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A friend asked me to come over last weekend to fix his wife's computer.
This is not the first time she screwed that thing up. Let me put it nicely, but honestly. The woman has a few screws loose in her brain. I'm not just saying this, because she is under treatment for mental illness. Anyhow, she has a computer with XP, which she only uses to play the 4 or 5 games that come with XP. That's all she uses it for. But whne it breaks, she goes into the bios, gets into the system, and even takes parts out of the computer. The last time it broke, she went bonkers, and he asked me to fix it to calm her down because she was pacing the floor and bitching, and threatening to throw the computer thru a window. That time there was a legitimate problem, the cpu cooler fan died and was causing it to overheat and shut down. I replaced the fan and it worked again. This time I go to look at it and all that appears on the screen is text that says himem.sys is missing, and several other dos-like messages complaining about missing memory. Windows does not load. When I type DIR, all I see is command.com. That's all that it shows is on the hard drive. I'm thinking that somehow she deleted everything except that one file. I ask her is she removed or unplugged anything, she says no. I ask if she did anything in the settings, she says no, and says all she did was turn off the computer. I go into the Bios and discover that the settings show no installed hard drives. I reset them to "Auto" and reboot the computer. It boots up, XP loads, and everything is fine except that she has a bright red screen with red text, so nothing can be read. I change the display to the standard default XP settings and everything works fine again. Well, obviously she was screwing with the thing to make the screen unreadable, not to mention she has the START button text-font so large it's chewing up 10% of the screen. Anyhow, my question is this: If the harddrive was not being accessed, due to improper bios settings, how the heck did it show a DIR of C:\command.com (and nothing more). How was it reading the hard drive at all? By the way, I considered the system battery to have failed, but she insisted she replaced it "around christmas". I should also mention that this Dell computer is a Pentium 4, dual core, with 4 gigs of Ram. All that power, just to play the games that comes with XP. Yet, the computer runs slower than a turtle. My own 1000mhz Pentium 3 with 500megs Ram, running Windows 98se and Win2000 (dual boot), runs 50 times faster, and it's loaded with programs. Why her computer runs so horribly slow is beyond me, but I was not going to mess with it. As long as she can play her games, she's happy. From what I saw in the bios, things appear to be set normally, and while I was there I disabled the password requirement that she had set and did not need or want. Just for grins, to show how goofy this woman is, she asked me to install another game. I told her to give me the CD with the game. She said she dont have one. So I ask if she has it on a flash stick, or floppy.... NOPE. So I say "how can I install it if you dont have it?" She replies, "cant you just make it?"...... DUH !!!!! (And she insists there is no way to get internet, not even dialup, because her satellite tv company told her its not available).... |
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On 04/16/2012 04:34 PM, BillW50 wrote:
arive... the only thing I can think of is that this computer has a ROM. Lots of computers did this years ago (but not IBM-PC clones), like IBM-PC, Apple, Commodore, etc. The IBM-PC case, if it couldn't find a floppy or a hard drive, it would boot Basic from a separate ROM on the motherboard. But this was the 80's and by the 90's those ROM based OS sort of disappeared. IBM like machines (x86) all use BIOS (so does CP/M btw). This makes a common OS to run on many different kinds of computer configurations much easier (which is just like a ROM, but today is flashable). And a BIOS is like a mini OS. And it is indeed possible to include a mini DOS in with a BIOS (although I never saw one like this). And if the BIOS can't find a drive to boot from, then instead boot a DOS found in the BIOS instead. And I would be curious what drive letter that Command.com was found under? And I would have typed a VER command to see what kind of DOS and version it was. Don't think I saw anything newer than an 8088 boot to ROM BASIC |
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The last time it broke, she went bonkers, and he asked me to fix it to calm her down because she was pacing the floor and bitching, and threatening to throw the computer thru a window. That time there was a legitimate problem, the cpu cooler fan died and was causing it to overheat and shut down. I replaced the fan and it worked again... I should also mention that this Dell computer is a Pentium 4, dual core, with 4 gigs of Ram. All that power, just to play the games that comes with XP. Yet, the computer runs slower than a turtle. My own 1000mhz Pentium 3 with 500megs Ram, running Windows 98se and Win2000 (dual boot), runs 50 times faster, and it's loaded with programs. Why her computer runs so horribly slow is beyond me, but I was not going to mess with it. OK, you replaced the fan, and now the system runs slow. Since it's a P4 era dual core, it's likely overheating and thermally throttling. (Throttling happens at a temperature of 20C below the shutdown point.) You should use Speedfan (almico.com) to measure temps, and check you did a good job of repairing the cooling. http://www.almico.com/speedfan446.exe Dells like to use a single cooling solution, a large fan that pulls cooling air through the CPU cooler (cooler has a heatpipe or two). The air movement is also intended to cool the chassis. So one fan does all the cooling. The fan typically has a very high rating, like somewhere around 110CFM or above. Normally, the fan is not run at full voltage, and the motherboard has some control over the fan speed. The fan connector could have four or five pins. It could even be a PWM type, rather than one using simple voltage control (i.e. 12V fan running at 7V). Exact replacements, using the fan part number, can sometimes be located on the web. If you swapped out that fan, chances are you didn't use a factory part. You may have even defeated the automatic thermal control with your changeout. Check with Speedfan and see whether you're in the right temperature ballpark. Throttling on those computers might start at around Tcase of 70C or so. So they need attention to cooling, to work properly. You can use RMClock, to check the throttle bit. This article, shows an Intel processor cooling itself off by using throttling, which results in reduced performance. http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/cpu/in...res-core2.html RMClock 2.35 can be downloaded from here. http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml Paul |
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philo wrote: On 04/16/2012 04:34 PM, BillW50 wrote: arive... the only thing I can think of is that this computer has a ROM. Lots of computers did this years ago (but not IBM-PC clones), like IBM-PC, Apple, Commodore, etc. The IBM-PC case, if it couldn't find a floppy or a hard drive, it would boot Basic from a separate ROM on the motherboard. But this was the 80's and by the 90's those ROM based OS sort of disappeared. IBM like machines (x86) all use BIOS (so does CP/M btw). This makes a common OS to run on many different kinds of computer configurations much easier (which is just like a ROM, but today is flashable). And a BIOS is like a mini OS. And it is indeed possible to include a mini DOS in with a BIOS (although I never saw one like this). And if the BIOS can't find a drive to boot from, then instead boot a DOS found in the BIOS instead. And I would be curious what drive letter that Command.com was found under? And I would have typed a VER command to see what kind of DOS and version it was. Don't think I saw anything newer than an 8088 boot to ROM BASIC You could be right, but I think a IBM 286 still booted to Basic. There is something that some BIOS boot too that I don't recall. Like if you remove the SSD from an Asus EeePC 702 something else pops up. I Googled it and it appears it happens on a lot of machines. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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A friend asked me to come over last weekend to fix his wife's computer. This is not the first time she screwed that thing up. Let me put it nicely, but honestly. The woman has a few screws loose in her brain. I'm not just saying this, because she is under treatment for mental illness. Anyhow, she has a computer with XP, which she only uses to play the 4 or 5 games that come with XP. That's all she uses it for. But whne it breaks, she goes into the bios, gets into the system, and even takes parts out of the computer. The last time it broke, she went bonkers, and he asked me to fix it to calm her down because she was pacing the floor and bitching, and threatening to throw the computer thru a window. That time there was a legitimate problem, the cpu cooler fan died and was causing it to overheat and shut down. I replaced the fan and it worked again. This time I go to look at it and all that appears on the screen is text that says himem.sys is missing, and several other dos-like messages complaining about missing memory. Windows does not load. When I type DIR, all I see is command.com. That's all that it shows is on the hard drive. I'm thinking that somehow she deleted everything except that one file. I ask her is she removed or unplugged anything, she says no. I ask if she did anything in the