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............with checking my machine. I don't care whether I get W10,
but will the point come when W7 is unusable?
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painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

En el artículo , Martin Edwards
escribió:

I don't care whether I get W10,

Good, it's crap.

but will the point come when W7 is unusable?

Support ends in 2025, so you needn't worry for a while yet.

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On 10/08/15 08:28, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Martin Edwards
escribió:

I don't care whether I get W10,

Good, it's crap.

but will the point come when W7 is unusable?

Support ends in 2025, so you needn't worry for a while yet.

According to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/lifecycle it's
14 January 2020.

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Jeff

Mike Tomlinson wrote on 08/10/2015 3:28 AM:
En el artÃ*culo , Martin Edwards
escribió:

I don't care whether I get W10,

Good, it's crap.

but will the point come when W7 is unusable?

Support ends in 2025, so you needn't worry for a while yet.


A few years off...W7 support ends in about 4.33 yrs.

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...winston
msft mvp windows experience

En el artículo , . . .winston
escribió:

A few years off...W7 support ends in about 4.33 yrs.

Knew I should have checked. Thanks for the correction, guys.

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End of support can change and is not necessarily
a problem. The most immediate limitation is the machine.
If you have an OEM machine (one that came with
Windows pre-installed) then your Win7 license is only
good for as long as that machine survives. If you have
a full version install disk you can have Win7 for as long
as you can buy hardware that supports it.

So you could very well lose Win7 next week or
in 15 years. That is, a short circuit might blow out
your OEM machine next week, or, if you have a
full version install disk, you might still be able to buy
compatible motherboards many years from now.

A separate issue is software. Nearly all software
currently still supports WinXP, 14 years after its
release and well after the end of official support,
but that's because XP is still so widely used.
Official support was extended at least once. It
would be hard to predict the staying power of
Win7. If MS ends support, even with a large
install base still existing, some software companies
will end support. In the case of XP now, the lastest
Creative Suite from Adobe doesn't support XP, and
while Firefox still does, Pale Moon ended support.
Right now they couldn't end support even if they
wanted to because businesses have widely avoided
Win8+. But that could change. Who knows? In 5
years businesses might be all switching to Linux
while Windows becomes the device you use to get
movies onto your TV.

I just installed the latest Libre Office (5) on XP
and have no problems with any software I want to
use, but anyone using XP has to assume there will
be eventual limitations.

Also related to software are OS differences. For
instance, underneath, XP (NT5) and NT6 (Vista/7+)
are not terribly different, so it's usually not so hard
to support both. But Metro apps are a whole new
thing. If they were somehow to become popular you
could end up with a perfectly good Win7, maybe
even with support from MS, and yet it's possible that
you wouldn't be able to run the software you want.
Say, for instance, you get a Win10 tablet and get used
to games, media, whatever running as Metro apps. If
it turned out that most of what you were doing was
in Metro then you wouldn't be able to use Win7 for
very much.

On 08/10/2015 02:28 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Martin Edwards
escribió:

I don't care whether I get W10,

Good, it's crap.

but will the point come when W7 is unusable?

Support ends in 2025, so you needn't worry for a while yet.


And non-MS software will probably support it for a few more years.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves.
Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child." [Robert
Heinlein, "Notebooks of Lazarus Long"]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:35:40 +0100, Martin Edwards
wrote:

...........with checking my machine. I don't care whether I get W10,
but will the point come when W7 is unusable?



That depends on what you mean by "unusable."

The point will come when Windows 7, no longer gets security updates,
and it becomes very dangerous to use.

The point will come when Windows 7 will not support newer hardware
being released.

The point will come when Windows 7 will no longer support newer
software released.

The point will come when it's been a long time since anyone has used
Windows 7, and it will be difficult to get support if you need it.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:29:31 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:35:40 +0100, Martin Edwards
wrote:

...........with checking my machine. I don't care whether I get W10,
but will the point come when W7 is unusable?



That depends on what you mean by "unusable."

The point will come when Windows 7, no longer gets security updates,
and it becomes very dangerous to use.

The point will come when Windows 7 will not support newer hardware being
released.

The point will come when Windows 7 will no longer support newer software
released.

The point will come when it's been a long time since anyone has used
Windows 7, and it will be difficult to get support if you need it.

A lot of people are still using winxp. There may come a point when
replacing certain hardware could be a problem, but at that point a newer
machine might be considered. Better yet use Linux and not worry about
this nonsense.

