1 and all available Window Updates. Installed all

my
programs (had a lot of time on my hands). Then I installed SP2.

I ran WinDoctor and eliminated about 600 bad entries in the registry. I
rebooted and emptied the recycle bin.

I then ran NTREGopt.exe ( from ERUNT). This optimized (compacted) the
registry. I obtained a 19% gain in the reduction of the registry size

(about
8.5 meg smaller).

When I rebooted I was able to "CLOCK" - via a stop watch, a 23 second
reduction in bootup time to a usable desktop!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Do you really think so?

Consider this:

How many megabytes of memory does, say, one thousand redundant
registry
keys
occupy? How much RAM do you have installed? How fast is your hardware?

You accomplish nothing measurable (let alone perceptable) by
eliminating
those thousand registry keys, but you risk crippling your system with
a
so-called registry cleaner toy.

If you're interested in speeding up your system in a way that you can
actually notice, and you're already diligent about maintaining your
computer, buy more RAM, a faster hard disk or a faster video card.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ted,

Doeas Registry Gets Load while the Windows Load? If yes Then that

should
affect the System Performance if the Size grows due to Unwanted
Values

in
it.

Thanks
Prabhat

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Wesley is correct, of course.

The proper way to deal with the registry is to leave it alone,
unless
you
need to fix a specific problem that can only be repaired by editing

the
registry.

Redundant registry entries cause no harm to your computer and do
not
affect
its performance.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
No. XP does not do this.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,


hunted and pecked:
Do I understand correctly, that XP removes redundant registry
entries
left behind when programmes are un-installed.

"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which
one

I
should Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat














  #29  
Old October 19th 04, 07:27 AM
Edward W. Thompson
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

A note with regards to restoring the registry with ERUNT when the partitions
are formatted and you are unable to start WINXP.

You can restore the Registry to NTFS drives from DOS using ERUNT if you load
NTFSDOSPro. THe program NTFSDOSPRO will allow you to read and write to NTFS
volumes from DOS. However NTFSDOSPro remaps the partitions and the
partition where the Registry hives resides (normally C:/windows) is likely
to be remapped to another letter. In my case NTFSDOSPRO remaps C: to F:.
To overcome this and restore the Registry using ERUNT you need to open
ERDNT.ini in the file set to be restored and change all references to C: to
the drive letter assigned by NTFSDOSPro before running ERDNT.exe.

"Jim Byrd" wrote in message
...

snip

Lastly, if you must screw around with your Registry, then at least get
Erunt/Erdnt, and run it before you do the Reg clean. You'll then have a
true restore available to you. Read below to see why you might not just
using the Reg cleaner's resto

Get Erunt here for all NT-based computers including XP:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...runt/index.htm I've set it up
to
take a scheduled backup each night at 12:01AM on a weekly round-robin
basis,
and a Monthly on the 1st of each month. See here for how to set that up:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...runt/erunt.txt, and for some
useful information about this subject.

This program is one of the best things around - saved my butt on many
occasions, and will also run very nicely from a DOS prompt (in case you've
done something that won't let you boot any more and need to revert to a
previous Registry) IF you're FAT32 OR have a DOS startup disk with NTFS
write drivers in an NTFS system. (There is also a way using the Recovery
Console to get back to being "bootable" even without separate DOS write
NTFS
drivers, after which you can do a "normal" Erdnt restore.) (BTW, it also
includes a Registry defragger program). Free, and very, very highly
recommended.

FYI, quoting from the above document:

"Note: The "Export registry" function in Regedit is USELESS (!) to make a
complete backup of the registry. Neither does it export the whole registry
(for example, no information from the "SECURITY" hive is saved), nor can
the
exported file be used later to replace the current registry with the old
one. Instead, if you re-import the file, it is merged with the current
registry, leaving you with an absolute mess of old and new registry keys.

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP

snip


  #30  
Old October 19th 04, 02:25 PM
Ted Zieglar
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

You are correct insofar as the registry can be thought of as a database, but
you can't compare it with a third party database program (like Microsoft
Access, for example). Compaction of the registry is performed in the
background by Windows. However, there are always those who think they can do
measurably better with a registry cleaner/optimizer. And why not - that's
what the advertising says.

As an aside (and this is not directed at you): I am always amused at
people's attempts to add insignificant performance improvements through the
use of exotic tools when there is so much more performance to be gained by
learning how to use their computer's to best advantage.
--
Ted Zieglar


"Bill Cotter" wrote in message
g.com...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:40:05 GMT, in article
, "R. McCarty"
wrote:

Most recent Applications will remove their Registry content when they
are uninstalled. Usually, you can check in HKLM\Software and see if
the uninstall left behind a Key Heading (Listed by Company name).
It varies from vendor to vendor. Some Uninstallers do an excellent job
of removal, and some leave pieces behind. Along with Registry keys
some uninstalls will leave the Program Files folder with customization
settings or values to retain if the program is re-installed at a later

date.

The registry is a database however, and my understanding of databases is

that,
without compaction from time to time, they never become smaller, only

larger.
So, even if program vendors do an *excellent* job of removing useless keys

(a
huge 'if' IMHO), over time combined with many program installs and

uninstalls,
the registry is going to end up with a lot of "air pockets" in it. Can

anyone
address the implications of this on system performance and/or reliability?



 




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