settings, she says no, and says all she did was turn off the computer. I go into the Bios and discover that the settings show no installed hard drives. I reset them to "Auto" and reboot the computer. It boots up, XP loads, and everything is fine except that she has a bright red screen with red text, so nothing can be read. I change the display to the standard default XP settings and everything works fine again. Well, obviously she was screwing with the thing to make the screen unreadable, not to mention she has the START button text-font so large it's chewing up 10% of the screen. Anyhow, my question is this: If the harddrive was not being accessed, due to improper bios settings, how the heck did it show a DIR of C:\command.com (and nothing more). How was it reading the hard drive at all? Because the XP Was set up on a Fat32, She have a boot for a Fat32, and she put it out, so you would not Know, that she was trying to make it work.. before you walk in on to home, and you saw a running PC with C:\command.com showing.. For XP being on a Fat32, with a improper bios settings, Will Show C:\ with a Error message..... By the way, I considered the system battery to have failed, but she insisted she replaced it "around christmas". I should also mention that this Dell computer is a Pentium 4, dual core, with 4 gigs of Ram. All that power, just to play the games that comes with XP. Yet, the computer runs slower than a turtle. My own 1000mhz Pentium 3 with 500megs Ram, running Windows 98se and Win2000 (dual boot), runs 50 times faster, and it's loaded with programs. Why her computer runs so horribly slow is beyond me, but I was not going to mess with it. As long as she can play her games, she's happy. From what I saw in the bios, things appear to be set normally, and while I was there I disabled the password requirement that she had set and did not need or want. Old Spyware from the pass..... Just for grins, to show how goofy this woman is, she asked me to install another game. I told her to give me the CD with the game. She said she dont have one. So I ask if she has it on a flash stick, or floppy.... NOPE. So I say "how can I install it if you dont have it?" She replies, "cant you just make it?"...... DUH !!!!! (And she insists there is no way to get internet, not even dialup, because her satellite tv company told her its not available).... -- This post contains IPA phonetic symbols in Unicode. Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks, boxes, or other symbols instead of Unicode characters. User-agent: * Disallow: / |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:05:09 -0500, philo wrote:
All I can think of is ...was there a win98 floppy in the machine??? NO, nothing in the floppy drive and no CD in the CD drive. |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:34:52 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:
And I would be curious what drive letter that Command.com was found under? And I would have typed a VER command to see what kind of DOS and version it was. I said in my original post, C:\command.com I'm now wondering if that drive is setup for NTFS, with the drive not being installed properly, was it reading it as a FAT32 drive? I never did look to see if it's NTFS, but since XP tends to install to NTFS, I'd bet it is. I know she said some out of state relative, intalled the software and setup the computer for her, when he was visiting some years ago. I never thought of this till now, and I *never* use NTFS myself, nor have I ever really screwed with it much. But I now bet the computer was reading that hard drive as a Fat32 partition???? Just a guess, since I dont really know how the bios reads a NTFS format, V/S Fat32. |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:11:30 -0400, Paul wrote:
If you swapped out that fan, chances are you didn't use a factory part. You may have even defeated the automatic thermal control with your changeout. Check with Speedfan and see whether you're in the right temperature ballpark. I used the EXACT factory replacement. Bought it on Ebay, from a guy who was parting out an identical computer. The fan does vary in speed, when it starts that fan runs real fast for a few seconds. Yea, there is a air scoop from the fan to the CPU to cool it. When the fan died. the computer would boot up and shut right off. That CPU was hot enough to fry an egg on it. Knowing the fan was dead, to test to see if the computer would stay running, I put a window fan where the dead internal fan was located and that kept it cool and it continued to operate. I do wonder if that CPU was damaged by the excessive heat, which now causes it to run slow. I'm just glad it's not mine. I'll stick with my older P3 computer which performs much better than that piece of ****. Of course it's a Dell, and I have never thought much of Dell anyhow. |
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