Martin Edwards wrote:

...........with checking my machine. I don't care whether I get W10,
but will the point come when W7 is unusable?

Still usable. What does that mean? Even old MS/IBM-DOS, CPM, Windows
386 and 9x are still usable. Some point-of-sale registers still use
Windows 98. Windows XP users are still using it.

Dropping support or even abandoning a program does not stop it from
being usable. I still use Sam Spade not been updated since 2006 and it
still works; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Spade_(software).
Dialog 40tude, has been dead since its author abandoned it back in 2005
but it still works (look at the headers of my post) and is my choice of
NNTP client to participate in Usenet.

So how do you define "usable"?

Dave Cohen wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:29:31 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:35:40 +0100, Martin Edwards
wrote:

...........with checking my machine. I don't care whether I get W10,
but will the point come when W7 is unusable?


That depends on what you mean by "unusable."

The point will come when Windows 7, no longer gets security updates,
and it becomes very dangerous to use.

The point will come when Windows 7 will not support newer hardware being
released.

The point will come when Windows 7 will no longer support newer software
released.

The point will come when it's been a long time since anyone has used
Windows 7, and it will be difficult to get support if you need it.

A lot of people are still using winxp. There may come a point when
replacing certain hardware could be a problem, but at that point a newer
machine might be considered. Better yet use Linux and not worry about
this nonsense.

Yes, you would have "new nonsense" to worry about.

Sorry, could not resist.

*******

There are no superior OSes. Merely piles of crap
software, held together with duct tape, and piles
of web pages explaining how to fix them.

And yes, I have a *pile* of Linux CDs and DVDs here.
I'm watching you... :-)

Lets take an example. I install Gentoo, using the
Gentoo recipe book. I go to boot into the OS
for the first time. I have *no working network*.
Why did that happen. Even though Gentoo makes
systemd optional, the NIC happened to use
systemd naming convention. And the OS could not
find it. Imagine how much of my time was wasted
with the "new nonsense", fixing that, when I
can't "dial out" of my new OS to get help.

So it's really just "new and different nonsense".
The average time to fix a Linux problem properly,
is eight hours (my estimate). With many web
pages containing incorrect or out-of-date
information.

For the Gentoo problem, I had to figure out
what went wrong myself. I didn't even know that
systemd, had decided to take onto itself
renaming of peripherals. And since Gentoo
is a rolling release, there isn't always
documentation for the non-cognoscenti.

Paul

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:33:30 +0000 (UTC), Dave Cohen
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:29:31 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:35:40 +0100, Martin Edwards
wrote:

...........with checking my machine. I don't care whether I get W10,
but will the point come when W7 is unusable?



That depends on what you mean by "unusable."

The point will come when Windows 7, no longer gets security updates,
and it becomes very dangerous to use.

The point will come when Windows 7 will not support newer hardware being
released.

The point will come when Windows 7 will no longer support newer software
released.

The point will come when it's been a long time since anyone has used
Windows 7, and it will be difficult to get support if you need it.

A lot of people are still using winxp.


That's fine. I'm not telling anyone not to do so. I was responding to
the question "will the point come when W7 is unusable?"


There may come a point when
replacing certain hardware could be a problem, but at that point a newer
machine might be considered.


Could be.


Better yet use Linux and not worry about
this nonsense.


If you prefer Linux to Windows, that's fine. No matter how much I
disagree with you, what operating system you use is your choice. But
your comment is *way* off-topic for this thread, and for anything in
this newsgroup.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 08/10/2015 12:29 PM:

The point will come when it's been a long time since anyone has used
Windows 7, and it will be difficult to get support if you need it.


I hate when that happens.

Someone recently asked me a question about Windows 98SE. I told them I
formatted my memory for Win98 about 10 yrs ago.


--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:47:09 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 08/10/2015 12:29 PM:

The point will come when it's been a long time since anyone has used
Windows 7, and it will be difficult to get support if you need it.


I hate when that happens.

Someone recently asked me a question about Windows 98SE. I told them I
formatted my memory for Win98 about 10 yrs ago.


LOL! Same here, although I've never said it quite that way.

On 10/08/2015 08:28, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Martin Edwards
escribió:

I don't care whether I get W10,

Good, it's crap.

but will the point come when W7 is unusable?

Support ends in 2025, so you needn't worry for a while yet.

Thanks.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman